Do I HAVE to eat my veggis?

#61

The authority nutrition article is not trash. that’s misrepresentation. I posted 3 scientific links in the previous thread. I’ll see if I can find it.

#62

What are you talking about? I stated my agenda up front. Yes I have an agenda. It is to stop people flippantly recommending zero-carb. I couldn’t be more transparent in stating my purpose.

(matt ) #63

Logical fallacy time? Oh boy. I’m out.

#64

Anyone embarking on a new eating plan should get a check up with their GP first and ideally some blood tests to check their current state of health. That is common sense.

People will always recommend something they have had great success with themselves. That is human nature just as it is to disagree. My advice is to choose better articles to lead your deep and meaningfuls with than the DM and the Telegraph. If you had actually used something relevant and thought provoking you might be taken more seriously.

(matt ) #65

Thanks @daisy. Those were the words I should have used.

#66

As mentioned. I already posted several articles on this topic. Here’s the thread. FB Debate about Carbohydrates

And here’s the links. There’s plenty more. There’s a tome of articles on the NCBI database on the importance of plant fiber for the gut microbiome. The evidence since 2010 is overwhelming.

http://library.med.utah.edu/NetBiochem/nutrition/lect1/2_1.html

https://chriskresser.com/myths-and-truths-about-fiber/

I’m not saying it’s an open and shut case. I’m saying there’s so much evidence that it’s irresponsible to not mention it to a newbie who is asking is it okay to just skip veggies altogether.

#67

I have used all manner of sources on this and I have received hostility, name-calling and uncensored swearing every time regardless of quality of sources. Fair enough I didn’t lead with great articles this time. I’ve amended that above. Please stop attacking me. I have a fair point that I have done my best to elucidate clearly. I think I did a pretty good job, but in any case I did my best. If you would focus on addressing my points I’d appreciate it.

(bulkbiker) #68

And? Low carb will help both Type 1 and Type 2 diabetics… zero carb maybe even more… although I will agree that the jury is out on that one… I can’t see why you are so ardently opposed to people eating they way they want to.
Ok you don’t think that zero carb is a good idea that’s your opinion but you have stated it many times and there will never be any proof one way or the other so you have made your point. It seems you are now simply arguing for the sake of it.
As I said on a previous post until you have large groups of people locked up and fed exactly prescribed diets (which ain’t ever gonna happen) you won’t get any definitive answers so however many studies you link to they will all be fundamentally flawed. A lot of people have good results eating zero carb why do you get so wound up about it?
Do you have some ulterior motive that you haven’t made clear.

(Nick) #69

Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Give it a rest.

(Nick) #70

You have no point that stands. You’re hypothesising that a species which evolved for millennia with nary an edible carb, and made it through a number of evolutionary funnels sans even the possibility of exogenous glucose, has suddenly mutated into one that needs this capricious and rare ingredient.

I have isotope analysis of our ancestors’ diet, the substantial shortening of our guts, the evolution of a fatty brain which demands a quality diet, and the full context of our ice-age evolution as my hand. And yours? Some tendetious anecdotes, a strange asceticism and the desire to scare people who are healing their metabolisms.

(Cocker) #71

Glad to hear that people are thriving without veg. I like some fruits but veg has always seemed like a huge effort (at best) or repellent (at worst)…

…you hear so much about how they’re super important, so there’s the mild guilt whenever I walk past the produce section at the supermarket…at the same time though, part of me wonders “surely if my body wanted it then it would be at least somewhat attractive”…