Clean Carnivore Crew, January 2022

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#462

Oh I am not so bad, I can eat eggs for every meal all my life :upside_down_face: I love when I have enough roast to eat for 6 days too… I still need variety, hence my many-course meals but my real problem isn’t a boring but edible meal. I always have times on carnivore when I simply can’t stomach my staples :frowning: I still didn’t figure out which level of variety I need so I have harder times… I think I will take it very easy for a while, my stricter times help me not to go overboard. But being too strict just makes me rebel out of necessity.

I don’t really understand people who can’t eat leftovers again and again, we are both very good at it. We make a big pot of food and eat it until it lasts. But not only that… There are worse people who can’t eat leftovers even the next day and wants a different main dish every day of the month. We are good at eating our favs almost all the time. But we both have multi-course main meals. As Alvaro often eats a one-course breakfast or dinner. I don’t but my meals are typically bigger or if not, I am bored of everything so I can’t handle a decent portion (not my usual meaning just that not one bite or two) of anything.
He is the one who eats his fav dessert at least a dozen times a week since more than a decade (it’s not good for workday breakfast or else it would be more) - but he needs something with it and that’s not always the same (just almost). Many of his main dishes has very common parts (the same second side dish 16 times a months since more than a decade, the same base side dish for almost every meal*). So he is better at monotony. Says the one who has 2 side dishes, basically: nothing and egg :smiley: But my eggs aren’t always the same!

*He has meals with one side dish and he has meals with 2. Both side dishes are almost always the same. Not like he has a big variety at the protein part but I do try. Sunny side up is the default one, cheesy whipped eggs are common too but only works for the 2 side dish meals. Nowadays he allows meat as the protein too and I have some fried things, I skip the veggie ones now but I can still make nutty ones, all has eggs, egg is life and a good binder.

I like simple but our personalities keep things a tad complicated.

But we rarely have to wonder what to eat. Though I start to forget what normal people (like him) eat. I only can think about eggs and meat and the default things I make for him nearly every week and he eats them for days. With some difficulties, I have other ideas but they fade quickly. I always had problems with cooking food I don’t eat, I have a few easy exceptions now but not many.
It’s good he is good with carnivore (or almost like eggs in purgatory) options most of the time. But meat must be rare so I need to be creative with eggs. It’s good, I like to play with easy dishes.


Beautiful sunny day with a very blue sky today, I saw a robin, 3 woodpeckers, maybe 3 egrets and about 1000 probably/mostly ducks! I need to bring the camera with the big objective next time…

Walk, workout and lunch. I love my pork now. Alvaro has his chicken breast curry so only I eat it now. I am happy with my appetite at the moment.
Still 75kg but surely just because I ate so much yesterday. I wasn’t more with clothes and after drinking a lot a few days ago, after all. Oh well, I need very much time to lose a significant amount of fat, I know that. I can’t make a bigger deficit than what is enough for 0.5kg per week. Even that is unlikely knowing me but not impossible.
Unless if some weird things happen in my body but they never did so I don’t count on them.
I mostly want energy and some chill, no struggles to eat my staples, a little joy here and there, simplicity… These things. And more muscles :smiley: My workout was so-so, nothing spectacular but I wasn’t weak as a kitten. And I didn’t do the whole thing yet…

If you only ate that, of course you lost weight. Everyone slims down when seriously starving…
Or what is the meaning here?
I doubt you ate a ton of calories though I am unsure what is a sproutarian. It sounds like living on vegs, really bad idea, low-nutrition starving - but we have fruitarians, that’s even worse, well it depends, they get their calories from all the sugar but why they think eating the only non-essential nutrient galore is good…? Mystery. And it’s still better than not eating at all and expecting the body to get nutrients from the air and sunlight… Humans are weird and I am polite here…

I almost understand raw vegans, they have lots of fat and probably borderline enough protein if they do their best to eat properly. No idea how they don’t starve, I saw some menu plan and I would eat it all at once as an appetizer and wait for my food… Maybe it’s a temporal thing for tiny girls with low metabolism… I liked many dishes though, I made some, they helped when I was a newbie ketoer and missed my veggies like crazy. Raw vegs are more satisfying and seem more, harder to overeat… I mostly liked the desserts though, they are great. I always love the desserts in all woe (the ones I actually use, I cherry pick the ones that suit my tastebuds). At least the raw vegan desserts were fatty and without added sugar… Okay, carni desserts are like that too and less carby but less sweet too…

I like sweets but I like eggs better. I never wanted to be a vegan, I just had vegan dishes with my non-vegan ones and always was quite okay without meat. I can’t do it without meat now as I need extreme low-carb and meat has zillion benefits anyway but I don’t feel towards is like towards eggs i.e. it’s vital for my life.
It’s good I don’t need to choose, I can have everything I need, I want, I enjoy. I need some training not to want the bad things too much or often but it will work. 2022 is the year when big changes happen.

2020 and 2021 was when I made steps, I change a lot, I had carni times often but it was some experimental stuff, things kept changing, evolving, I had carby times too, first I had supply problem and considered 1 pound of meat a day is impossible longer term… Not like I eat that much nowadays for long but I could if I always had the right cut and dish. And the year is just started, kind of. I still didn’t quite find my way, I just have a very good idea about the area.
Oh I don’t remember but I changed so much! I barely want any cheese now. I learned to eat sour cream in moderation, it’s nice and why to keep myself from it but it’s an occasional little treat or addition. And I have no cream at all in January and it’s FINE!
I lost my very strong dependence on processed meat too. I mean, I still need it but only occasionally and a little. I don’t even have dry sausage now and it’s fine!

My salt need does its own thing, it dropped first but I salt more strongly now. It’s fine, it doesn’t disturb anything, not being able to eat enough is the occasional problem. And eating too much as well. Need more leaner experiments. Or not, I have some idea about the perfect fattiness for me. I don’t have times when I want leaner or fattier food, I prefer my normal range (but handle more fat and a bit less as well, I prefer my normal to eat the right macros and keep things simple. eggs have the perfect fattiness) and stupid pork shoulder messed with that. It’s best to have a bit leaner meat (leaner than my eggs) and add some fattier items for fun. I can play with the fattiness of my sponge cakes to balance things out.


(Daisy) #463

One thing I have noticed that I can’t eat all the time is ground beef/burger patties. It just doesn’t satisfy me at all. I can handle it maybe one meal a day for a couple days, but then I bore of it and it just doesn’t satisfy me at all.


(Will) #464

Oh I’m the same way with ground beef. It doesn’t really satisfy me and also I’m just not a big fan of the texture. I’m a bit odd when it comes to food texture, I have an easier time eating something that tastes horrible over a texture that I don’t care for.


(Edith) #465

Funny that you mention ground beef. I’m definitely finding I am starting to develop ā€œmoodsā€ for things. I ate a ton of chicken thighs for a while, and now I find them slightly repulsive. Right now, I have been in the mood for ground beef. It is tasting particularly delicious to me at the moment. I ate almost a pound of it for lunch today. Last week I mixed my ground beef with some hot Italian sausage. I found that a little too delicious. I was very full after that meal. Lol.

After listening to a Diet Doctor podcast about protein, I am going to up the lean to fat percentage in the group beef I’m eating to see what happens. Right now I eat 80/20 to 85/15. I may try the 90/10. I do find the 80/20 tasty and filling.


#466

I so will eat ground beef soon :smiley: I never will try to just fry beef as I do with pork… The cheaper cut I buy is awesome for stews but last time I fried it in cubes, half was only fit as cat food… I will ground it next time.
Pork, on the other hand is okay fried. Other, for me not affordable beef cuts must be nicer too.

I am not a ground meat person but it’s nice now and then. I ground it myself as store-bought ground meat here is not supposed to be right to trust. And it’s almost no work to ground it, just a tiny extra cleaning of the grounder, I like to combine it with other grounding like making pĆ¢tĆ© or my fried things (egg, meat, spice).

Btw, grinders! I have a very nice coffee+seed grinder. When I was a kid, Mom had a strong coffee grinder. We used it to ground seeds, eggshells, not often coffee. When I inherited the old thing, I broke it soon (maybe age, maybe the heavy duty seed grinding, maybe my destructive aura - it makes not much sense as I must have had it before -, who knows?) and bought another. It turned out coffee grinders aren’t good for seeds, it requires a proper coffee+seed grinder. But coffee is hard, why? Oh well, maybe it’s not even true BUT there are coffee+seed grinders so I had one. Wonderful. We uses it every day, quite extensively.
No coffee grinding for us so first I just ground oily seeds, some grains (the softer ones. it’s not a mill), sugar alcohols and the occasional raisins (for simple raw vegan sweets) or bread.
Then I realized I don’t need to grate the cheese. I hate grating. The drier, not so nice to eat parts of our half-hard cheeses are just perfect for that. I realized later that it needn’t to be that dry but we always had dry parts I wished to use and I am not THAT much into cheese whisps and anyway, the really dry parts aren’t good for that, they barely even change their shape while normal cubes melt wonderfully (why recipes talk about grating I have no idea, extra work, the type I dislike, at that! but recipes are full with odd things I ignore and see no problem).

I ground eggs lately, not perfect, they weren’t dry enough…

But today… I ground LIVER! :smiley: It became so cute and fluffy :smiley: My grinder has 2 cups, I never knew what one of them is for but it’s best for grinding liver and cheese. Yay! I see possibilities before me, I can use liver as flour too!
I ground meat before (raw and roasted alike) but with my grinder, not my seed grinder. I have 3 grinders at the moment including the seed grinder. The latter is tiny and I have a smaller and a bigger grinder.
I hope this is the right word. Maybe I will bring a photo one day.

I had a dinner too. Yay, I managed to do TMAD! I hope, the day isn’t over yet but I am very satiated.
I had appetite problems at dinner, I didn’t really even want more meat but I managed to eat some. I ate pancakes but they weren’t carnivore, I made my break a bit longer, I needed to eat. But that’s it, I will be a tad stricter tomorrow (not too early first meal and fully carnivore day. well maybe condiments here and there).
But I won’t try only eggs and meat for a while or ever. I don’t feel a particular desire to relax my ways so I will keep my dairy and processed meat at a minimum anyway. I will use them when I feel the need or fancy some (that may be interpreted as a need but I call it needed when I have eating difficulties without it).

So I plan to let my woe being automatically just enough strict. Maybe I am ready for it.
My end goal is obviously eating whatever I desire at any point (and if I don’t desire anything, whatever is my default or whatever I have) and this being perfect for me. I am not quite there yet but I am okay with my progress in general. I just hate my most problematic days.
And that I still feel compelled to think about HOW to eat. Not like it helps. I can’t do it like that, I need my reality, my actual state and attitude to my items to decide how to change my plans.
Okay, I need it for my plans. But it works poorly when I plan my food and even make it. What if I don’t want most of it? It’s okay for roast and sponge cakes as I will eat them easily enough in the next days and they are very much freezable too. But not for the others.
And my sponge cakes probably wouldn’t spoil easily in room temperature, not even in our somewhat humid house. They would dry out. I should test it one day but how I could keep myself from gobbling them up… By making a ton all the time, I imagine… :slight_smile:

That was a traditional sponge cake with sugar and flour but once we forgot a piece of sponge cake made by Mom at our ā€œholiday houseā€ (it was Grandma’s old house, actually. Grandma was old and lived with her other daughter elsewhere). I found it 2 months later, it became a great biscuit.

I still don’t understand why people think that a bread gets moldy. Does theirs do that? Ours become dry. Of course we don’t keep it in some nylon bag… And it’s super rare, Alvaro simply eats the bread until he eats it all. It starts quite dense and it becomes more and more apt to kill someone with it but he has no problems with that.

Sorry for the carbs. I bake bread every day and see Alvaro eating it on most days and it was relevant in the end but I am interested in the mold resistance of my very proper carni sponge cake breads, actually…


(Robin) #467

Just in case??? That would be my just in a minute pile!


(Judy Thompson) #468

@Shinita the sproutarian diet was a pretty full compliment but all vegetarian. We sprouted nuts, then blended and fermented them (like cashews) to make a cheese. I had a dozen trays of different seeds growing, a table groaning with bright colored raw fruits and veggies that would feed 25 people for seminars. I wasn’t ever hungry. But it took up a lot of space, so when I moved to a group house I eventually quit. That was in the early 80s.

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whole chicken and fried up a lb of beef liver today. Nice and satisfying lunch. I did take lipase as I’m not sure how the liver will affect me otherwise.

I chopped chicken breast for the puppy, it’s in the dehydrator. The other day I chopped the rest of the lamb liver and dehydrated it for her. She is one happy camper!
She’s not really a puppy, but a 5 year old yorkie poo. Fed raw since I got her at 10 weeks.


(Alec) #469

The clean carnivore weight drop continues… 3.2kg in 4 days since starting carnivore. I am loving it! I wonder when it will stop…


(Alec) #470

I doubled the size of the pile in the end… and I started chowing through it late yesterday, but didn’t take long to fill me up. I reckon it will take me a few days to chow through that pile… maybe longer, this carnivore thing is certainly making me not very hungry, even on OMAD.
Cheers
Alec


(Karen) #471

And did you visit Sherwood Forest? Doncaster is about 45/50 minutes from me and I have shopped there a number of times :slightly_smiling_face:


(Daisy) #472

Day 26: meal one was cold leftover steak. I had little steak bites from my family’s dinner the other night, my husband’s leftover steak from yesterday and my leftover steak from yesterday. Then meal two was a giant skirt steak. The steak bites and my husband’s steak were salted, so my body is a mess today. Sweating, thirsty, just icky feeling. Sleep last night: (not happy to report :cry:) Supplements: cortisol support taken in morning and early afternoon, (total of 600 mg ashwagandha, 400 mg rhodiola rosea root extract, 200 mg l-theanine). 200 mg 5-htp and 400 mg magnesium glycinate taken at 9:45. In bed at 9:55, on back, earplugs, prayer and breath. Up at 11, 1, and 2:30. Sick to my stomach at 1 and 2:30 :cry:. Very restless night sleep all night. Had weird pains at various times of the night, was awake several times that I didn’t get up. One of my friends pointed out yesterday that I should be taking the cortisol manager in the afternoon/evening instead of the morning/afternoon, so I will shift that today. I’m frustrated. In this lifelong sleep struggle, I seem to go 1 step forward, 2 steps back. Every time I try to fix it.
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(Karen) #473

Loving your terrier i had a toy Yorkie for 15 years. She was never poorly and only ever needed the vets for her booster jabs. Tiny little thing she was and kids always asked if she was a puppy even when she was an old lady! Your fur baby is very cute love the ears. Male or female.?


(Karen) #474

Up early today, not for any particular reason. I slept better last night. Up about 3 times for toilet trips but got back to sleep okay and seemed to sleep quite heavy although still dreaming cra,y dreams! Moon 8s waning!

Stair runs done and just had fairly restful day. Every time i go to the shed the Robin comes to greet me. There are 2 as I noticed this morning but the male is definitely more friendly. As soon as I go down there he is coming up close and personal to see what I have got. Thought he was going to feed from my hand but just got spooked by a crow squawking above. He came within a foot of my face as I sat on the big planter…exciting!

Just went out for a little trip to a couple of charity shops and took Raymond with me to give him a trip out. We were out a couple of hours but it felt very cold today. Picked up a lovely vase and an Italian china planter also a large pair of wooden clogs which will look pretty dandy with some plants inside. Good colour to go with my walls and patio too.

Brunch was just after 11 and it was chicken sauted in butter with melted cheese. And dinner was 1 pork chop and 2 lamb chops. Also had some cheese and just eaten 2 large hard boiled eggs prior to bed. Kind of hoping they help me sleep lol.


#475

Sproutarian sounds time-consuming… I lost patience when I have read about soaking poppy seeds and drying them on raw vegan sites (all the big amount that goes on a proper sized dried fruit not-pasta… it’s pretty tasty, by the way just not really food, rather some snack or dessert). I rather sprouted them :slight_smile: Once.
Lots of vegs would make me so starving! Carbs have that effect on me. And where was the food? :smiley: Nuts are more satiating but they have their limits… I always depended on lots of fatty animal protein. Except maybe in my 1-2 eggless times I don’t remember…? But I surely ate copious amounts of dairy and some plants are satiating, I just need lots of protein and insane amounts of fat and I am not hungry on a very planty diet. I wasn’t hungry on my few plant-based days but they were even low-carb. But this is me, I always had a few dietary rules I had to follow, I felt it inside quite strongly.
I only had a single jar of sprouts at a time but

  1. it’s a chore. not a big one but it wasn’t worth it after I had my experience points and my fun. I only sprouted seeds a few times
  2. I dislike leaves so I didn’t want to eat much of the thing
  3. not very important but I am a sensitive one, weeding is a hard task too but mass-eating living baby plants is on another level… My limits and big barriers are elsewhere than in normal people or something and certain thoughts stick…

But the main thing is my sprouts were pretty useless and not tempting. It was just a few occasion fun because I am curious and want to try various things - even if I am sure it’s not right for me like low-fat. I did that for a whole day once, at fatphobic level at that, to get the xp for that too.
I had an egg fast… Not day but 7-8 hours, I so respect myself that I lasted for so long.
I had 1.5 days of fat fast, it was useful.
I did 10g net carbs when I was miserable with only 40, it was useful too. Since that day I NEVER considered 40g net carbs horribly low. Maybe not enough for my actual desires but not horribly low. Of course carnivore came (years later) and I think about these very differently (40g net carbs is still quite low but quite livable for me… even for longer term I think though I didn’t try that).

I still couldn’t try lean eating (without the fatphobic thing I did for one day)… Maybe it’s not in my possibilities now. I had low-fat keto days (I remember one but I rarely but regularly has 80g fat, that’s low-fat, right? It is to me. Even if it’s almost 60%… I could go down to 45-50% on my carbiest - percentage wise - days in the past. It meant a huge amount of fat as I only could do that with massive overeating… So low-fat is physically tricky for me, no matter my woe.)


I tracked since the last time. Wonderful macros. Today I managed 63% fat, oh this leaner pork works wonderfully. It wasn’t a whole pound today but I ate several eggs again.
I went 1000 kcal below yesterday’s guesstimation as I should (protein dropped 90g, just perfect) without trying, just eating whatever I wanted… Yesterday was my relax-after-fasting-attempts and getting-back-my-appetite high-cal day, I have no regrets, I didn’t even start to eat carbs galore as usually when dietary things tire me out, wonderful. I came a long way. And it’s January but I have priorities. My well-being is first, rules are second at best.

Chest workout (with the 22.5kg weight, it is much to me, okay? it’s just right for Alvaro and me both but he can press more. maybe because I don’t give my all every time) done right after dinner, not the best idea but I already skipped it twice. I still need to do the back exercises, it’s not even midnight… One day I wish to make my full workout in a few hours…


(Judy Thompson) #476

Mimsy is female. Your yorkie sounds like he was adorable!


(Judy Thompson) #477

I love what I’m doing now. Then, I’d already been veg for 10 years and just wanted to drop 50 lbs and cure my dad’s diabetes and heart disease. It did, but less than a year later he was back to American food so he just got sick again.
That said, all the diets were great adventures. It is carbs that kill me now, so here I am!


(Linda ) #478

Today first meal was just after 1pm I ate the lamb hock cold.
2nd meal was about 8pm it was one of the beef shanks done as a steak…it came out of the oven looking somewhat dry and the look on my husbands face I could tell he was expecting it to be like leather since it was 20 hours in the oven…

But no it was so tender it just fell apart in the mouth so he was pleasantly suprised… since its such a tough meat.
So the weight started bouncing… today up a pound.


#479

Holding the line, so far. Not sure what sort of fresh hell this is, but crossing from Tennessee over into Georgia, the allergies went NUTS. Sneezed my way through 2 days in GA, then all the way to Panama city.

Taken damn near anything and everything there is. Allegra did NOTHING. Claritin helped a bit more. Benadryl knocked me out, and worked the best- but only for 2-3 hours. Just went to Wallyworld, and got a Sudafed- which isn’t allergy per se, but has at least opened the breathing.


#480

Feel for you. I live with that in NC here. I lived up North I never had an allergy/sinus issue in my life…moved here and BOOM. I tell ya life is rough with whatever the hell grows down here in the South :slight_smile:

sounds delish Azi, glad you surprised him with it being so delish!

I sure did the ground beef walk :slight_smile: I am 85/15 or 90/10 or even 93/7. I loved 73/27 and 80/20 for alot of years til I had to dump that burger fat content. Less burger fat is a good thing for me and the leaner beef eats more like a steak to me.

@JJFiddle
Mimsy is freakin’ adorable! I have a Papillion and one of his best features is his fly away ears like your poochie :slight_smile: too cute.

--------------------Defrosting a bunch of chicken breasts for dinner tonight for all of us. I will have a Tbone steak as first meal and just finish off the day with some chicken.

Holding good on plan, feeling ok and all that. Just cruisin’ along and finishing off Jan and into Lion Feb. Gonna be interesting to see if I can hold Lion. I am one now on plan who flips in pork, fowl and seafood for sure. Dropping them might be a tad much for me but I sure am gonna try it and see how I do but one thing I DO KNOW is even if I go to Lion for Feb and default into some seafood or chicken or pork…I won’t ever feel like I ā€˜did something wrong’ LOL No way eating other meat could be wrong for me on this lifestyle :slight_smile: Will be interesting for me tho.


(Daisy) #481

Awww my pet pig has the same name! Different spelling. Mimzi :smiling_face_with_three_hearts: