Dairy, Histamine & Inflamation

(Denise) #1

My first question, after going on Day 4 of no dairy, is how long does it take for it’s effects to be out of our systems?

The reason I ask is that I had 3 very good days, and nights, but woke up this a.m. with some congestion again. Not horrible, but it’s returned and I can’t think of what to do next except find out if it takes more time for my body to get rid of it.

I had other types of allergies when I was very young, asthma, and I had the skin-pricks on my back and the doctor said I was allergic to all kinds of things. But I grew out of them as I stopped having asthma and other types of allergies like hay-fever type stuff, no hives or other things I would attribute to allergies.

I know I could still end up with the mucus thing even giving up dairy, but what I’ve found out from Paul Mason, I don’t want to eat it at all. I’d love to get feedback on this subject, links to good studies or more than I found myself on videos/podcasts. Thanks for any feedback, oh, and I didn’t eat anything different yesterday, so I’m thinking possibly environmental causes, just don’t know, and don’t want a conventional allergist that will just recommend shots/pills for allergies :wink:

Denise :roll_eyes::grimacing:

Just FYI my foods from yesterday
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(Chuck) #2

I have sinus and allergies, my doctor and I thought it was dairy, so I stopped drinking my morning glass of mild and I stopped eating cheese. It didn’t help me at all, and I was a very unhappy person without my milk and cheese on my eggs and ground beef. So I went back to my old routine of my one glass of milk to break my fast, and I have my cheese when I wish. I have gone on to find out that my allergies was due to wheat, and processed foods. Since giving up processed food, refined foods, well highly processed, and fast foods, and eating only real food my allergies are gone and my sinuses are seasonal. That is my story, will work for others well that is up to them to figure out.

(Denise) #3

morning chuck, I’m glad you didn’t have any trouble with dairy, I would eventually miss mine if it turns out to not be the problem, but there are some other reasons I may not return to dairy. We’ll see how things go. Can you tell me how long you were off the dairy until you knew it wasn’t the issue?

Thanks much!! Denise

(Chuck) #4

I followed my doctors advise and was off of it a whole month. I was miserable, I felt like my whole routine from the time I was born was off the rails. I do not drink coffee, so in away my milk is my morning pick me up, well now that I am fasting until at least noon my morning pick me up is a glass of tea.

(Denise) #5

So no milk now? I just read about foods containing lectins can cause histamine, and I ate a bunch, well a cup of peanuts which are said to have lectins. No problem dumping the peanuts. I think it was someone here that warned me about those some time ago.

Right now I’m checking out foods containing lectins that I will be avoiding to see if things get better, but I won’t start the dairy, I’m convinced it has no nutritional value to human life, (after breast feeding babies), that I cannot get from other foods. It’s a non-essential food if the data I’m reading is correct.

I also understand, for those that don’t know this about me, that I have very high cholesterol, total (515), but have good trigs / HDL. Dr. Mason talks about dairy causing “some” people to have higher cholesterol then others when in ketosis so that’s another aspect of the dairy which might pertain to my bod.

(Chuck) #6

My step daughter is allergic to lactose, so I understand it. Now due to helping me lose the fat I am needed to lose, I am only fixing 4 ounces of whole milk in my almond milk with whey protein, be it in my smoothies, or just to drink with eggs and meat. But I grew up on the farm and I have always had milk straight from the source, not processed milk for the store.

#7

Generally speaking, dairy allergies play out by giving you upset stomach issues. If you think it might be food-related, start keeping a journal. I have seen coffee do this too. Also, dust mites are one of the most common allergy out there. Therefore, wash your bed sheets and pillow cases once per week with a “No fragrance” detergent. If your washer has a sanitary cycle, use it. Put your sheets in the dryer at the highest temperature. No softener or dryer sheets. Good luck

(Denise) #8

I have had some stomach, more so bowels, since starting just meat for dinner but I think that could be more transitional, it’s not gone 100% of the time yet though. A journal will be good for symptoms which I will do on myfitnesspal notes, easy peasy :wink:

Every detergent I’ve used, and only liquid softeners made no difference so using nothing sounds good to me, no fragrance at all. I do have a Honeywell purifier, 3 Salt lamps that I thought would help, changing filter regularly but hasn’t. I have a small apartment, around 550 sq. ft. but carpet is old. Can’t change that, but hardwood, or even the fake-stuff I think would be a better flooring for me.

Anyway, I’ll try your suggestions, as I honestly haven’t liked the lingering smell of Gain washing products, I mean they smell good, but I’m no longer into even where perfume, gag, I just like fresh air all around me, period :wink:

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #9

The typical advice regarding any elimination diet is to give yourself 30 days, minimum, before assessing the effects. Day four is far too soon to say it’s not working.

(Denise) #10

I’m so glad to hear that Paul!! I forgot about “elimination diets”, and I believe it will be easy to hang in there as I’m not missing the dairy :wink:

Do you know much about Dr. Paul Mason’s info on cholesterol being extra high because of dairy? I mean with only certain people, which I might be one :wink: Also the histamine thing, and autoimmune system? Was hoping you would chime in :slight_smile:

Here’s his video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5B_bNwfDoo

#11

Do you do extended fasts? 1-3 days? If so, do you get any relief? From your food chart, the only thing that kind of sticks out for me would be the 1 cup of peanuts. Environmental causes tend to persist over much longer periods of time. The old carpet could be a contributing factor, but probably not the main cause of your discomfort.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #12

The cause can be any number of allergens, and the effects are not always standard across patients. My mother’s allergist explained that by recounting the story of a patient of his who reacted to caffeine by getting weepy and telling people her troubles. She refused to believe him, so he gave her some caffeine, she had the predicted reaction, and he gave her something to treat it (I no longer remember what), and she was fine again. Most people do not react to caffeine in that way, of course.

So my advice would be to see an allergist and get tested to determine what, precisely, is causing your allergies. In my case, I am allergic to practically everything airborne, and I didn’t need testing to confirm that; the effect on my lungs is sufficient. But Mom had some interesting reactions to her favourite foods (apparently we tend to crave the foods we are allergic to), and they all cleared up when she changed her diet.

Now that is what we like to hear! So cancel the allergist advice, in your case. I still recommend it, however, especially if people are experiencing strange symptoms that the doctors can’t trace to anything else. And most especially if they try to tell you it’s all psychological. Mom found out that her “psychosomatic” symptoms all had a physical basis and were easily resolvable.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #13

If you want a complete elimination diet, consume nothing but beef and water for at least 30 days. Then you can try adding back foods one by one (this is important), giving it 30 days with each food, and assess. (You may not need the full 30 days, if there is a serious problem.) Then on to the next food, rinse and repeat.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #14

Give me time to watch the video. I’ve been sick for a couple of days and am just catching up.

(Denise) #15

No extended fasts! I get my fasts between meals, and overnight. No relief, mornings after longest fasts are the worst times.

Yes, I don’t like the fact peanuts are high in lectins. I’m stopping those today and if I need a snack, it will be a piece of meat. Well, they’ve lasted going on 7 or 8 years now, since I moved to the coast. The apartments are well maintained other than some haven’t gotten the newer carpet, with all it’s “particles” flying around.

I think it’s going to be hard to find the exact cause, and how to get rid of it but like Paul said, 30 days without dairy and we’ll see where I am then :wink:

(Denise) #16

Oh bummer, sorry to hear that Paul, no hurry at all, take care of yourself, I feel good, not sick from any of this. Get better soon :slight_smile:

#17

Book an appointment with an allergist. They can test. Now, the results may not be conclusive, but they will point you in the right direction. Lectins have been somewhat overblown by Dr. Gundy. Try walnuts as an alternative.

(Denise) #18

I was doing walnuts, 1/4 cup a day in my yogurt, with blueberries 1/4 cup as well. I don’t eat them right now because I only liked them with yogurt. I decided to eat a piece of steak with my breakfast I’ll eat pretty soon, instead of the packaged sausage. I’ll buy enough meat (red meat) to have some at breakfast as well. I got to thinking how the sausage doesn’t stay with me like the red meat, so I want to try that in order to just do 2 meals per day and skip that in-between snack that was the yogurt, nuts and berries. I can still grab some walnuts, or maybe with the berries as well, if I want to, hate to just waste them and I don’t think either of those hurt me.

The fat bombs I think are fine for me to have a little dessert, and, add some fat to my daily intake of that :wink:

(Chuck) #19

I love walnuts and eat a handful almost everyday.

(Denise) #20

I imagine I’ll get used to a few for a quick snack, although I don’t usually want a snack anymore. I do need to keep up my omega 3s though so I’ll still keep walnuts around for sure :wink: