Dr. Shawn Baker on MindPump Podcast - Interviewed by Skeptics

(Chris) #1

I haven’t had a chance to finish listening yet, it’s 2 hours long. But I did catch their last episode where they expressed concerns. I have a feeling dis gon b gud.

#2

Good share. Listening now.

#3

This was great, thank you. I don’t have any complications on low carb keto (I feel great), but I’m tempted to try full carnivore for a few weeks. The zero carb movement has nudged me to eat fewer plants. But I’ll be honest: I love veggies. But who knows, maybe I’d enjoy steak with a side of steak even better. :slight_smile:

(Bunny) #4

Just a quick comment:

If I were going to do this, I would incorporate more organ meats not just lean meats. Could get dangerous eating lean meats all the time (if toxins are not being cleared fast enough?). This type of diet looks really hard on the digestive system and liver long-term but you never know what is possible either?

(Chris) #5

Lean meat has no place in a carnivore diet. Most keto’ers are already running very low carb. I think I had days that ended up being carnivore without trying.

I’m close to 3 months carnivore now. It’s amazing IMO. Optimum nutrition. Becoming the apex predator. I can see myself eating in season berries. I think there is a good argument that not only did humans eat berries, but the plant itself intends on its fruit being eaten for species survival.

(Chris) #6

That’s just silly. Lean meat is perfectly fine if that’s what one craves. Much of the time a leaner meat can go with a fattier meat.

#7

why would it be “hard” on the digestive system and liver, exactly?

we evolved to eat meat. why would eating it hurt us?

#8

of course human ate berries. humans ate whatever the could whenever they could. its not exactly theoretical.

(Chris) #9

I suppose my mistake is dealing in absolutes with that statement. “You May find it very tough to sustain this way of eating on predominantly lean meats”

(Chris) #10

When hunting was poor

(Bunny) #11

That’s what most ketonauts die of (post mortem autopsy results indicate environmental toxins in meats and chain reactions rooted\stemming from this i.e. mortality rates)!

Glysine (detoxifies the liver) in bone broth could possibly clear the liver out though (what our fellow post mortem subjects probably did not do?) in place veggies?

Then again I could be wrong?

Reason for organ meats is they have every vitamin on the planet in them!

(Chris) #12

Glycine is in meat.

(Bunny) #13

Bone & cartilage!

(Chris) #14

Very true, but something else to consider along with that is that we know the RDAs for a lot of vitamins are complete bull (see, vitamin C). So when switching to a full ZC diet, what are the ACTUAL RDAs for each vitamin? How much liver does a person need if you don’t know what the real RDA should be?

And muscle meat, fat, eggs, and dairy too.

(Bunny) #15

Not sure what the % (needed) of glysine in other animal sources is though and how much is needed?

RDA’s (vitamins, trace minerals and elements) can be tricky when it comes to fat and water solubility and rate of excretion!

(Chris) #16

And also confusing is that many of them compete with glucose for uptake, which is why drinking orange juice for vitamin C is a complete waste of time!

(Bunny) #17

More higher concentrated sources of vitamin C in other sources like vegetables (e.g peppers) and organ meats {offal} besides fruit!

(Chris) #18

However, what’s the RDA for vitamin C? What do we use it for?

Most think it’s purely to prevent/treat scurvy. How it does that is by stimulating collagen synthesis in the body.

The reason zero carbers don’t need any vitamin C at all and yet don’t get any scurvy is most likely due to the fact that the diet contains so much incidental collagen.

(Bunny) #19

I always wondered if eating more organ meats and completely cutting out or reducing the lean meats would have a more beneficial effect? Just one of those little things that we really don’t pay attention too? But it would be interesting to see If it would be more beneficial in some way? Would love to see some research done on this!

…so curious about this!

#20

Do you have any links to studies showing that ‘ketonauts’ die of this?

I would be interested to read them. Thanks!