Clean Carnivore Crew, January 2022

[Septimius]

I have decided carnivore is not for me

Good luck with your next stage; I’ve always read your thoughtful posts with interest, and I hope you can find something that works for what your body needs and wants going forward. I think it’s great that you feel in tune with what your body is telling you, and heeding the warning signs / feedback it’s giving you.

The only thing I’m failing at i from where im standing is weight loss I started a year ago with him at 146’147. I got to a low of 134 then started gaining as i found my carnivore hunger I’m currently 155 so about 9lbs up for the year…but 21 pounds up from my lowest…
Funny thing is although some clothes feel tighter most still fit.

I think that last part is the bit that’s such a mindscrew on this way of eating - I realise your clothes are tighter, but the fact that most still fit despite the gain…it keeps making me think that some of this weight is bone density or lean mass, as opposed to fat mass.

I feel you on the ‘not wanting to diet’ bit. I’ve talked before about constantly warring between eating more or eating less. I’m not sure I’ve found the perfect solution, but I am still losing fat.

Your blood results are a real achievement.

[Naghite]

Forgot to post yesterday’s breakfast.

I have been overwhelmed with meat orders. 5 separate orders all coming in, including 15 sweetbreads and hearts!!! On top of 7 kidneys and tongues with a few cheeks and testicles. One set of sweetbreads are not recognizable…… I wonder what I got? or possibly if the cow was too old. I will show pictures of it when I have completed cooking/ prepping it. The hearts from the same place however were excellent, I was able to make 3!!! Pound hearts steaks out of each of them along with some smaller full steaks.

It continues and has been around negative 25 Celsius most mornings. Simply too damn cold. I left meats in my heated garage and they were still frozen after one night

[Septimius]

Sorry to read of your struggles @Shinita, especially the feedback from Alvaro - hope you find a way forward for February. I feel you on the coffee; I have some that I thought was ok when I was drinking it with cream or butter or oil, but awful when it was just black. I ended up buying better quality coffee - bit of a pain because it’s a little more expensive, but it’s worth it for enjoying it.

It is interesting though. I only drink water to thirst, but I can tell that I enjoy drinking the coffee, so I think I can end up taking in more fluid than I probably need in the morning. One to keep an eye on.

@Ketodaisy - so sorry to read about your disrupted sleep. That’s a lot of waking to use the loo. No wonder you can’t stay asleep.

[gingersmommy]

This month I was super strict, and I totally lost my desire to eat meat. It is very strange. I get hungry, but I don’t have a taste for anything, especially meat.

I can relate. I find I am getting bored with the meat we do eat and pretty much it all feels the same, every day. All we eat is pork, hamburger, very little red meat because of the price, wings and sometimes a rotissiere chicken. We don’t like seafood and won’t do organ meats or other things. Before I went carnivore a year ago, I’d only eat less than 10g carbs per day anyway. The extent of my deviation was just some steamed brussels sprouts with salt and bacon grease. Delicious every night. My husband has a romaine salad several times a week. I know I would enjoy that crunchy conduit to home made blue cheese dressing. I’m not going to torture myself about it however it goes. I’ll continue eating carnivore and reassess after a few weeks.

[robintemplin]

@gingersmommy @VirginiaEdie… I too am feeling extremely bored with eating carnivore (with a bit of cheese). That’s one reason I often give in to simply buying pre-sliced deli-meat. I know it’s not the best I can do for my body. But at this point I am simply eating because I have to. Maybe adding eggs will help.

But all of this is exacerbated by my loss of taste since having omicron. So I won’t make any rash decisions until that comes back. Fingers crossed.

I should order some more of my favorite local made beef jerky that has always satisfied every aspect of my hunger…. Bringing the joy. but if I can’t taste that, I will really be sad!

[Ketodaisy]

I honestly can say in over 2 years I have never felt bored with carnivore . But as I said before, I am a very simplistic eater. I don’t need much variety. The little I do like, I easily find within carnivore. But we are all very different with different needs!

[Septimius]

I am always surprised how happy I am eating the same thing over and over.

Prior to carnivore, I enjoyed food too much. I was happy to try anything and always keen for variety.

The key difference, for me, has been straightening out the difference between true hunger and ‘wanting something tasty’ - but on reading everyone else’s posts, it’s clear that I’m more of an oddity than I thought.

