Nice one @marklifestyle. This topic got featured on the 2KD episode #108. Quite rightly too. Great topic 
Carrying the Message
MmmBacon
(Rob)
#42
marklifestyle
(Mark Rhodes)
#43
I just started listening. Now I think Iāll wait till tonight and listen together with the wife. I look forward to seeing her face when she hears itās ME! (fanboy gush) this week!
barefootbob
#46
I used to think that you had to be really smart and on the ball to be a doctor. Letās just say that my experience has taught me that while many are very bright, an awful lot of really dense people make it, too.
JEY100
(Janet)
#47
I have been blabbing about VLC/Keto for about 7 years to everyone and anyone who will listen, store clerks, gym friends, librarian, other cancer survivors. I made personal cards using a business card template on computer and Avery card paper. Front is only name and email, back is a few versions of favorite websites and book, Why We Get Fat. Appendix has Dr. Westmanās diet which is what I used. But that requires them to do some work.
Now, Diet Doctor has a triple fold, double sided brochure anyone can print out. This is a great introduction to why LCHF works and the diet itself. Have printed out a few copies to keep with me whenever diet comes up.
Now it is even easier to āCarry the Messageā
SchnoodleGal
(Amy )
#48
Mark - loved your share and count 2 more in on the Wisconsin Keto Band Wagon! A girlfriend of mine shared with me on January 16th and I made the transition that day. My husband has joined me and weāve never felt better. I have had 2 girlfriends tell me they want to know what Iāve done and are willing to try. My husband has a buddy at work that keeps asking questions. So the word is spreading! I also loved the suggestion from the 2Dudes to share with two friends. IT IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE!
jeannieo
(Jeannie Oliver)
#49
Lovinā this thread! I was inspired to add my two cents after a log conversation with a librarian when I checked out Mark Sissonās Keto Reset Diet this evening. She commented that she has heard good things about it and feels she needs to learn more. I answered a few of her questions, swapped personal stories, and discussed the best resources to get started. I hope I helped her!
My dear daughter (who is also a physician) handed me her copy of The Wahls Protocol as well as The Obesity Code when I visited over the holidays. She was turned on to keto through a Facebook group for women physicians, and has been using this WOE to lose weight and to self-treat for persistent inflammatory bowel disease. She recommended it for me to heal my non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. I had bought her a couple of good keto cookbooks for Christmas because they were on her Amazon wish list, and I spent the rest of my visit trying out some of the recipes.
I date my own keto journey beginning January 2. Because I was a little bit chicken hearted about giving up the carbs, I began with 18-hour fasts and 50 g of carb. That was so easy, right away I cut the carbs to 20 g.
I donāt own scales, but Iāve gained and lost so many times I can pretty well judge my weight based on which jeans are fitting me this week. (A long marriage and divorce from a personal trainer left me with an aversion to scales and body fat measurements.) I estimate that Iāve lost 20 pounds in 10 weeksāgoing from 185 to 165.
To get to the point, since going keto I have brought on board three friends who have long struggled with weight and health problems.
- Tara, who is exactly 60 inches tall, weighed over 200 pounds, and who suffered emotionally from being the only fat person in her family. I work with Tara and so we see each other about three days a week. Sheās my daily support system, sending me links to good videos and blogs and swapping recipes and ideas.
- Marcy, who lost over 100 pounds last year with CICO and working out like crazy every day. Now she has gained back about 40 pounds. Marcy has brought her significant other on board, and she is cooking a keto meal and sharing with her book club tomorrow night.
- Perhaps most importantly, my friend Kim, who listened with half an ear to us discussing keto over a card game. Kim was scheduled for carpal tunnel surgery a couple of weeks ago, but it was called off when her pre-op work up diagnosed her with full blown diabetes. The dear woman had ignored all the early warning signs, but faced with the hard facts she right away came to me for advice, hoping she can avoid becoming insulin-dependent. Sheās found a good doc who is supporting her decision to try LCHF to control her glucose. In addition, her husband and live-in mother-in-law are 100 percent on board with eating the keto way as well.
