Dairy on Carnivore?

(Alec) #13

Snap! I consider myself a carnivore and I do eat dairy: cream, cream cheese and cheese. Relatively small quantities.

#14

one is carnivore if it is animal simple as that.

there is ‘relaxed carnivore’ in that one can eat some dairy from an animal cause it is not plant food ever so it is carnivore…key being YOU DO OK on it :slight_smile: So you are carnivore, don’t consider yourself one, you are LOL

#15

Unfortunately although I love dairy my face and body greatly disagrees with me. I don’t care about labels either, right now it is all very experimental to me trying to rid myself of inflammation which aggravates my lipoedema and causes swelling. So I will see what happens if I cut down on dairy, though won’t right away cut it out of my life altogether, because that coffee with cream is the highlight of my day lol, and without the cream I don’t fancy the coffee. But I actually enjoy this treat more than any of my meals, it’s just a moment of pure heaven.

#16

I enjoy dairy as well, but I am beginning to see the error of enjoying it in huge quantities. Such as big blocks of butter whenever I’m cooking, loads of cream in my 3-egg omelette and many many blocks of mature cheddar cheese throughout the day as well as yogurt. So I will try to enjoy a slice or two for now as just to spice up my omelette or burger, and keep my coffee with cream, and see where that takes me.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #18

That’s a bummer, but it’s better to acknowledge that a food doesn’t work for us, rather than to insist that “we should be able” to eat a food that others can eat with impunity.

Lactose intolerance, for example, is actually the human default—actually, it’s the mammalian default. We normally lose the ability to produce lactase (the enzyme that digests lactose) sometime between weaning and adulthood. There are, however, two human mutations that allow the production of lactase past weaning, one among the Maasai, the other among northern Europeans.

And of course, a separate issue with dairy is whether one can tolerate the proteins it contains, since they come from another animal (I assume that no one has trouble with the proteins in human milk). We seem to have evolved eating beef, but the milk of cows probably appeared more recently in our diet, so not everyone has adapted to it.

(Robin) #19

I can relate. My morning coffee is my daily delight.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #20

So’s mine, but I drink it black. I had a brief phase of putting heavy cream in it, under the influence of these forums, but decided that I actually prefer it black. (That wasn’t the case when I started drinking coffee forty-five years ago, however!)

#21

I am a northern european, but must’ve missed out on that lucky mutation. I’m not entirely sure, however, if it’s lactose intolerance or if it’s casein intolerance. All I know is dairy seems inflammatory to me, and really aggravates both my roseaca, and the swelling of my lipoedema. But then I tried almond milk, ugh, and in the past I’ve tried oat milk, double ugh. What I haven’t tried yet is coconut-milk so might give that a go. I’ve searched for creamed coconut as an alternative to put in my morning coffee, but can’t find it anywhere in the supermarkeds. So I’ve tried several times in my life to give up dairy, but always end up going back to it for lack of good alternatives, and the worry about calcium.

#22

I totally agree :slight_smile:
I am sure I merely need “extreme low-carb net carbs from non-animal sources most of the time” - but I will try pure carnivore for more than a few days (I couldn’t do it longer yet) as I can’t possibly know it wouldn’t be something magical :wink:
My carnivore (that I barely ever do but I have a carnivore style) still isn’t good enough for people as I can’t afford ruminant meat and anyway, I strongly prefer pork. And I eat eggs. And some dairy. But that’s carnivore to me.

Bob made me realize I didn’t talk about milk! I am unsure about it. I drink milk if I fancy it but as it’s very carby (that may or may not matter) and not satiating, I avoid it if I don’t specifically want it.
I too easily drink 7-10 deciliter of it and I don’t want to do that often… But milk is kinda new to me, I would get desensitized or trained out of this amount, it’s not even my usual one, just sometimes happens. Milk is about as easy to drink as water…
So I understand if milk isn’t considered carnivore but it is animal product and I don’t care so much anyway, I look at it and figure out if it’s worth it to consume for me. Definitely not something I want regularly. It’s not really good in coffee, I drink too much all alone, I don’t make desserts with it… If I lived alone, I probably would buy it once a year or less. But if my SO uses up all but a little bit, it’s nice to enjoy that tiny amount sometimes. I won’t feel bad about it for sure.

Oh yes, it’s never really good without cream for me either… So I cut out cream and coffee together… Well I try with mixed results.
It’s a good idea to lower your dairy even if you can’t just cut it out, maybe it will help? And maybe you will be able to stop eating it later.
I love creamy coffees but I tend to drink coffee in mentally unhealthy amounts and it’s not food but costs money so I am better with a very occasional consumption. The lack of joy is fine as I can enjoy my proper food even more. (And I wouldn’t stop drinking coffee completely… One box of cream per month can stay :))

(Robin) #23

Crazily… if I have any significant amount of cheese, I get inflammation and achy joints! But I put that heavy cream in my coffee all day long. I know nothing about casein… maybe that’s part of it?
I could do some researching. But I prefer to pester @PaulL. He’s my handy dandy pocket encyclopedia.

