Dr Berg or Dr Berry?

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(Doug) #101

Ack! I should have checked your profile, Mark. :woozy_face:

(bulkbiker) #102

No worries sirā€¦ we are all only humanā€¦even when keto superpeopleā€¦

(Scott) #103

I was always hit with ā€œThe Blue Zonesā€ on MFP as proof that carbs are good. I havenā€™t done much to research blue zones but aside from genetic and environmental possible relationships nobody seem to look at what kind of carbs they eat. I doubt that a 100 year old blue zoner has been eating highly processed carbs out of a box their whole life.

(Brian) #104

I find the Loma Linda blue zone a little deceptive. Itā€™s an SDA Mecca. All the ā€œhealthy typeā€ SDAs flock there while not so healthy SDAs are going to wellness clinics spending ridiculous amounts of their savings trying unsuccessfully to get healthy. The less than healthy SDAs canā€™t afford to live there.

Any place can be a blue zone when the healthiest segment of a population is drawn together in one place.

I donā€™t know about the other blue zones but Iā€™m skeptical about reading more into them than is there.

(Consensus is Politics) #105

Find the link to the following quotes, etā€¦ following the quotes :woozy_face:

Consensus Is Not Science

The late Michael Crichton, MD, author, film producer, put it this way:
ā€œI want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because youā€™re being had.

ā€œLetā€™s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus.

ā€œThere is no such thing as consensus science. If itā€™s consensus, it isnā€™t science. If itā€™s science, it isnā€™t consensus. Period.

ā€œIn addition, let me remind you that the track record of the consensus is nothing to be proud ofā€

(From a talk at the California Institute of Technology on January 17, 2003, printed in Three Speeches by Michael Crichton, SPPI Commentary & Essay Series, 2009.)

Max Planck, one of the fathers, with Albert Einstein, of modern physics, put it this way:
ā€œNew scientific ideas never spring from a communal body, however organized, but rather from the head of an individually inspired researcher who struggles with his problems in lonely thought and unites all his thought on one single point which is his whole world for the moment.ā€
(Address on the 25th anniversary of the Kaiser-Wilhelm Gesellschaft, January 1936, as quoted in Surviving the Swastika: Scientific Research in Nazi Germany, 1993).

http://scienceisneversettled.com/consensus-is-not-science/

(Doug) #106

Good post, Bob. I didnā€™t always agree with what Michael Crichton said, but Iā€™m with him, here. He had a great mind and I frigginā€™ love his books.

(Running from stupidity) #107

+1

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #108

Youā€™re out of likes again?

(Running from stupidity) #109

NOBODY should be surprised by that by now. NOBODY.

(Ben ) #110

They are articulate, intelligent and seem to know there stuff with science to back it all up.

#111

Berg is a chiropractor so, by training, heā€™s a fraud and snake oil salesman. Dr. Berry is a real doctor (M.D.) who undertook his own study to figure out the shortcomings in medical nutrition education. He wrote a book, but everything else he does, he does for free to help people. Berry is the real deal. Berg is a fraud and wrong in significant areas.

(Scott) #112

+1 ^^^^^

#113

Wanna elaborate on this one? Chiropractors are the only reason Iā€™m walking and not in pain. 3 different ā€œrealā€ Doctors told me the only way that was going to happen was pretty invasive back surgery. Donā€™t pass your biased opinions off as fact, you obviously have no real life experience with the subject.

(Scott) #114

Nothing against Chiropractors adjusting the body but when it starts getting touted as the cure for various diseases my radar clicks on. My wife goes to one weekly.

#115

IMO Dr. Berg is an out and out fraud and snake oil salesman. Stay away from anyone who is selling anything. Buy a $15 food scale, get the free version of myfitnesspal and keep net carbs under 20 grams. I did those 3 things and lost 100 pounds in 12 months without spending a penny other than the food scale. If you want to know how it works, watch free videos on YouTube like Dr. Berry, Dr. Bikeman, Dr. Phinney, etc. All the rest is a racket. And, whatever you do, stay away from Bulletproof brand. You can buy everything they sell for half what they charge. But, you really donā€™t need to buy anything but eggs, meat, cheese, broccoli, asparagus, butter and heavy cream.

(Karen Parrott) #116

Neither for my own and varied reasons. Choose who you follow very, very carefully- eyes wide open

Edited to add: Canā€™t go wrong with Dr. Westman or Dr. Naiman . Check out what they have, take what works and move on. Best wishes

(Allie) #117

Iā€™ve been catching up on Thomas Delauer recently and, just as a point of interest, have just subscribed to You Tube premium so I can listen with the screen turned off - itā€™s more like podcasts now which suits me better as Iā€™m interested in learning not looking at guys posing :joy:

(Carl Keller) #118

I keep clicking ā€œNot Interestedā€ when prompted with the offerā€¦ But being able to just listen and not watch some of the unnecessary extras does have appeal. I might have to give it a try. Thanks for pointing that out. :slight_smile:

#119

I donā€™t trust Dr. Berg for the simple reason that I donā€™t trust ā€œdoctorsā€ who are anti-vaccination. I go further than that and think Dr. Berg has done more potential damage to potential Keto newbies than any other YouTube celebrity. Canā€™t tell how many people Iā€™ve seen of the FB forums trying to shovel down 7-10 cups of veggies down and wondering why they donā€™t feel well. To say nothing of the fact that heā€™s killing babies and people with compromised immune systems with his anti-vax stance.

(Running from stupidity) #120

And heā€™s actually only a chiro, not a real ā€œdoctorā€ anyway, yeah.