Oh we talk about off carnivore? I thought it’s about carnivore… I don’t eat carbs beyond eggs and meat now and still have hardships 
Well definitely no cravings (except the tiny towards fat) but I never was that type… Just on carbs, that’s a different world for me.
When I eat carbs, things can go either way, actually. But the more time I spend on carnivore, the easier things get even when I eat 2 TimTams and that’s something super serious, my tiny raw vegs and onions never caused problems, that’s why I kept them. But I almost completely lost interest and it happened to cheese and processed items as well. They may be useful but I don’t feel the pull.
Of course, I don’t know what will happen longer term. I was so okay without some of my old carby favs in the first 5 years on low-carb and then they came back. Couldn’t stay, I had new habits and ideas about what I should do but still.
And it doesn’t matter if I can do on/off carnivore as I have problems very off. Carnivore-ish is great, even a bit more carbs here and there… But it’s hard to overdo it and then I have the whole mess. If I do OMAD, it’s way better. I feel fine but I have those mental things regarding food and anyway, I eat more and that’s a problem.
But I am sure that a few more or less carnivore months will help tremendously. As I wrote before, even my tiny on/off carnivore-ish times helped. And I even had sweeteners after some time on my on days when I was bored with everything not sweet pancakes… And I still changed a lot. Pure carnivore must change me even more and I won’t be so vulnerable anymore… As I managed to overdo carbs in December. I am normally fine but December is traditionally a very non-keto month for me. I do nothing like in the past but my body is less forgiving too. Certain circumstances are still dangerous. But I hardly will have such ones in the next 5 months And then it will be late as I will be a new person. Right? Maybe not but maybe yes!
I felt healthy on every woe of mine, well, physically… The compulsions are nasty.
And they are connected to night eating too but not on carnivore. Even if I am not properly hungry (but not fully satiated) and fancy a few bites late (still before bed, I don’t wake up until I got my 6-9 hours), I just eat some little meat and it’s fine. I don’t need to eat more and more like even on my normal keto (if that is a thing. I pretty much lost my ability to do only keto soon after I tried carnivore. if I add something, I usually go too far as I don’t have many low-carb off-carnivore items I like, I add high-carb stuff. it’s something interesting mental thing of mine though kinda logical especially knowing my inner rebel. I ate high-carb items on keto too to feel more free or something. and because I liked them. I was huge on IIFYM but I didn’t eat anything, I was more health-consicous)… On a not too bad woe it only happens at night for some reason. Carnivore is safe. And I have everything I need, basically. It just gets boring sometimes or I have problems eating proper sized meals and that’s annoying… The latter went away after some time but maybe I get it back on longer term carnivore? I hope not.
But anyway, I MUST figure out what happens on strict and longer term carnivore. Maybe something amazing! Carnivore actually gave me quick benefits, keto didn’t. So I have some motivation but it could use some more as I am so very undisciplined.
The phenomenon where people take a bit and eat carbs galore for weeks and months… This is super odd to me. My body isn’t nearly that forgiving. When I went low-carb maybe 11 years ago, it was a big change. I mean, I felt better and I already felt pretty healthy on HCHF while overeating like crazy (I don’t even understand, overeating feels bad. oh well). My body tasted the new style and said it WANTED it. It was super clear I never go back to high-carb ever. Just for visits, maybe, oh my god I had so carby days occasionally… I had my weaknesses.
And then I got a bit bored with my stall and efforts… And had a bit carbier times, still low-carb but carbier. And I got sugar poisoning. Each and every time. It seemed that if I collect too many carbs per week, I got it. The less carbs I ate, the more time it take and below 80g net carbs a day (my low-carb, I jumped into that from high-carb and it was great right away) I was safe. So I physically couldn’t go back. I am sure I would survive on high-carb, I would get used to it as about much as I was if there would be the only way but my body would complain first so I had to go through some starvation period first to avoid suffering? But let’s not think about such an apocalyptic situation where I can’t get my proper food.