Iām NEARLY as happy with the results my friends are experiencing as I am with my own. Like many on this thread, I try to refrain from āover sellingā ketoāwhen you start listing all the benefits, it can sound like youāre selling snake oil. My heart goes out to strangers I see at the grocery store, the book store, and the pharmacy who appear to be unhealthy and unhappy with their bodies.
LindsaySue
#50
Iāve been very careful how I bring up my new ādietā but itās come up several times when eating around others. Both times there were people who knew nothing about it and a āknow-it-allā who had strong opinions about false statements about keto.
The first was a friend who is notorious for knowing everything about everything who stated āoh yeah I know someone whoās list 40lbs doing that but you got to be careful itās bad for the kidneysā¦ Also she eats bacon like every day! Thatās terrible for you!ā
Iāll be honest, Iām ashamed but I donāt argue with herā¦I wanted to have a good evening with friends I rarely see and didnāt have it in me.
The second time was another friendsā grandmother who is in great shape and is a pistol! Sheās in her mid 70ās in great form and still goes out to shovel, climbs the stairs etc. She knew several people on keto but also had some false ideas like itās not good long term and that I probably wasnāt getting enough protein (?).
I had just met the woman so I really didnāt feel comfortable arguing with her, but I did get a chance to explain the details of the health benefits of the diet to my friend later, at her request, so while she didnāt seem interested in taking it up herself, at least she got some good info.
marklifestyle
(Mark Rhodes)
#51
Oh we all know those people!
āOh, you do ATKINS, I know all about ATKINSā
Well the protocols are similar to the Atkins Induction phase, except the protein is much more moderate and the fat is only to satiety.
āRight, you do ATKINS. ATKINS doesnāt workā
Dr. Atkins was close to figuring it out. Follow Atkins but drop the protein and replace with more fat.
āNo, Atkins doesnāt workā
Okay then, glad we had this little chat.
brownfat
(Todd Allen)
#52
The Atkins diet exploded with tremendous popularity. I doubt that would have happened if people werenāt having success with it. There was also a strong movement to demonize the Atkins diet which I remember well because it prompted me to move in the opposite direction from Atkins which in hindsight accelerated the processes making me eventually need to go keto. I think peopleās negative impression of Atkins is more due to the demonization efforts than any shortcomings of the diet.
Iāve looked at what Dr. Atkins promoted. The biggest difference is he didnāt advise limiting protein or calories suggesting that for most people as their appetites normalize they naturally seek an appropriate level. He advised significant intake of low carb veggies which if followed would also limit any tendency to overeat protein or total calories. I believe he was mostly right although the currently common keto practice of counting protein grams might be helpful when one is in transition to a normalized appetite.
LizinLowell
(Liz )
#53
Yes, exactly, itās just like they are trying to do to Keto today. So frustrating. I remember they spread rumors he died of a heart attack from eating like he did! I was so mad. I lost 60 pounds on Atkins induction in 2003 and never regained all of it. He explained fat fasts and which veggies to eat. He explained blood sugars but I donāt remember learning about insulin levels. I donāt think I ate too much protein on it but I canāt remember.
That diet got me off sugar (my demon) for years. It stopped working for me for weight loss when I didnāt know how to get past the stall that eventually happened, that eventually always happens (despite knowing about fat fasts!!). Then, when I was desperate, a dietitian encouraged me to āeat a more balanced dietā so I went Paleo and added carbs back in through honey, fruits, sweet potatoes, yay! Permission to carb up the āhealthyā way! Ugh, my demon was back. Luckily I stumbled across an article and realized Keto was basically Atkins Induction and knew I could do it again.