(Allie) #24

I’m using oat milk in coffee currently, and pea milk is surprisingly good too.

#25

Yes any excessive amount of dairy brings on the inflammation for me too. By giving up sugar and gluten my lipoedema pain has greatly reduced, but still I get joint aches, muscle pains and swelling, and I am wondering if it is the dairy that is contributing to that. What I haven’t tried is cut out all the cheese and butter and just see if I can get away with the cream in my daily coffee, that will be my next step.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #26

That might work well, if the problem is a sensitivity to the proteins. It should even work if the problem is intolerance to lactose, come to think of it, since heavy cream is almost exclusively fat, and nothing else.

#27

I just couldn’t aquire the taste for either almond milk or oat milk, I would never touch soy milk and pea milk really doesn’t appeal to me either. One thing I haven’t tried is coconut milk and coconut, cream, I might like that. The last time I tasted coconut milk was when I was a little girl, from a real coconut, I seem to remember it was difficult to open, but that the coconut milk inside was OK. But then my memory is sketchy.

#28

Yes, I too have jumped the dairy train on and off. It’s such an easy snack, provides calcium and protein so I’ve kind of stubbornly kept on with it despite my body protesting the whole way. But I am really struggling to find something equally satisfying that is not dairy. So then I catch myself thinking a slice of cheese here and another slice there, to spice up things, what harm could it do? And it was this way of thinking that led me to a recent cheese-binge. Now I’ve got a strawberry face and pimples. So will be jumping off the dairy train for a while besides for the cream.

#29

I dislike oat and probably most plant milk but I did like coconut milk. I dislike it now but even my tastes change… Cream is simply the best and I doubt I will think differently. Without cream I eventually lose coffee too though egg and a little butter have some chance. But it will make the coffee okay, not good.

The clear-ish liquid inside the coconut is coconut water.

Nothing is like dairy but if one just want something different than normal meat and eggs, there are options… Meats are different, eggs can be used for very different dishes… But dairy is so very unique (even the various kinds) that I couldn’t substitute them, just learning to live without.
But using only a tiny bit? I can do that as long as I have plenty of other food.
I don’t use dairy for protein, I eat more than enough from meat and eggs. Cheese is like spice to me. As dairy doesn’t seem to be a big pillar of my diet (that is only meat and eggs), I easily could lower the amount. But it would be tricky and somewhat unpleasant to stop eating dairy completely. I would do it for health though.

(Allie) #30

Dairy is actually addictive which could be why you’re struggling to find alternatives.

The pea milk is strangely the closest I’ve found to tasting like real milk. I tried it out of desperation as coconut and almond aren’t great and soy is vile. Read about pea milk (it’s actually lentils not peas) when I was researching milk alternatives for coffee and managed to find some, honestly I was pleasantly surprised but it’s not as easily available as other types. It was a vegan friend who suggested oat milk and I find it very acceptable as an alternative, plus it’s easy to find in stores.

#31

I bought coconut milk ones, I made all my other plant milks :slight_smile: It’s WAY easier than buying them, after all, maybe coconut milk that is available but as I remember, not so great when not homemade (now I dislike homemade coconut milk too but I really loved mine once and made it nearly every day). Some were pretty vile like sesame milk :smiley: But I had to try them. I kind of liked poppy seed milk but I very much like poppy seed too. I never tried to make walnut milk (or I don’t remember it), I don’t know why, walnut is my fav nut, maybe pecan is better but that’s exotic and expensive and I only tried it once.
Not like walnut isn’t super expensive now and it’s pretty odd as walnut trees are everywhere, there are significantly more of them near me than people.

I never drank pea milk though.

What CAN’T one be addicted to? But when one does carnivore, dairy can be mere variety. It’s pretty different from meat and eggs and it comes handy sometimes. It can be mild too, I mean meat has a strong flavor just like eggs. I always used sour cream to soften something too “aggressive”. Or salty. Or hot (both temperature and spiciness) :smiley: Or low-cal but that was before carnivore.
If I was a poet, I could wax poetry about dairy all day!

(Edith) #32

Dairy is very inflammatory for me. It gives me painful, itchy bumps and painful joints. I don’t use any dairy with keto. It can definitely be done.

Maybe try milkadamia (macadamia nut milk) as a substitute. It is quite tasty. If I need a creamy dairy substitute, I use that or coconut milk.

(Megan) #33

Sounds like you have your answer to your original question. All the best!! Keep us posted! :slight_smile: