Dr Berg or Dr Berry?

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#121

I meant more about his influence over others than he himself not administering vaccination shots. I got into it on FB once with someone who said she loved Dr. Berg even more because he’s an anti-vaxxer. Like, his words have affects on people, this woman will probably go on to not vaccinate her kids.

(Bird) #122

Yikes!!!

(Allie) #123

That’s the only reason I did it, well the lack of advertising is great too, and you can download videos, and there’s a special music player, and YouTube originals (which all look awful but you never know)… I used to just leave my phone in my back pocket and listen on my headphones but that eats the battery and falsely increases the reported screen time which I’m trying to minimise.

(Carl Keller) #124

Awful confirmed. I watched a few free episodes of the New Karate Kid. It felt like it was scripted and produced by a 12th grader with really good video equipment. Maybe this and some of the other content does well with younger viewers, but I think I will pass.

(Ben ) #125

Just like doctors, there are some good chiropractors and some not so good. I go to one at least twice a year. The issues are in my bones not my head. They really have helped me.

(Allie) #126

I see my chiropractor every two months and have more faith in what he says to me than I would have with any doctor I saw (actually avoid doctors as I have no faith in them). We have some deep and insightful conversations about all sorts of things, but the only advice he gives me relates to physical movement and structure.

(Running from stupidity) #127

:+1:

I’ve been to a chiro as well, for my neck, and it was good. As long as they stay in their wheelhouse, no problems.

OTOH, just to confound things, one of the few keto podcasts I listen to is by Anthony Gustin, who is not only a chiro but also sells keto products. Two strikes, and it’s still about the best podcast in the space (Bret Scherr’s is likewise excellent).

(Allie) #128

I listen to this one too, he knows his stuff and the advertising isn’t anywhere near as intrusive as most other podcasts so it’s easy to ignore it.

Can you tell I detest advertising? :joy:

(Running from stupidity) #129

Me too, and I used to be a journo for a major network TV station! :slight_smile:

(Empress of the Unexpected) #130

That’s the key point. My neighbor’s son is a chiropractor, and he is selling her all sorts of supplements to correct what I consider a serious condition (constant dizziness). Her husband as well has accepted the chiro’s diagnosis of adrenal fatigue, and is taking supplements. (The son lives out of state and is diagnosing over the phone). I’ve never been to a chiro, never felt the need, but yes, I’ve heard the good ones can provide real relief. I would go to a chiropractor if I had muscular issues, rather than have a doctor prescribe muscle relaxants, etc.

(Carolyn aka stokies) #131

That is why I normally just listen to his posts. He has a lot of pertinent information and he is actually well-versed in the science given his healthcare background. I was put off at first too, but the more you listen (not watch) I gained new respect for what he is doing. If you get to listen to his story of how he found keto, he was once 280+ pounds and very far from being a fitness model. It’s kind of an endearing story. He has 2 channels and his shirt tends to be on more nowadays since becoming a dad lol… but I feel ya…

(Allie) #132

I agree he has done very well and I can understand and agree with him being proud of what he’s achieved, but I also just listen rather than watch as I’ve not interest in seeing him in that way.

#133

Exactly. A chiropractor helped me tremendously when I injured myself falling off of my horse.

Also, while chiropractors are not MDs, they are awarded with a doctorate. They have no less right to call themselves doctors than PhDs. Like physicians, some are better than others. YMMV

Chiropractors have rigorous training. Not to mention the fact that there is such a thing as being an autodidact. I always wonder how people think people who study and get degrees learn anything. Same way that autodidacts learn.

From the wiki, below are some of the prerequisites for chiropractic training, including nutrition (among many others). I get the feeling that most people have no idea about the training chiropractors must go through. And most of the ones I’ve known continue with all types of other training after receiving their degree and finishing their clinicals and passing their board exams and getting licensed. It’s not like you can just hang up a chiropractor shingle willy-nilly.

Graduates of chiropractic schools receive the degree Doctor of Chiropractic (DC), and are eligible to seek licensure in all jurisdictions. The Council on Chiropractic Education (CCE) sets minimum guidelines for chiropractic colleges;[41] all 18 chiropractic institutions are accredited by the CCE. The minimum prerequisite for enrollment in a chiropractic college set forth by the CCE is 90 semester hours, and the minimum cumulative GPA for a student entering is 2.8 on a 4.0 scale.[42] Common prerequisite classes include those of the biological, chemical, and physical sciences, including: human anatomy and physiology, embryology, genetics, microbiology, immunology, cellular biology, exercise physiology, kinesiology, general chemistry, organic chemistry, analytical chemistry, biochemistry, toxicology/pharmacology, nutrition, nuclear medicine, physics, biomechanics, and statistics.[43]

#134

Is Thomas Delauer a physician?

(Allie) #135

Not at all. He makes a point of saying he’s not able to give medical advice.

(Jane) #136

Years ago I woke up one morning and if I moved my head slightly to either side I had shooting pains from my neck all the way down my arms. Scary!

I made an appointment with my Dad’s chiropractor and in one adjustment the pinched nerve was released and all pain gone. A medical doctor would have prescribed muscle relaxers and that probably would have worked, but not as quick.

(Allie) #137

My chiropractor is amazing. I first started going many years ago when I couldn’t turn my head to the left anymore, this was after years of a crappy office job where I had to sit all day often using two phones at once with my neck crooked to one side holding one so my hand could hold the other. It took a few months to correct the problem but I’ve kept going for maintenance ever since, but he doesn’t even attempt to give me medical advice beyond what I’m seeing him about.

(Brian) #138

I agree that chiropractors can have a legitimate place in the lives of some people. There are some good ones out there. There are also some real quacks out there calling themselves the same thing, “doctor”.

When I was a kid, our whole family went to one on a regular basis. I don’t remember a lot but I do remember him saying that not all chiropractors are educated equally. I would imagine the particular school one graduated from, the specific instructors a person studied under, the intelligence and thoughtfulness of the person learning, and a whole host of different variables can make a huge difference.

I’ve seen a few nurse practitioners that were incredibly knowledgeable, very educated and really dug deep into what might be going on with an individual person while standard MD’s barely had time to look up from their chart or utter even the basics of pretended interest.

I can imagine there are chiropractors that are in it for the money. And I can also imagine that there are some very sincere people that want very much to really help people, to make a difference in a positive way. And maybe there are even a few that just like to command the respect that comes from the title of “doctor”. Who knows. I do know that I don’t want to condemn all for the sake of some.

(Running from stupidity) #139

Except that most PhDs aren’t operating in the medical space, so there’s zero confusion.

#140

“Dr Eric Berg DC” and stating that he is a chiropractor in the video notes is pretty clear though. And I don’t think your assumption that most PhDs are not working in the “medical”/nutrition space is correct, especially these days. Acupuncturists are also in the space. People with no degree who have personal n=1 experience are also in the space disseminating information. Folks just really need to learn to exercise their discernment muscles.