Now Iām in a Keto stall but I know what to do about it thanks to Richard and Dr Fung! KCKO
marklifestyle
(Mark Rhodes)
#54
Liz, My last Dexascan revealed a stall. That was February. Since then I tightened down my carbs, especially nuts. Added 3 weeks solid feasting as I had come into that scan with 6 5 day day fasts over two months with only .6lb fat loss (@15.7% BF). After the three weeks I went 20:4 M-F and this week I am on day 3 of a black coffee and water EF. I feel as if I am losing fat this time. Either that or the glycogen was hiding in my stomach and sidewall fat as I can see muscle striation on my obliques.
My wife on the other hand started Mariaās 30 day Keto Cleanse program and she too has lost about 8 pounds after the holiday stall.
My current take away? Mix it up.
Keto- for the win!
LizinLowell
(Liz )
#55
Very interesting, thanks! Iām not out of things to try yet. I did weekly 46-70 hr fasts through Jan/Feb, Iām taking a break from that in March, instead Iām doing 20/4 or 18/6 randomly daily. Also in my first week of lower protein, just to see. Will try this & if no results in a month Iāll eliminate dairy. If nothing there Iāll do longer EFs. If no go there, stricter water fasts. Lots of options and a lifetime to work it all out 
keto4me
#56
Iāve converted at least 4 that I know of. 2 others do it off an on.
My husband and daughter converted with me after about 3 months from when I started. Last 4th of July some friends of a friend noticed our weight loss and asked what we are doing. They have been doing it ever since. I saw some pics of them on Facebook last week and they are looking great!
jamiep
(Jamie)
#57
My interpretation may be wrong, but leading by example is how I interpret what Carl and Richard advocate for. Otherwise, it feels like weāre doing the same thing as the low fat, low calorie folksāpushing something that might not be right for every person because weāre too emotionally or financially attached to it. I really hope the low carb/keto community can stand above the way the low fat/calorie operates and even be open to evolving our nutrition beliefs as we learn more about it. It is clear that low carb is not right for everyone just as low fat isnāt.
Iāve been doing low carb or keto for just over six years. My success has influenced many others to at least try it, including my wife, family, and coworkers. My wife was initially very much against it. She was worried that it would kill me. My success and the slowly evolving acceptance of the science is gradually leading her to accept it as the better way for many. She now cuts her carbs; although, not to the level of reaching ketosis or even being qualified as low carb.
marklifestyle
(Mark Rhodes)
#58
I agree wholeheartedly!
Perhaps I worded it wrong. Iāve been this WOE for 18 months. They have ridiculed me, teased me and I never once got snippy. I knew where I was headed and eventually so did they. As time progressed more serious questions and comments came about. Still I never evangelized. Our factory health tests were conducted and not only was I lean but lo and behold my numbers were outstanding ( on SAD terms or KETO terms).
My Senior Engineer and I were talking about KETO. Finally I expressed concern for him. He is thin, 48 no health issues. I explained TOFI. He asked me for some books. I suggested two, one for his FACT based thinking (Phinney & Volek) and one for his wife (Maria Emmerich). The rest just happened.
For 29 years I have been a recovered alcoholic. I was taught in a different program to only share my experience- when asked. That if someone somewhere wants to know how I did it itās my responsibility to share that. That organization started in 1935 and with its methods has helped millions with no advertisements or affiliationsā¦ That is how I carry both messages of hope.
Dinniepapa
(Dianne McDean)
#59
One person at a time thatās out Motto. My husband has been keto for 3 years, finally convinced me. Iāve been keto for 5 months. He convinced me to give up my 30 years of vegetarianism. Hard, but I have seen the benefits. Iāve lost 6kg and feel terrific to say the least. Our son was living overseas during my conversion. He has since returned. He is eating keto as he has no choice, we buy the food. Heās lost weight and his acne has cleared up totally. His girlfriend is now on keto. Sheās lost 5kg. Her mum and dad, whom we have never meet, have now started and also her best friend has commenced. Our heart break though is our daughter, who has PCOS and horrendous acne, wonāt have a bar of it. She is stubborn as. But we KCKO
CandyLindTX
(Candy Lind)
#61
You know about resistant starch, right? Do you chill his potatoes before reheating for meals?