Clean Carnivore Crew, January 2022

[Fangs]

@robintemplin
yea that addiction word which is thrown around so easily is one of the biggest and most fierce issues on this planet!

@Septimius
I got top marks from YOU and I appreciate that cause I feel you are very very much like me on the ‘concept and point of view correlation’ of what ‘zc’ is supposed to be and how one approaches its best guidelines to ‘make it work’ for someone trying it. I noticed when you post I am just nodding my head is big agreement!!

I also connect with female carnivores cause I am that. Plus I connect very well with Charles Washington in that he is not that damn over the top body builder type like Baker and Chaffee that are all about the muscle, he just eats meat to the max, got health, does marathons/runs cause that is what he loves to do in his life and in the bitter end, is one of the most quiet long term vets of it all but found all balances that work for him. He is my go to carnivore for all things carnivore from ‘that male’ influence to me’.

@Azi
SO agree with Dr C. Come into a drastic food lifestyle eating change like this and one must surely need to know real truths and not guess at what we might need based on so many studies saying this and that is best for us. What is best for us is knowing thru real bloodwork is key for each of us but darn who ever wants to do it LOL

fish oil if good one, sure can never hurt a carnivore

------------So for me on alcohol I am kinda wanting more now vs. when I started this lifestyle.

In that right now I hit that ‘flux’ of life slapping me hard. Mom at my home at 93 and putting her now into retirement home and dealing with the short term memory etc. and hubby who is early retired when we quit the farm which was a monster biz and our ‘real jobs’ to boot and NOW ALL I want is freedom with kid one step from college and more.

I am like, the more I want out and MY TIME ONLY the more it competes against this is my family and we do for family at what expense ya know and I am thinking one thing I can do is have a drink easily…it changes my reality. It calms, soothes til the m’f’er takes me the other way to mean and resentful and more.

So I have to watch that booze for sure plus the body truly doesn’t want it, it shows me real fast so that is good! Carnivore controls a heck of alot in my life, yet I never give it that credit in a way ya know. Health keeps me more real which is a good thing in this day and age thru what addiction we choose to escape it all I think.

Ohhhh…

[Azi]

1st meal of the day picanha … not sure what I’ll eat later maybe lamb roast

Down another 2lbs this morning

[Karen18]

The electric lunchbox box… imagine a small lunchbox with 2 small compartments … think of a servery or hostess trolley but obviously very much scaled down. With a lid that clips on and electrical connections to ei a car cigarette lighter (for use in the car of course) and general plug for indoor use ( like at the office or in a hotel room) prep food, stick it in small compartments in box, lid on , plug in and heat for 30 minutes. Jobs a good’un when she is away facilitating courses she doesn’t always get access to a microwave to heat up her home made prepped food. She had mentioned it only last week that she didn’t know how she was going to eat according to her woe that week with no microwave and so when I saw it I just had to get it and hope it worked for her. I like it when I find the perfect gift for her

[Karen18]

Up before the alarm after another crap restless night. Hopefully once the moon has waned I will sleep a little better!

Up and stair runs done … eased a very sore back this morning! Then picked up by my daughter and off to Sherwood Forest. Thought we were going to Pines but no, because the Pines are a plantation and the Forest is natural. It made sense. Lovely 4.5 mile brisk walk around one of the trails. Day was a bit cold but mild with little wind which was nice. Ben always walks ahead with a purpose lol he just can’t wait to get round and into a cafe to chow down lol. Stopped on way home at roadside cafe and they had a Sunday carvery but also had a breakfast carvery which was great for me. 2 fried eggs, approx 4 fatty rashers of bacon and 2 cheapo style sausages. Now these normally cause me a bit of an upset tum but today I didn’t suffer … May just be Lidl’s cheapo ones that do it or the walk and being just ready to eat was the key? I don’t know but it was useful to find i could eat them without any upset tum!

Wasn’t very hungry when I got back home and just had some butter sauted chicken n melted cheese. May have a lamb chop later … we will see but not hungry yet.

Just a quick pic of The Great Oak, as it is the land of Robin Hood, Sherwood Forest, Nottinghamshire.

[Shinita]

@Fangs, the tracking is little nowadays, it’s the 2-3 hours cooking, baking and cleaning, the 2 hours of being in the kitchen for meals, the thinking about food in the shower etc. And it can’t be just turned off if it is ingrained in me since many years. I probably could do it to a big extent but I MUST cook and bake. I can get away with less but this week it was more WHILE I had my hunger for hours… And now my egg and meat aversion.

I just ease my ways, I so wanted to finish January right but oh well, I take a break.
My first and second lunch went fine enough but then I was hungry and definitely couldn’t stomach more meat or normal egg dish. It’s pretty bad as I can’t turn off my stubbornness, I tried a few bites of some totally non-carni food in desperation… Nope, I can’t eat them either, just a bite.
The problem with food aversion that if I heroically stick to the best items as long as I can, in the end I will hate all food in existence while starving. I would be a horrible long time starver, I would rather not eat the scraps available while survivers should use the opportunities. Maybe it would change after losing my extra fat… I just know that strong hunger isn’t enough for me to stomach food if I very much don’t want it.
I am sure my big determination is there. I want to stop? It doesn’t let me, it’s its own person. I never had this I think… If I decided I go off, it was easy. Even when I didn’t decide it, it happened now and then.
But it’s my own personal problem and eating early helped, the situation is better than yesterday and I am more willing to change my rules. I didn’t want to but that’s the better option. The basics are the same: I am as strict as I comfortably can. I just shouldn’t force things now, little problem, change of plan.
But it’s sad that I have all that roast and I don’t enjoy it. I eat it every day, sure but I can’t eat much. I rather eat eggs as it’s something I am used to but that’s tricky and more time-consuming than normal too. But it’s still quick, I like that egg dishes are usually easy and quick.

@JJFiddle: I didn’t even know that part of the view Those things are a bit farther, one needs to lean out of the window… And sunset and snow helped, normally they aren’t like that. Though it’s all green (and the rapeseed fields yellow when flowering) when winter is over…
But the normal view is really great too, we see the valley with many pines and other trees, the nearby huge pond and the neighbour montain range, it starts impressively, nothing of the tiny hills of our own… I LOVE seeing zillion trees instead of zillion people… And we have so, so, so much sunshine in winter here! My mood would be way worse without it.
But I start to miss the green forests… I never have a huge patience for winter. There are pretty things even then, I like cliffs and pines and some trees are striking without leaves (and one type of oak has leaves in winter, not many but quite a few orange-brownish ones, I like that), like my silver birches… They are way prettier with leaves though…

I think I will look at my non-winter photos and make some cute winter ones soon…

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I ate a lot today and it was still a keto day with mostly carnivore stuff (in the end I ate a decent amount of meat and many eggs. this is nice meat, I feel it, I just can’t eat much of it and I don’t enjoy it as much as I normally do), now back to carnivore. I really hope I will find my way and I won’t have such off eating out of necessity.
I am full. I really did my best to eat as much as I can, in a big eating window (7 hours, 4 meals)…

[robintemplin]

Your relationship with alcohol sounds pretty typical for most “normal” folks. I really can’t say I understand how or why someone becomes an alcoholic. I can only recognize it in hindsight.

I strongly believe there can be a genetic pre-disposition… but we may have to drink to certain unknown point, and then boom.

[Fangs]

Unhappiness in life to go toward addiction is the draw along with phsycial factors I am sure that wanes into it but most to me, on a personal note is longing in life for ? and requiring change that won’t ever come from inside a bottle…so to me as all addictions it starts in the brain in a way.

[Ketodaisy]

Day 25: meal one was a lamb steak and bone broth jello. Meal two was 2 giant New York strips. I only ate one and a half. I wanted to see if I could eat both and I really thought I could. But as I was finishing the first, I started feeling comfortable and it was a mild struggle to get through half of the second. But I often struggle to truly feel satiated, so it was an experiment .

[VirginiaEdie]

Well, funny how you mention salt. I’ve add to start adding some of the extra supplementation back in. I would like to get my BP back up to 100/60. I definitely don’t feel optimal with it lower. Also, my feet and calf muscles are starting to cramp at night again. I’m going to keep water at my new lower level. I figure with that and no Diet Coke I won’t need to supplement as much as I did previously.

[Shinita]

I could use some of your ability not to get bored of your food I have a way bigger variety and still do, to the point that it’s impossible to stomach some of my usual items. (Though I am sure many people would say they couldn’t eat my typical egg dishes and roasts so very often…)
I always see your jelly, is it still fun for you (if it was that to begin with)? That is an item that I probably would have bored quickly but I consider it fun, I just don’t know what to do with it, sometimes I eat it with my meat, sometimes I don’t use it as jelly but put it into my egg pudding… Usually I make sure it becomes some dense flavorful tiny thing below my meat but it’s risky and anyway, doesn’t work with very packed oven pans (as my jelly usually comes from my roasts. my soup is too soft jelly and I eat it as soup or egg pudding, not as jelly). I will eat some tomorrow, I think, I have a cup of it now.
I never made bone broth just a quicker soup from meaty bones, I probably don’t have a good idea about bone broth… But jelly is fun.

[JJFiddle]

one is searching usually and hits into carnivore for health fixes and more, most times going back truly isn’t an option. Carnivores truly know who carnivores should be

I believe I’ve always been a carnivore waiting to happen but clueless that it even existed in this form. As a kid I didn’t like bread or especially pizza, and always ate raw beef and the cartilage and marrow from chicken bones to the disgust of my family.
In my early 20s I became vegetarian, then vegan and sproutarian. But when I took that first bite of meat after 11 years, the fulfillment was beyond describable. Like that one bite made up for a decade of lost time. Then 20 years ago I went to a 12 step program and for 5 years followed a low fat diet, where I experienced breaking hair, early menopause and dryness of… Well, everything. I left it for the high fat Weston Price Foundation and gained the 80 pounds back.
Following that, low carb and keto for 10 years.
So now I get to come full circle. Hoping that weight comes off again, it’s hot here in the summer (hot everywhere.) but health. That’s the best benefit.

[Shinita]

Wow, you tried so much! Probably low-fat too, vegans are rarely high-fat (if I ever was a vegan, I would have been that, obviously. I remember 2 low-fat days in my life - fasts and starving don’t count - , once out of curiosity and once on keto for whatever reason, don’t remember. low-carb is my room 101, if I got into that but would be free to move inside, I would find the lowest-carb corner. or not as give me death soon and I surely would die on HCLF quicker)…
I was merely vegetarian for 8 years (obviously high-fat, carbs went from high to 40g net) and almost vegetarian for decades after. When I ate some little meat somewhere, it was a disappointment. I had GREAT pork in my childhood so I knew that’s about the best tasting food ever for me. I was a pork lover vegetarian, I merely didn’t eat meat but liked it best, it was okay, I didn’t suffer, I hadn’t even any access to good pork. So, even after that time, I felt store-bought meat tasteless for some reason and only had good meat in restaurants here and there. I wonder about this sometimes as I don’t feel that now. Maybe I buy different ones or I changed, possibly both.

I wish you great success! (And to me a tiny success. It’s not easy to be me nowadays.)

I am very rambunctious today, I got a little appetite and ate for the 5th time, pork suddenly got tempting and who am I to say no to myself? It felt very very nice. But I am a tad too full at the moment. And guesstimation says it’s a borderline record, 222g protein. Oh well. I am sure I needed this amount of meat and protein after this weaker week, it will drop tomorrow anyway… I definitely needed enjoying my meat.
Almost a pound of pork thigh and I ate some fish, chicken, tongue, liver and more than 10 eggs…
It’s reassuring I still can eat and my food aversion went away. I almost started to worry.
(I still don’t want to see boiled eggs or scrambled eggs in the near future. Or pork shoulder. But my other staples are welcome.)

[Ketodaisy]

could use some of your ability not to get bored of your food I have a way bigger variety and still do, to the point that it’s impossible to stomach some of my usual items. (Though I am sure many people would say they couldn’t eat my typical egg dishes and roasts so very often…)
I always see your jelly, is it still fun for you (if it was that to begin with)?

I could literally eat the same food every single meal, every single day. I’ve always been like that. Growing up, I could eat cereal for every meal, every day. Every single day of my 4 years of high school, I ate 2 packs of donut sticks out of the vending machine. I am definitely a creature of habit . My husband is like you, he can’t stand anything more than a couple times, then there’s no convincing him to eat it again until he wants it! I’ve just never been that way. Yes, I still love my bone broth jello! It is fun and I just prefer it cold. If I drink it warm, I have to add more salt and I don’t want to lol

[Azi]

Dinner was lamb hock I cooked two… one will be for one meal tomorrow.

I went shopping for more meat to stock up again and since I love lamb hocks so much decided to try beef shank in the new oven… since its a tougher meat we will see how it comes out.

Grabbed some more picanha while i was at it, some bacon and some country style pork ribs, pork chops too…l…the inside freezer is about half full now lol…

[JJFiddle]

Probably low-fat too, vegans are rarely high-fat (if I ever was a vegan, I would have been that,

When I was sproutarian I ate 5 avocados a day and still lost weight! I wish I could have done that now, lol

[JJFiddle]

@azi so looking forward to hearing how the sous vide oven does! I love my sous vide, use it at least a couple times a week. Do not see an $800 sous vide oven in my near future but vicariously, I’d love to hear!

[JJFiddle]

pork suddenly got tempting and who am I to say no to myself?

Shinita I always enjoy reading your posts!

@Naghite interesting food, beef heart and testicles. I made beef heart from our VA farmer once and hubby was enjoying it til he asked me what it was - he never ate another bite!
When the place up the road has its “testicle festival”, the hand lettered sign out front says “have a ball!”
I aim to try them sometime. We play there every week.

[Azi]

Lol yeah no I didn’t pay 800 for this lol it was under 600…it air fries, convection, dehydrates sous vide… so far food has been pretty good out of if I’ve got ribs in it right now. But yeah with beef prices through the roof if I can make cheap meats taste great it will pay for its self lol…(well thats my thinking when I was looking at it and hubby decided it was a good idea) I cant afford to eat rib eyes or even strip steak daily at the prices they are and it seems the price you pay depends where you live lol…meat is more expensive here in florida than it was in nebraska…

[FrankoBear]

Borrowing from the Paleo people with their autoimmune protocol as I look for a “cleaner” way of eating carnivore foods and chasing inflammation relief.

Ref: https://www.thepaleomom.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/AIP-Quickstart-Guide.pdf

I’m going to try steak for breakfast. I must admit I have a twinge of the “I can’t give ups”. As in, “I can’t give up my pizza” that keto newbies often say as they reveal their food addictions. Bye, bye eggs and dairy. Clean Start Carnivore January has brought me to this.

Halved my prednisone/cortisone dose this morning to find benefit with less side effects. Fasting blood glucose = 112 mg/dl (6.2) and blood ketones = 0.2mmol/L.

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I was working in the UK in the early 1990’s and remember visiting Nottinghamshire. I was working in South Yorkshire (Doncaster) .

The Great Oak, as it is the land of Robin Hood, Sherwood Forest, Nottinghamshire.

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Looks like I am wobbling my way, step-by-step, to clean and simple style carnivore. To get there, some of us need the step ladder. To get to Fangs and Daisy style carnivore.

One thing I notice is that if I add iron supplementation, I have no cravings for liver. If I add choline supplementation, I have no cravings for eggs. If I add DHA/EPA oil supplementation, I have no cravings for fish.

Super interesting.

…if I supplement with collagen, my interest in chicken wings plummets. If I take it out, after a while I start thinking about chicken wings again.

Yes, it is, and frames carnivore supplements as a handy lever, or support, another step to try along the way.

[Alecmcq]

Preparing my just in case snack pile…