Cheryl's 90 Day Carnivore Challenge: Started on Nov 01 going through to Feb 29, 2020


(Daisy) #582

I can’t recall eating anything with gluten. I’ve eaten a lot of nuts/nut butter the last 2 weeks and I realized a collagen I used in some treats I made had stevia in them, but I can’t think of anything I would have eaten with gluten. I’ve been gorging myself on processed meats/cheeses and fat bomb treats (all made mostly with coconut, nuts, butter and collagen powder) and have felt terrible eating so much lol.

Bob brought to my mind that I did eat gluten the Saturday after thanksgiving. Don’t know if that could have caused the problem a month later or not


#583

LOL time too rein it in obviously…if ya said ya feel bad we always gotta remember that eating for our health always beat eating against our health. And if you were eating cleaner, just adding back in more junky stuff can easily cause who knows what…toxins come back full force with little effort when we eat off a bit. Toxins ingested show thru our skin and all thru out body. Worse thing is as we do that we have to detox from it all again. ugh. I know tho, I had to walk thru a lot of off eating and more before I found a firmer stance in this journey. People walk their path as they must. One which will become more straight and narrow for them down the line, they grow as they change and all of us grow in this WOE when we want it. But it is a very personal journey for all of us.


#584

Scales are evil! :wink:


#585

Darn right they are HAHA


(Mark Nelson) #586

Food check in
2/2/2020
30oz of coffee black
16oz rib eye
2oz goat cheese
1tbsp butter
72oz water
4 eggs
1/2 lb ground beef cooked in fat skimmed from bone broth
3 cups bone broth

This morning, I actually did some intentional “exercise”. Just some warm up things that lasted about 5 min but I’m actually feeling it. I know I shouldn’t feel embarrassed for saying I did 5 min of warm up movements, but there it is, my own mind trying to make value judgements around something beneficial. Damn trauma response!


#587

Great post!

Nope on embarrassment. Doesn’t exist. We all journey as we must.
So this is you walking point blank to a better you and you are feeling it internally…that little voice saying you are healing and you are gonna move more and more thru your life and tackle it all as you see fit.

Hey you might not want ‘exercise’ as in lifting weights/gym type thing.
You might be like me…I hate ‘exercise scheduled’, I do outside stuff. Kayak, bike, ride horses, hike mountain trails, walk hrs and hrs sightseeing and more. So any way you move your body will never ever be a bad thing.

your 5 mins. now will bring you into so much good later :slight_smile:

You find what ya love and go straight for it. Lifting, cool. Jogging. Cool. Kayaks and hikes. Cool. You do you at all times, the crap ya love in moving and you will never be wrong!!! You are the key factor here, do you and nothing in life will be wrong ever :slight_smile: :slight_smile:


(Jenna Ericson) #588

This was a great Podcast! I realized while listening that my story is eerily similar to Siobhan’s in some ways. I gained a lot of weight between the ages of 10 and 12 and was told by my doctor at age 12 that I was overweight and should eat healthier and exercise more. That wasn’t really specific enough to be helpful as I already ate a Standard American diet and was a pretty active kid. That year in health class I was told that girls my age should be eating 1200 calories a day and after doing a food log for a week I realized I was eating more than that. When I realized this, I finally had a solution. I cut my calorie intake and stopped eating breakfast to make it easier to eat less calories. I started exercising on my own too…doing sit ups in my room, jumping rope in the middle of the night. All this time I was hiding my new habits from everyone in my life for, idk, disordered eating reasons…I lost about 25 lbs between the time I was 12 and 14. I got to a weight I was happy with, but found it was very hard to maintain the calorie deficit. I was hungry all the time and very food focused. I continued looking for answers because I thought there was something wrong with the fact that I could only eat 1200 calories and it seemed that some women could eat upwards of 2000 a day without gaining weight.

In 2016 I read the book Grain Brain which I think is the first time I heard the term ketosis. My mom had done the Atkins diet so I was also familiar with low carb that way. Because I was kind of immersed in diet research in my spare time I eventually stumbled on the keto diet and then started listening to 2 Keto Dudes. I’ve now listened to every episode at least once and about half of them twice. I guess that because of my experience losing weight as a kid, learning about diet became inherently reinforcing, fueling a bit of an obsession. The especially eerie similarity between Siobhan and my stories is my experience at Ketofest. I went last year and it was literally on my birthday. My husband got me the ticket as a present and my mom paid for the Airbnb (for anyone who didn’t listen to the podcast Siobhan also went to Ketofest for her birthday). I probably looked a bit out of place as I was younger than the average attendee, but I was legit living my best life. I also ugly cried through Amy Berger’s entire talk about habits related to one’s relationship with food.

Getting back to the topic of cholesterol, I have a guess about why LDL goes up in response to inflammation. First, for me at least, I think metabolic dysregulation happens for three reasons, all having to do with things that raise insulin. The first is obviously carbohydrates. The second is an excess of polyunsaturated fat in the diet, which also causes more insulin production. The third is inflammation. Instead of saying inflammation, maybe I should say an overactive immune system in response to foods that the body does not recognize for whatever reason. I believe the reason this would cause higher insulin is that immune responses demand glucose and glucose demands insulin.

So, what does this have to do with LDL? If inflammation demands glucose and glucose demands insulin, this may flip a switch to cause you to store fat rather than burn it. This means that when fat comes in with food, rather than being used as fuel, it is immediately stored. It’s my understanding that a main function of LDL is to transport body fat from the liver to be used as energy throughout the body. So if you have high levels of insulin, the major way that your body will use fat is probably during the night when you are finally tapping into fat that was stored rather than being used as it came in with your diet. Someone who is insulin resistant due to a diet high in carbs, polyunsaturated fats and inflammatory foods will have high LDL because they are having to transport body fat for energy rather than using chylomicrons to transport triglycerides from food. I might be off on some of the technical terms, but I think my general thought process holds up.


#589

Terrific post @jennasaurus


#590

Fangsy you are obviously a natural as a health coach. But are you a health coach? You should be a health coach (carnivore version).


#591

I’m from the south. From the south of everywhere. In upsydownsyland. South West Western Australia.

I was reading this thread from the start for a bit of reflection as I think the challenge has passed the half way time point.

As for grass fed beef. That’s the only type that I can get from the butcher. It costs more for grain finished as that is a special food. So I buy the cheap grass reared and finished beef. Same goes for seafood. The cheap stuff is the local wild caught from the ocean I can hear when I step outside into the summery sunshine. It costs more to buy the farm reared salmon (from Tasmania or Norway) or Barramundi (a delicious white meat fish).

Because I’m from upsydownsyland my posts and approach to the challenge are topsy turvy. I find your posts when I wake up and write my posts while y’all are asleep. I wonder if I have outsulin resistance?

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I injured my right leg in a surfing incident 3 months ago. There were significant internal injuries to the calf muscle and ankle with bruising and haematoma formation from cutting a significant blood vessel. I also cut a nerve branch.

Since being accidentally OMAD so far for 2020 and in association with the New Years Day atrial fibrillation episode (low electrolytes) I’ve also noticed the peeling skin symptoms of oxalate dumping on that injured right leg. There is something about oxalates being sequestered or accumulating at sites of injury or inflammation.

Here is a photo of the red dots that can appear (on my right heel) before skin scale follows:

Skin scale on my right leg in the areas that were injured and are still healing

The next step is trying to find oxalate crystals in these lesions… I need a microscope.


(Aimee in wonderland 🐰) #592

So is this where you only eat meat and dairy and cut out veggies?? Do you have troubling going to the toilet though? Will I be in ketosis if I only eat meat, dairy and no sugar or veggies??


#593

Hi Aimee. There will be more reliable carnivores along soon. Until they arrive you can get some guessed answers from the apprentice.

  • So is this where you only eat meat and dairy and cut out veggies?
    You probably will have to do that at home. But, yes, we discuss it here. Welcome.

  • Do you have troubling going to the toilet though?
    Crikey, what a question. Brilliant. Straight to it. :open_mouth::smile: Answer is no.

  • Will I be in ketosis if I only eat meat, dairy and no sugar or veggies?
    Most likely you will. Depends from where you start. Ketosis can be maintained due to the low insulin effect of very low dietary carbohydrate intake. But if you are slim already, there may be some nuances around adjusting dietary fat and protein to get the ketosis levels you want.


(Aimee in wonderland 🐰) #594

Lol, i certainly not slim. I used to be anorexic but recovered and then gained a shitload. Thanks for the advice. It’s only day 4 on keto for me, is it better to wait until I’m fat adapted on keto?


#596

Welcome to Keto and finding out more about yourself and food.

With an eating disorder history it may be best to do the dietary change with a medical support team?

I think it is best to introduce your body to nutritional ketosis. There is this thing called ‘fat adaptation’ when starting Keto that is best to get sorted out first.

I was 4 years Keto before attempting carnivore. Unfortunately carnivore is trendy now and people jump in without knowing what is happening to them.

This is a good resource:

Explore the Search function on the forum home page. There are lots of excellent threads for starting out and for people coming from different life experiences with different goals for the dietary change.

https://www.ketogenicforums.com/c/newbies/getting-started

Welcome Aimee

Like I said a more responsible and knowledgeable ketonian or carnivore will be along soon to help you out.


(Aimee in wonderland 🐰) #597

Wow, Thank you so much


#598

No. Sure not a health coach. I just repeat things I was told by others. I realized thru other’s experiences teamed with mine that the small victories are so important that I just like to encourage others. It is the fight I did, other’s helped me a ton! and I might as well help someone else go thru it also :slight_smile: Paying it forward :slight_smile:


#599

food yesterday was

1.5 lb. snow carb legs with butter
1/2 lb. cheeseburger patty

5 sausage links
8 slices bacon

Sadly I am running out of my good deal in my freezer I got on crab legs :frowning: ahhh, I will keep my eyes open for more good sales and reload if I can. I love crab.

Holding plan well. Feeling wonderful. Just carnivore cruising along :slight_smile:


(Edith) #600

I get joint issues from the dumping.

Years ago we bought a microscope for our kids called a Dino lite. It hooks up to our computer and puts the image on the monitor. The microscope is attached to a chord so you can move it around and look at all kinds of fun things. You would be able to look at your skin on your leg. I think the max magnification is 200x.

https://www.dino-lite.com/
We bought a relatively cheap one since it was four our kids.


#601

This can go either way :slight_smile: :slight_smile: Some jump right into carnivore like it was made for them their whole life and do so well.

But it is a very limiting food category. Meat/seafood/some dairy if you can tolerate it. So this limiting factor can truly monkey with some people.

Most of us carnivores find our way here thru walking the steps…regular old low carb, into more LC, into extreme LC, hit the Keto Plan lifestyle and then find carnivore plan lifestyle and those who need, desire and want carnivore benefits and find our best life is in this realm…jump in and hold the line and make it their lifestyle.

So whichever you choose, best of luck to you :slight_smile: If you adopt carnivore then come on in and chat up. We got carns that can give you great advice :slight_smile:

Any very low carb plan is going to help you so much, some of us want carnivore in our lives cause we believe the science that the plant toxins hurt our bodies, we want junk our of our bodies and the physical body only requires meat and fat for survivial. Not one plant/one carb ever needs to invade our bodies ever so with that in mind, a lot of carnivores come here for that reason. I am one of those LOL

Take you time, find what suits you best, how you do thru it all and if you have carni questions pop in and chat up :slight_smile:


(Andrea) #602

I don’t mean to hijack with a silly question, so please ignore me if this isn’t appropriate.

I’ve been on keto/carni for nearly 3 years now but I’ve never done a “clean” carni test. I’m planning on doing a month of meat, eggs and coffee only (i.e. no diary…eek!!). I’m a bit on the fence with eggs but I do have a neighbour who keeps her own chickens so I have a ready supply of non-factory eggs.

Anyway, my thought is 1lb of beef or lamb per day, maybe some fish (tuna or white fish) and eggs every day.

Does that sound like enough food (F, 43)? I’ve not got much weight to lose, a bigger issue for me is healing given I’ve got arthritis.

Thanks
Andrea