[gingersmommy]

But as I said before, I am a very simplistic eater. I don’t need much variety. The little I do like, I easily find within carnivore.

Me, too, generally speaking - but after three years, my limited preferences are starting to get to me.

[Karen18]

Very much the same … even before this woe I could eat the same thing day in day out till I just went off whatever i was eating then on to something else day in day out hence why my foody pics look very much the same hahaha heres my dinner …surprise surprise pork chops

And just had a hard boiled egg again lol

[Azi]

I’m the same since starting carnivore the only meat aversion I’ve had would have been eating too much bacon so I stopped for a few months and no further issues… but I’ve always loved meat and I can eat my same meats week after week…

But I saw a YouTube of beef and butter gal she mainly just ate beef and eggs for three years and then suddenly she couldn’t eat beef …so she is eating chicken and other meats.
So im hopeful if I do get that I’ll switch it up and do chicken and chicken and cheese and pork and fish…
But for now I’m still enjoying my steak and lamb and occassional fish.

[Alecmcq]

Refreshing the cooked bacon pile…

[Ketodaisy]

Omad of my leftover beef rib, sirloin from my full cow, and some raw beef fat from my daughters steak (not shown). I don’t even want to talk about my sleep last night, but long story short it wasn’t good. I’m to the point where I am frustrated in talking about it, frustrated in trying to fix it, and just ready to give up on it again. Maybe I’m not a biohacker after all. Or maybe I’m just really tired. Three nights of truly terrible sleep on top of being sick and having other stress on top of that, I’m just tired. It’s like… I’ve lived this way for 25 years as my reality. I can live this way and be fine. But having hope and then to be continually disappointed is too much for me. But my food was delicious. I couldn’t finish it all. Second picture is what’s left.

[Alecmcq]

Did you use the drip method

I did, and yes I used an immersion blender. I was very cautious in how fast I added the butter. A very slow process seemed to work well.

I also did some baconnaise but I had only a small amount of bacon grease, but it still worked. So now I have baconnaise and butter based mayonnaise (butternnaise?? ). Not totally sure I will use everything I made, but we shall see how long it lasts in the fridge.

[Shinita]

I imagine it tastes nice. I liked my lard “mayo” (it had more yolk than lard I just simply mixed them) compared to all other mayos… I just don’t need it so never used it again. But maybe I try this (with little butter, I don’t have much at the moment, I couldn’t find any on sale and it got quite pricy and it never was cheap, it’s butter, after all)… I need every good vegetarian carnivore idea for my lunches I thought about butter+sour cream+spice, I think I wrote about that but that has no eggs and what food of mine don’t have eggs? Seriously. Just because I put it on eggs, it should have eggs…
(Don’t mind me.)

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I still don’t want to eat meat but I think I am warming to the idea slowly. Maybe I will eat fish and shrimps on Friday, processed items (they will expire around there) on Saturday and maybe beef stew on Sunday… I postpone my pork roasts as long as I can. Or not, who knows what I will want in 6-7 days. I don’t even know what I want tomorrow but I plan to start with a big cheesy scrambled eggs and then egg stew (and other things). I did it similarly today just didn’t use much cheese, it would be boring every day.

We had wonderful weather today! It felt warm and like spring, sunny too, of course. Mmmmm… I thought about my fruit and other trees (but I mostly have fruit trees and evergreen ones. except my 2 awesome silver birches, they are pretty in winter too but loads better with foliage. and the fruit trees have the best flowers except the thujas, I so love their complicated reproduction, they have red male flowers :)), I want to see them more alive… I typically get bored of winter around this time. We had cold, we even had snow multiple times, I would like spring soon… But that’s farther away.
I bought a huge hyacinth bulb, those things in supermarkets close to blooming. I put it into a bigger flower pot and it eventually will become a part of my garden. I have lots of spring flowers, a few hyacinths as well but simple ones and only pink and blue/purple ones and this one is fancy and white! And the bulb is totally huge.

Oh and I forgot to write the last time that I know my salt consumption now. I used less than 3g a day even with the super salty jelly in the beginning. And I salted heavily in the end… It seems it wasn’t THAT much. I didn’t count the processed stuff but it was quite little and I pretty much avoided it in the beginning. So I suppose I am a bit lower than usual. It caused no problems except I salted more heavily.

I took no supplements in January, it was fine. I probably will need it soon, vegetarian keto always had that problem in my case, basically immediately… But who knows?

I ended up buying better quality coffee - bit of a pain because it’s a little more expensive, but it’s worth it for enjoying it.

Sometimes I think it’s the way to go, better coffee but drinking it WAY less… But now I am fine with worse coffee, it should help to limit my consumption… Not much when I am in a coffee drinking phase… And I feel a waste to buy coffee as it’s NOT needed, I just drink it for some reason… Oh well. It’s really not so much now and it helps me sometimes. We will see but I will continue my fight. I always take it easier on the weekends or when I have a headache… But normally I am stricter on the weekdays.
I bought some new teas for variety. But I try to stick to my nice hot water, I totally neglected it this weekend…

I should order some more of my favorite local made beef jerky that has always satisfied every aspect of my hunger….

I actually could eat bresaola now (not now, it’s late and I am full but tomorrow)… I kind of miss it We don’t really have jerky here and now not even bresaola
The ham I bought last time was too smoky and odd flavored… So I have nothing similar at all, not like ham and beef bresaola is very similar but a tiny bit.

Oh well, I bought dry sausage, that will be nice even if I still won’t think warmly about my usual roasts. But it’s so crazy. I go from enjoying it to unable to eat it in 2 days (well it didn’t help that it was very fresh and fattier in the beginning)!

straightening out the difference between true hunger and ‘wanting something tasty’

Oh I don’t have the problem to have silly whims when I pretty much avoid carbs… I am truly hungry and can’t stomach any of my food, it’s horrible… And I didn’t have this problem, at least not this seriously until January. I got bored of my roasts after 3-4 days but I just ate something else for a few days and it was fine. But now I feel this little boredom feelings added up and became some longer term problem.
I think I will do my best not to try to be too strict in the next months. With a tiny processed meat and dairy here and there helps a lot. And having pork with the right fattiness. And not trying to do everything at once, no coffee, fasting until I can and stricter carnivore… I feel I can do it until I suddenly don’t.
But it’s super weird that I can’t eat meat and eggs even if I am very hungry in my egg and meat aversion times. I tried and felt I will gag. Crazy. Wouldn’t it be logical to be able to eat when hungry, at least good food, surely not something garbage…? Well I am not like that, apparently. I even lose my hunger just to avoid eating something I very much don’t want. Too bad my weakness, bad focus and other problems stay as my body still wants food. I really wouldn’t mind a few days without food when eating is such a big problem and I could handle it but my body throws its silly tempter tantrums and anything but that.

My sleeping pattern is off, I went to sleep WAY later than Alvaro’s waking time today. I hope I will be able to straighten this out. As a kid and young adult, I only had problems with waking up and feeling alive before noon (it basically never happened) but if I wanted to sleep, it happened easily. I lost that some years ago. I rarely wake up but if I do, I am wide awake for hours. And falling to sleep isn’t always a simple thing either and I typically go to bed super late when I am already quite tired… But it was worse when I grabbed a book (reading helped a lot to put me to sleep especially when my own thoughts were nightmarish)… And I managed to read the whole smaller novel and still couldn’t sleep. It wasn’t even THAT exciting. I learned not to read exciting things, I am addicted to reading (seriously, it’s not healthy) and I have skills at being able to read almost forever if part of me want to know what will happen in the story. I do a lot of microsleep after a while but I manage to wake up again.
It’s best to read about supernovas… As that is complicated and my mind at 2-3am can’t handle it. Not like I ever managed to learn it completely enough in any state. Maybe I should take notes, that always helped. But I love the topic. It’s still not like a story, I get sleepy easily and don’t force the thing.
I am sure something in me wants to get out more of the day and it’s stupid as I just waste good sleeping time and my next day… I even lose sunlight. But I just can’t go to bed early and I know I wouldn’t fall asleep for hours even if I did. I still should go a bit earlier…
And this is the end of my self psychiatric session or whatever.

[Fangs]

I second what you said.
I find myself also not requiring variety and the meat/seafood fish and fowl I have tons of variety actually to suit me.
I find carnivore so refreshing that to leave it would drive me insane now in the kitchen HA

------------in general, I think the simplicity and food options are more than enough to suit me and fits me to a T where I never will ‘diet’ again in my life I have no plans ever to go back to counting carbs, any macro stuff or any ‘forced dieting’ again…not worth it to me. Carnivore is never boring, but I also was a meat hound from day 1 of life. I would take a rack of ribs over a lollipop any old day as a kid LOL

Starting year 5 and I am still carnivore strong and zc happy!

