Cheryl's 90 Day Carnivore Challenge: Started on Nov 01 going through to Feb 29, 2020


(Mark Nelson) #462

Yesterday I didn’t eat my t-bone steak before the Christmas event.
That being said I kept my food choices to sliced chicken breast and sliced pork. There was a tiny bit of sauce on the pork but all told it would add up to less than a half of a teaspoon.

oh and lots of butter that was meant for the bread :slight_smile:

Then dinner.

I planned to be awesome … went to a favorite restaurant in Hillsboro, OR called Copper River. Ordered the 14oz rib eye cooked rare. I meant to say “no sides” but strangely enough it sounded more like “all veggies please”. So the steak came out and a double helping of asparagus sauteed in butter and salt.

Now I don’t know if you know how tricky buttered and salted asparagus is, but son of a gun if when I went to take a bit of my steak those asparagus spears jumped on to the tines of my fork and were in my mouth before I could notice! I realize that this is unbelievable, but it happened a 8 more times!

Anyway all in all it wasn’t the worst that could have happened.


(Edith) #463

I cook pot roast in a Dutch oven in my oven at 300 degrees F for 3-4 hours and it comes out awesome.


(Daisy) #464

Sneaky little asparagus!


(Mark Nelson) #465

I’ll have to plan better next time.
Right now my Mon - Wednesday schedule is such that I leave the house at 6:30am ish and get home by 9pm ish.

Thursday and Friday are unknowns (like this week I have nothing on calendar but I’ll be doing some work for two non profits at home until bed time) and the weekends are wonky!

I’m tired just from typing that schedule!


#466

too darn funny!! I loved reading this…no it isn’t the worst :slight_smile: :slight_smile:


(Not a cow) #467

Wow, that’s a great explanation of what you do Mark, you could sell those puppies, er I mean cookies, just freeze them up and off to the market. haha. I just made a couple, took 1/lb medium ground beef, split into two, rolled them into a snowball, flattened it out in my palm, slapped it in the fryer, salted, medium heat for about the same time, and then flipped it every minute until it looked like it was well done. Momma told me not to eat my burgers rare ! Hard to resist, but i still ate my rib-eye instead.


(Mark Nelson) #468

Thanks Moo :slight_smile: chatting about it has my mouth watering a bit even though I’m still full from the t-bone at lunch :slight_smile:


(Not a cow) #469

Haha, don’t know if they are going to last the night, but I’m planning on having them tomorrow with bacon and eggs and some chicken thighs.


(Not a cow) #470

I did that too last week, slow cooked a sirloin roast with beef broth half way up. 8 hours on low, and so dry, whats with that? It was my first slow cooker roast, but won’t be my last, as i fixed that dryness with a nice butter dipping sauce though. Was scrumptious and no longer dry to my mouth.


#471

This happened last time I tried carnivore at about the 21 day mark. It’s interesting that @Ketodaisy Daisy hit a bump at 3 weeks as well (21d). The oxalate hypothesis certainly makes it onto the differential diagnosis list.

This time on the carnivore challenge I noticed that I started getting foot cramps (under my feet) when active earlier this week. Then developed hand/finger cramps following on from that. I maintained my 3600mg daily magnesium citrate. I also had eye crusties and a slight increase in awareness of tinnitus.

Then on Wednesday night after a feed of lambs ribs. I didn’t feel satisfied. I felt agitated. It had been a hot day again and I had been active in it swimming and surfing (bathing in seawater/salt). I had a bowl of frozen blueberries and macadamia nuts, a handful of each. Bam! I got heartburn and that triggered atrial fibrillation.

So I dosed extra magnesium (lots) about 1800mg extra and went to bed. I wasn’t keen on a midnight trip to hospital (again). My heart rate was 120 - 150+ bpm, when it’s normally 60 or less. Woke at 3:40am still in AF and had more magnesium. 4am, no change and starting to get chest pain, more magnesium and a beta blocker. Woke up again at 7 am, heart now just in arrhythmic palpitations, a bit nauseating to feel, occasional runs of fast heart beats. I took more magnesium. The aim was to dose oral magnesium to intestinal tolerance/laxative effect. And started to get dressed and ready for a day in hospital with enthusiastic E&D doctors. Then it all went away, my heart rate went back to 60bpm.

So I went to the beach instead and had an omelette breakfast at 2pm.

I still have hand joint aches and some teeth soreness today. Heart rate is fine.

It’s interesting to note the 21 day wall hit for me both times in moving from Keto to carnivore. But it is obviously not due to a detrimental direct carnivore diet effect. More of a complicated, my body is healing with the carnivore diet, but having an adverse effect to the toxin dumping. Or is that semantics?

Can people be too sick to get healthy?

The other interesting note in this n=1 experience is that I never got to laxative point with massive doses of oral magnesium, so that lines up with oxalic acid binding.

A potential dietary mitigation is to drink coffee (oxalate containing) and eat some dark chocolate.


(Edith) #472

One of the things I read to help prevent severe oxalate dumping is to slowly decrease oxalate foods over time. Oxalate dumping can be pretty severe.

Maybe this link will help:
http://oxvox.com/oxalate-dumping-symptoms-what-to-expect/

Edit: Btw, I’m impressed with how calmly you seemed to handle the Afib.


(Edith) #473

Hum… Is this a dumping symptom?


#474

Thank you for posting this. I’m looking forward to giving it a good listen! :+1:

I make my chuck roasts in the crock pot all the time. Put 'em in with no fluids but with a big chunk of tallow on top (or butter/ghee) and cook it from 7 or 8 am to around 3pm. My husband is always on cloud 9 when I make those, lol.


#475

I wouldn’t be surprised. On keto I was addicted to nuts (and nut flours) big time and I’m still having cycles of what I’d call oxalate dumping, grrrrr.


#476

One of the gals on the TLO (Trying Low Oxalates) group goes so far as to say “it’s oxalate until proven otherwise!” and I tend to agree.

Ref: http://oxvox.com/oxalate-dumping-symptoms-what-to-expect/

Thanks for the link Edith.

When I first had recurrent bouts of paraoxysmal AFib I ended up in hospital emergency quite a few times. Mainly due to fear, because it’s distressing to have one’s heart go wonky. Akin to falling in love, but the cause is not so well established. The younger doctors like to run tests and tell me I’m having a heart attack. I’ve learnt not to go to emergency in the evening because they are very good and attentive and wake me up every hour to check if I’m alive. The no sleep compounds the unwellness and takes a few days to recover. So it is better to go in the morning and take a good book.

Since the first few episodes I learnt about AFib and what I can do to manage it and treat an attack. I haven’t needed a doctor’s medical intervention for about 18 months. Though I did spend a night in Emergency this year (when I got to 21d on carnivore in September), but I had pretty much sorted out the problem before I got to the Emergency front door.

The oxalate dumping hypothesis works in well with the paroxysmal Afib in my case. It takes out some of the idiopathic component. Especially as this is the second time I’ve had a run at carnivore and found that around the 3 week mark things happen, or change. And now that has been repeatable (n=1).

We haven’t talked much about the Carnivore/LOD (low oxalate diet) honeymoon period in these carnivore threads, as yet.… We need a different word than 'honey’moon.

I’ll modify the carnivore approach. may add tea, more coffee, and/or chocolate. I’ll see where the link you provided takes me.

Another interesting thing I’ll note is that the oxalate dumping symptoms, leading up to the Afib flip, coincided with an increase in morning, fasted blood ketones. Usually on ketocarnivore I have 0.1mmol/L of Bhb fasted in the morning and for the first two weeks of carnivore a slightly higher blood glucose of 5.7 - 5.9 mmol/L. In the past week my morning ketones have been 0.3mmol/L and the BG has dropped back to my standard nutritional ketosis level fasted of 4.9 to 5.2mmol/L. So there may be a biomarker indicator (warning for me) that an Afib episode is imminent if/when I notice this shift.

Hooray for biohacking! As Ivor Cummins says, “If you don’t measure it, you can’t fix it.”

Caveat: obviously this is all observational conjecture… but if a few people pop up with similar observations, we may be on to something.


(Daisy) #477

I agree with you and may be modifying my approach a bit. I’m trying to start introducing this theory of self L.l.l.l.l.love (I can’t say it without stuttering lol) and accepting my body the way it is. I believe in doing that, I’ll have better results.

I ate some cold cuts and a little cheese last night and got sicker than I’ve been in the last few weeks. Felt like I was dying. So I decided to purposefully eat a couple ounces of unsweetened chocolate. I didn’t try to hide it, I didn’t scarf it down… I slowly ate it and savored it. I felt better and slept better. The night before, I took a teaspoon of raw honey for a sore throat and also slept better than I usually do.

Normally like clockwork, I am up every 2 hours, sometimes more often. But both last night and the night before, I got a straight 4 hour stretch.


#478

wow that was an interesting post for sure :wink:

Sorry you are dealing with tough situations like that!~

I don’t think you can be too sick to heal but there are medical situations where we just aren’t going to be perfect with carnivore. I mean some medical situations are their own being you know, their own level of action in the body so carnivore won’t be a save all ever from all of it we have to handle in our bodies.

I think many will have to go thru some tough situations to heal. Have a harder row to sow on these changes.

But I think everyone can improve so much on carnivore but we also have to be aware it certainly isn’t a magic bullet for everything.

very interesting read on all this!


#479

food yesterday was

1 lb. ribeye. This was delish. I cooked it perfect for me. I love when I get it absolutely right where I like it to be…I flash fry stuff so a lot of times I overcook by that tiny bit but this time I hit it perfect…I didn’t walk away from the stove top!

5 link sausage
2 cheddar chunks

Still fighting some cravings. I just want ‘junk’. Just feel like I wanna go into the abyss of eating whatever I want cause I can do just that, but obviously I will feel polluted inside if I go there.

Fixating on old favorites. Not a good head space. I need to change it up in thinking. I get it into my head that going in that direction is nothing but misery for me but sometimes that isn’t enough to keep me from really wanted old crap favorites. Food like that holds no value, only a bad situation that would turn into a worse situation.

So holding strong but also fighting some weirdo craving thinking in my brain LOL I guess it is the holiday. Just too much fancy holiday food around that seems to be in my face at every turn.

That is why I love Cheryl’s challenge. It gave me that accountability needed to hold my course. It let me latch onto something else when my mind starts to crave back the old foods. I can say I can’t go there, hey I am on a challenge not to go there LOL Hey it helps me :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

I think I will eat big beef today. No sausage, no cheeses, no ‘smaller foods’ like salami or chicken etc. I will ramp up the big beef cause when I get the body fed better I do so much better in my thinking.

So just chatting out some stuff I deal with and ways to work around it. I don’t think it is always easy for any of us all the time. A lot of things can make us want to go backward but I hold onto the fact that carnivore eating has given me so much, do I really want to go back into polluted eating? No I don’t. Been there, done that, and it was unhealthy so I will hold onto my plan and just relax a bit and let the cravings wash over me for I know they will, they will leave and all will be fine :wink:


(Mark Nelson) #480

Yesterday I ate
14 oz Tbone
about 2 tbls of goat cheese
4 oz of pork rinds
3 tbls of GF butter

About 8:30 last night I got the strongest urge for carbonated water. So much so that I ended up getting dressed and drove to the store to get 2 cases!

So odd.

I’ve been meaning to mention that since I’m not eating nose to tail, I’ve been supplementing with some beef organ capsules. I was listening to a carnivore podcast a few weeks ago and they were recommended if not eating nose to tail with the comment that even if its not as good for us as the unprocessed thing, it’s better than not taking it.


(Edith) #481

Liverwurst spread on pork rinds is not that bad. You might like that.