Eating too little, eating too much?

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #62

So losing fat isn’t enough? The scale number has to go down, too? If you really want to lose weight, and not just fat, there are ways of shedding muscle and bone.

(The crazy German guy) #63

So which of these has gone up while my fat went down, for my scale to show zero progress?

I know what you’re trying to say, but look, I’m massively overweight and carry at least 40kg of fat. There should be progress on the scale too, eventually

#64

A pound of muscle weighs the same as a pound of fat. If you gain ten pounds of muscle but lose ten pounds of fat, your scale will stay the same but your clothes will become much looser, because muscle is more dense than fat, which is the important thing.

(The crazy German guy) #65

I’m sure I didn’t gain any muscle in the last 2 weeks :wink:

(Running from stupidity) #66

Water retention is a massive variable.

Also, you simply can’t just demand weight loss, bodies don’t do that.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #67

Be sure to eat enough food, also. Even in the absence of insulin (from eating low-carb/keto), the body will still not shed excess fat if it thinks there is a famine going on. Be sure not to deliberately short yourself on calories.

Your appetite should be your guide. If you are hungry, eat. When you stop being hungry, stop eating. Don’t eat again until you are hungry again. Trust your body. You may eat quite a bit at the beginning, but in the absence of insulin, the leptin signal from your fat tissue to your brain will become “audible” to the brain again, and you will likely notice a distinct drop in appetite as that happens.

(The crazy German guy) #68

Hi,

versus 9 days ago, i lost around 500g. Sometimes 152,9 or 152,8kg, sometimes 153,8kg
I like apple health’s approach to express weight as averages.
w/c 14th of Jan: 154,09kg
w/c 21st of Jan: 154,02kg
w/c 28th of Jan: 153,48kg
w/c 4th of Feb: 153,2kg

there are more results on my waist.
26th of Jan: 151,5cm , body fat 44,21%
30th of Jan: 149,5cm, body fat 43,49%
3rd of Feb: 147,5cm, body fat 43,49%
8th of Feb: 145,5cm, body fat 43,13%

For the results that i get on my waist, i feel the weight loss is quite slow. What do you guys think?

#69

Well it’s all going in the right direction, good to see averages not moment by moment readings, so it seems all is well.

Everyone loses at different rates, some faster some slower. If you pinch yourself you can feel the difference right? I mean 6cm seems good to me.

Not sure if you are exercising? (Sorry I can’t remember who’s doing what…)

(The crazy German guy) #70

Occasional exercise. I would say “no exercise” is the most realistic answer to that question.

#71

Yes I know what you mean, I’m the same.

There is plenty of evidence which says keto+exercise yields great and faster fat loss. I know that notion upsets some people but it is there as an option.

Ted Naimen has some great vids on keto+exercise. And the type of exercise (muscles pushed until they just can’t do one dot more…)

I’m in no hurry, for now I’m happy to admire the information.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #72

Whenever I get the urge to exercise, I just lie down until it passes . . . :rofl:

(The crazy German guy) #73

By the way, had my blood tests done and all of my results are extremely positive.

(The crazy German guy) #74

My waist is down another 2 cm to 143,5, while my weight is following slowly at around 152,5 to 152,9.
I get it now, that it is a game of averages with the weight. If i look at it this way, my weight constantly goes down. Yet, slower than i expected or anticipated.
The loss on my waist however is staggering. I now needed to punch a few extra holes in my typical belts - crazy motivating.

#75

I know this is an elderly topic but I came to the forums to ask a related question to this reply. If we eat to hunger, then why do I seldom want to eat anything on Keto? I’ve been on it again for 8 days and it’s a struggle to make myself eat anything! Even the thought, sight and smell of food makes me feel somewhat nauseous. That can’t be healthy? I’m 80 pounds overweight so I don’t think I will starve so should I give in and call it Intermittent Fasting until I feel like eating again??

#76

Eating when hungry and to satiety doesn’t work for everyone on every style of keto… I can easily overeat or undereat on keto (probably not longer term, though), I just need to choose different food or have a different recent past diet wise and there may be so many other factors for other people (stress, weather, sleep). And it’s probably normal that sometimes our body want a ton of food and sometimes it wants nothing or very little. I experienced great differences in my last decades on low-carb. I hope my body knows what it wants but I usually track on keto so if I see extreme numbers for a while, I try to change something. But my body usually tells me to eat eventually.

Nausea from food sounds good, maybe you have some special reason for it, some problem? Or your body got shocked a bit, mine does it after a drastic change sometimes but it gets sorted out soon.

One eats properly on IF too, just in a smallish eating window (usually. multiple things are called IF, even 5:2, I don’t know why). You get much energy from your own bodyfat if needed but you need your other nutrients, protein, vitamins… Have those, I wouldn’t worry about some lower-cal days myself in this situation but I wouldn’t do it for long, it’s not good for metabolism. (I personally like to have a higher-cal day now and then but it’s normal for me anyway. It probably helps to avoid my body thinking it’s a famine even when I really can’t eat a proper amount for a while).

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #77

It may depend on what you mean by “seldom.” A lot of people find themselves quite naturally eating no more than once or twice a day on a ketogenic diet, whereas most people on a high-carbohydrate diet find themselves eating every couple of hours.

I find that my appetite varies from day to day. Some days I am really hungry, whereas others I just don’t want food. In fact, if I have eaten enough, the thought of food can actually make me queasy. I have learned that the queasiness is just part of how my body signals that it is not necessary to eat. At those points I have plenty of room in my stomach for more food, and the sight of food can stimulate my appetite, but if I listen to the lack of appetite and disregard my sugar cravings, I can go for quite some time before I really desire to eat again.

If you really don’t want to eat, then try not eating. See what happens. You may naturally find yourself fasting for some period of time. At some point, your body will get hungry again. It’s not going to let you starve.

#78

Thanks for your detailed response. When I mean seldom I mean I would rather not eat for maybe a couple of days in a row. Food doesn’t appeal, and just thinking about eating it makes me queasy.

I don’t really experience hunger, I just eat something after these long stretches because my elderly mother, whom I’m caregiver for frets herself into not sleeping if I don’t eat for several mealtimes. I eat keto food, but small amounts and again completely lose desire for food again.

I’m worried I’m wrecking my metabolism because I’m definitely not eating to my calculated macros and basic calorie level.