I made baconaise and other carnivore things, like I tried the carnivore noodles and more and in the end, too much like darn work in the kitchen HAHA plus in the end I don’t require it actually for any of my foods. I do still use a tablespoon of regular ol’ Hellmans mayo in my tuna if I make it, but I now have mostly dropped tuna so that means I dropped that little mayo, cause now I tend to go for just plain old sardines over tuna. Tuna in a can is starting to taste, ick to me. Don’t need it, used it as a crutch more when I started carni, now it is falling by the wayside, which is fine, cause my whole sardines are more yummy than that stuff in a can.

[Azi]

On alot of boards you see and hear ppl struggling on carnivore and needing this and that and at times I wonder why that never happened to me I don’t crave carbs I don’t miss them I even made my bacon and mushroom sauce last night for my husband but I didn’t eat it… …its been a year this week and the only times I struggle is with hunger and thats when i go lean protein…
I dont get that satiety others seem to get where they are only eating a few ounces of meat and then stop cos they are stuffed…nope that’s not me… I have to at least 1.5-2lbs of meat a day…

Even though I’m up in weight I have no desire to jump on the diet to get it off bandwagon …i have changed things up when dr c asks but that’s because he sees something in my blood work…
I did notice this time my protein is dropped quite a bit even though most of what I’m eating is ruminant meat so I am interested to see what he has to say… it may be something he doesn’t mention even…

[FrankoBear]

Meat, mainly beef and lamb, bacon, eggs and seafood are plenty of dials to turn for me. Cleaning that up to removing eggs is a challenge. But there’s no rush. The joint pain is easing daily. I’ll be surfing again soon

I am interested in our meat-eating serendipity, as beef ribs were on the menu these past few nights. We had another hot summer day last Saturday, but it was on its own with lovely, warm, mild days either side. My aches and pains post adverse COVID vacc reaction have eased enough to be able for me to get up a ladder and train a summer racing grape vine.

The surf came up a bit over the weekend.

[Azi]

Good to hear that your doing alot better…
I was going t ojoin daisy and fangs on the lion diet but I think I might do dr berry’s B,B,B,E instead so it’s gives me the options even if I don’t use them unless of course Dr C has something else ito upset the apple cart.

[Shinita]

I dont get that satiety others seem to get where they are only eating a few ounces of meat and then stop cos they are stuffed…

It’s very weird to me as well. And I do have easy satiation sometimes but I still need a decent amount of food per meal.
This week I will try to have an 5 (or whatever) egg lunch but no way that tiny meal will be enough for me, no matter how much cheese, sour cream, added fat I will use… But we will see. It’s still perfect to start my first meal, I tend to do something like this all the time (sometimes with only 3 eggs) as it’s easy to eat at the beginning of my first meal. Difficulties come later. And usually simple egg dishes are the most boring, meat is more exciting. Except when it isn’t but the first bites are easy unless it’s too lean. Or I have a total meat aversion phase but this is very rare. Even now (not now at 1am but these days) I could eat some turkey. I don’t have turkey. Just some duck necks for a soup.

Despite my difficulties I feel so lucky that 1 pound of meat per day is more than enough for me… I can’t imagine going higher, it would be highly inconvenient too and I love my several eggs too much anyway. I never ate much meat in my life before trying carnivore (and usually after either) but I almost always ate eggs aplenty. It’s nice to have a big common ground between all my vegetarian times and carnivore… Eggs are great. I only ate 6-7 today as I ate much food in the last days (? I don’t track but it felt much). I imagine I will be over 10 in the next days. I did that even with meat quite often lately so it’s pretty much unavoidable.
Luckily, I am fine with simple egg dishes now. I need other things as well, sure but these simple dishes can hold a big portion of my diet now. I don’t want to spend too much time in the kitchen.

[VirginiaEdie]

I listened to a Peak Human episode with an animal nutrition expert named Fred Provenza. He found that when animals need certain nutrients, they will seek out foods that contain those nutrients. When they no longer need those extra nutrients, they no longer find that food desirable. That’s how I feel at the moment. I’m not bored of carnivore, I just don’t want so much meat. My body/mind just isn’t interested.