So there was no way back. The more carbs I ate when I went off low-carb, the quicker I bounced back.
And for some reason I knew keto is the way even though I didn’t get benefits beyond fat adaptation so I went back to keto too just not as often as to low-carb. Low-carb was my very comfortable woe, I only got out occasionally on parties or whenever I had something (often many something) very tempting as a very seasonal, rare thing, that had an extra power on me. If something is there all the time of often, I usually get desensitized. But almost all the days of the year were low-carb. Keto wasn’t that successful as it was almost pointless hardship to me but still a doable fun challenge sometimes. I just couldn’t stick to vegetarian keto, I formed nice keto habits and made recipes but it was still hard, too carby (though I had no idea I need to go lower. I simply couldn’t anyway) and I just didn’t get benefits…
Years passed without much improvement though I don’t even remember those times very well… I struggled and stalled.
And then came carnivore that was a surreal change even for a trial as I was a huge veggie lover and almost never ate meat, I ate once and didn’t want it for months. How on earth I changed I don’t know but I didn’t force things, I was enticed and I just tried and hooked… I felt the benefits right away but it wasn’t easy with my circumstances… So I still switched between this new strictest things and my good old low-carb woe all the time. Except when I was off for longer due to fruit seasons. But I changed rapidly. And now, 2(? I think 2) years later… I felt ready for this strict style. I don’t miss anything yet and I don’t suppose I will soon. I didn’t skip anything I was particularly attached to (short term. I wouldn’t want to skip fruits in 2022. NO WAY. not even in 2030 I suppose but I lost the majority of my interest and desire and all the need. I actually got unwell when I didn’t eat my tiny daily fruit on keto! probably mental but I can’t stand being unwell if I can help it. well it was nowhere when I started carnivore, the need completely disappeared. or else I would have quit right away as I did when I first tried keto, too close to my high-carb times)… So unless I get super bored or too satiated my food or something, I will be fine at least in January, I suppose. In the last year I already usually added some carbs (total as some items were 0 net) out of desperation when I needed something else, not because I wanted them. It isn’t THAT perfect yet, I still could desire some carbs but it’s usually a shadow of the one in the past. I very rarely added carbs when I had a bunch of tempting meat, I was happy with it and my eggs… But maybe I would have missed something later, who knows? I run out or get bored of meat way too quickly in the beginning. I only recently learned how I should do this and how much food and how many options I need to be safe. Because I often thought, oh I have this and that, it should be enough. And then I didn’t want half of it and the rest wasn’t enough and hungry desperate me is even less disciplined than the normal one. But I did learn, it took years but I did And changed a lot. So this is my year.
And I miscalculated, today was 1900 kcal. Still good. Until fat adaptation I couldn’t eat this little and it wasn’t a common occurance even afterwards (except for short, special periods like right after fat adaptation, not like the result stayed with me for long, IDK what was that).
But it’s a well-fed day on carnivore. I have high-cal carni days too but I always had my occasional high-cal days, they are normal and probably needed.
1600 is my “as low as I should get” intake. My body has these strangely fixed numbers. Like 120g protein, I rarely can manage to go below and that usually takes a lot of fat or a lot of calories before. I eat 100g protein even on my super rare 1000 kcal days. Even low-fat has a bigger chance than adequate protein. Low is impossible if I eat on that day.
I really should stop, I mean, thinking about these things and writing these monster comments, not just now but ever.
Sounds like you are eating clean and good!!
but my life was so busy, so complicated in a way and so over the top cause I made issues sometimes just that ----where I had these last years find myself in the LET IT GO person. Very hard to let it go! Believe me but in the end the more I follow this pattern of I can’t be it all to anyone, or any issue or anything in this life but take care of me and family within reason, I found I am doing a heck of alot better and I know ZC made my mind clear for changing my mindset on alot of life. ZC Clarity baby! but it takes time.