Carnivores March into March :)

[Fangs]

wonderful posts on the board to read and good pic too

@FrankoBear
great post!

@Karen18
I used to rest a steak. Pull out, set on counter to get room temp and then rest it after cooking as recommended…NOW NO WAY! Only on our rv trips and we grill does my steak come out and sit while the on vacation slow hubby gets then onto that darn grill, lol.

I am 2 times per day on food and never quite sure when that first meal hunger will hit so it is easiest to go fridge, slap in hot hot pan and done.

but yea, I think room temp and resting and all does ‘do something’ a bit on taste but to me, speed to eat kinda trumps that now

---------------------------Today is simple. 85/15 cheeseburger patties for first meal. Got chicken breasts for meal 2. I just ‘feel’ like I wanna skip a steak today. huh.

Set on cruise control on zc right now.

[Fangs]

I am quite a patient type in a lot of ways

I am polar opposite. I am go go go, fast fast fast with 0 patience and I am the type do to 100 things at once. I wish I had patience and I wish I could slow down. I am working on all that HA

[Septimius]

I have the patience to wait because my steak takes maybe 1- 2 minutes to cook each side. I love them rare, 5 mins and they would be like leather for me!

I’m the same. I eat mine rare, and used to cook them for about 60-90 seconds each side - and then let them sit.

Serious Eats does a good breakdown of why you should rest your steak: https://www.seriouseats.com/how-to-have-juicy-meats-steaks-the-food-lab-the-importance-of-resting-grilling

Scroll down to the pictures of the steaks on white plates - that’s the bit that explains it all. (Basically, you lose a tonne of juice from inside the steak if you cut it too early.)

[Ketodaisy]

how flippin big are the steaks you cook?

Usually 1 to 1.5 Pound thick cut steaks that I cook from frozen in the air fryer. So it usually takes about 11 minutes to get to blue rare. But I’m also fine eating raw steak, so I’m those cases, yes I do wait as long as I cook it

@Fangs same! I’m so impatient and always doing a hundred things at once!

[Shinita]

I don’t say everyone should do what I did but I NEVER stay on a woe where anything in my health and well-being and joy get worse. I always need a more tasty woe than the previous one but to accept some horrible level health problem like D to me? Nope. I would need some huge sure sign that says I NEED it for my health. I would suffer a bit for my long term health. But I am a spoiled hedonist and my body doesn’t really change when I change my woe. Almost everything stays exactly the same and I don’t have digestive problems ever as far as I know so that’s the normal thing to me and a bad change is a warning sign to me (and I hate having anything bad). It probably works with my body.

Hi guys I haven’t even eaten yet (it’s very promising I only need one properly big meal now… I still have my extra bites, mostly coffee with cream… and I can’t resist the various meats at night and nibble a bit, I should get my stuff together now) but I just popped in to show flowers. Yes, we found them now!

After gloomier times we have a nice sunny afternoon. The sun came out just in time to make our photos. The first is mine, the others are Alvaro’s, originally he is the hobby photographer… But I LOVE making flower photos (or fruit or any other plant parts. I especially love those little curly baby fern leaves) and I am best at them.

because my meal takes 5 minutes to make

I can’t make anything that quick except my scrambled eggs… But if I make roast, I have food for days Well, for one course, I still need to cook other things for myself but it helps a lot and the other thing may be a quick egg dish so that’s cool.
I look at somewhat complicated dishes with a different eye now. I just don’t understand why it is worth it for so many people. But maybe I am a hypocrite as I may make simple stuff but I have many courses… But I just can’t eat one dish per meal, it would be super boring most of the time, there are exceptions.

cooking shrimp and bacon together

Oh! I have both of those now… Sounds interesting. The shrimp is a subtle thing that would benefit from the fattier, tastier bacon I imagine…
We don’t have an expression like surf and turf here (and we don’t really mix those meats anyway), I still consider it funny

if you need to snack, eat a whole keto/ carnivore meal. You will do this a few times but realise you get a few bites into it and you are not hungry.

Nice when it works for someone. If I eat a bite, I eat a substantial meal, almost no exception. My SO is (almost) the same. He never takes a bite unless he has a big meal ready to eat or else he will be starving, normal “I didn’t eat in 10 hours” hunger is way nicer to him. I can handle one bite, lucky (and if I can handle 10 hours, I can handle 20 anyway). But carnivore changed everything so I even may have tiny meals when I am satiated and maybe even when hungry but that’s very exceptional. But it may happen now while I never had it before carnivore (maybe in the morning when I can’t really eat but that was it).

Snacking on keto/carnivore is inevitably a keto/carnivore meal… Snacking is having a meal. I try to figure out what is the difference since some years and have some idea but it’s basically eating either way. It’s individual what counts as normal food for someone. Everything if you ask my SO or rather almost. Snacks, whatever they are, are perfect meals for him. And the time of day doesn’t matter a thing but I am the same regarding that and I find it very odd that other people have “breakfast food items”.

I still can understand the charm of snacking. I have nothing against snacking. I have a lot against overeating and other problems and me being me, snacking makes little sense so I am not sure I have it? Or my last course is that? Oh it doesn’t matter.
But the exceptional “I can’t even eat any food as I am too satiated for it but I can have a lovely snack” thing makes perfect sense to me as a hedonist. It still must be soon after a meal (and I have this usually in the end of my meal) or else it just makes me hungry, potentially… I can imagine it on carnivore too though it’s harder there. But I have skills.

This “served outside of the context of a meal” makes no sense to me. I am simple. Fasting is not eating. Snacking is eating. If we eat, it’s a meal. There is only fasting and eating meals. (I am not that rigid exactly, I can consider coffee with cream or 2 rosehips as something in the gray area but that’s it.)
If snacking wouldn’t be meal, I was even more lost… Where are the limits? What is a snack? Type of food? Some random calorie limit? One can snack 1000 kcal. People say one can snack eggs…

I think I shouldn’t think about this.

@Karen18: I just can answer which size of steak sounds nice to me. There is a steakhouse that is my candidate to visit as I like the menu and it sounds a nice place but I will google more to figure out if it’s really as good as it sounds. It has 60 dkg (21oz) steak but 35dkg and 30dkg too (we usually use dkg here, recipes have that too, not grams. after too many years of tracking I often use grams now but dkg feels normal). The big steak with eggs and bacon on the side sounds a proper birthday OMAD meal to me (not a quick one but I like chilling in a nice restaurant for a while). (But maybe we will try smaller ones, just to be safe. I don’t even know what to do with some meat that got ready in minutes… But I probably won’t get satiated with a small one.)
Alvaro surely won’t get a big one as he has 3 smaller meals a day (sometimes 2 but never 1). He hardly could eat so much.

But if I ate steak often, I probably wouldn’t eat big ones. But once, in a nice environment, I surely would love to show off my skills And I do prefer big meals. I ate 600g beef before in an elongated meal, it was just the right amount.

[robintemplin]

I was wondering bout cooking from frozen in the air fryer! Good to know.

[Ketodaisy]

meal one was yogurt and a tiny bit of lamb. Meal two was an appetizer of a little raw steak, then two small ribeyes.

[Ketodaisy]

I just got to thinking how crazy it is that the standard American eats that little tiny bit of meat I had as part of my breakfast. It was maybe 3 oz (palm size amount) which is what most diets recommend. And we wonder why we’re in so much trouble. I did this for so many years.

[robintemplin]

Good point.

[Karen18]

I went out to shops to find some soil but couldn’t get what I was looking for and shops were so busy my head was going all over the place! Picked up some more bird feeders and food and also some planters 8n the cheapo shops. Came home and although I wasn’t sure I felt 100% up for it, I tackled the date palm as the day was so nice and warm. I’m sure the palm had grown another inch or two but I manhandled it onto the patio got it into the bigger half barrel tub and it looks happier now. Wasnt up to doing the fatsia and need more soil so had a good excuse to sit down. Just remembered I’ve left the shed unlocked with keys in it!!! Well its nearly 1130pm and I’m in bed so it’ll have to wait till tomorrow morning now!

So I had 2 pork loin chops, one ribeye steak and a number of rashers of smoked streaky bacon ,(think I had 6 rashers but they were skinny rashers lol) that was a tasty dinner.

[Azi]

[quote=“Karen18, post:80, topic:113788, full:true”]
Well having seen that you are an impatient bunch when it comes to eating your steak next question … how flippin big are the steaks you cook???

My steaks are about a pound if omad… or smaller ones will def be two meals smaller strip steaks I usually buy in a pack of two for that reason.

Today I decided to try the bacon tried some last night and it was like licking salt so gave it a water bath over night and glad to say it came out quite yummy but the added bacon to my meal meant I could only eat half the steak.

Didn’t eat til 6 so maybe today will be omad we will see…

[VirginiaEdie]

It is a key poor eating trigger point in my experience.

This is the same problem I had with giving up Diet Coke. When I was out and about in the car running errands, I would get a Diet Coke as a little treat for the drive. After I gave it up, as soon as I would get in the car, I would start looking forward to having a Diet Coke. Being in my car was a huge trigger for me.

I’ve been free of Diet Coke for three months now. Something that helped is that I switched my errand treat to unsweetened iced tea. It seems to be doing the trick. Maybe have some kind of substitute for yourself in your car?

[Shinita]

I am sorry, I hoped it will be tiny. I should know myself better. But it was ONE topic. Still. There is a joke that two men is talking. One says, “My wife only need a topic and she can talk about it for hours!”. The other replies, “It’s nothing. My wife can’t shut up for days and she don’t even need a topic for that!”. Quick translation by me, it was in Hungarian, hopefully it didn’t get much weaker.

I never could eat 3 oz meat, it’s an invalid amount… It was zero or a lot. I have low-meat days between meatier times but even that is way more than 3 oz unless I basically don’t eat meat but has some processed meat in my scrambled eggs or something like that. But I don’t usually do that. It probably happened on a few off days…? But if it’s some roast and my main food, no way. A pound isn’t so much meat, often impossible for me to stop before I reach that. (And I consider myself someone who eats little meat on carnivore… As I do especially on average.) It depends, of course as most of my days are lower but with fresh roast and an appetite for meat…?

I never liked rules about amounts, it’s not how I work. Even if I am curious and try out something, I end up writing over the rules especially regarding amounts…

I only ate little meat when I had to eat chicken every Sunday lunch. No idea about the amount, though. Surely a drumstick was the minimum. Nowadays my bare minimum is a chicken leg (but it’s not a meal, it’s a tiny snack to me as it does little to my hunger) and the last I ate was 400g, that’s 14oz? I might have eaten a 3oz chicken drumstick in school once. I remember crying over the super tiny chicken bone bit into two. I was a miserable tiny girl. Surviving school and only getting that after some stupid and probably bad quality soup… I had my standards and the school failed me more than usual.

Even Alvaro doesn’t eat 3oz, what good would that do, even with his carbs and dessert and sometimes even soup? Normal persons need normal amounts…

When I visit Alvaro’s Mom, everyone gets a whole chicken leg (10-15oz, maybe?). Way too little meat but still not 3oz. OMG.

But each to their own, surely with a ton of other stuff and with zillion meals 3 oz is something for a meal if one doesn’t like meat (why to eat it then, I don’t know but there may be a reason. I had not much problem with my vegetarian woe until I realized my keto isn’t low-carb enough for me. but I don’t say eating meat has no other benefits, it makes life simpler).
So it may be fine but NOT for me, not on any woe.

I went and make a photo. I don’t have this “palm sized” things as I rarely use slices (and thickness matters). I already showed my pork chuck roast, this is 2 pieces, the super tiny (I do tend to have a slice that may or may not get ready earlier) and a normal smallish one. If I use bigger ones, I don’t get food ready in 1.5-2 hours and anyway, I like multiple pieces and lots of outside.

The tiny is 3.9oz in raw weight (it makes no sense to use not raw one as it’s not very informative. except that I know my roasts are 1.7 times heavier in raw weight but it can vary a bit), the whole stuff is 18.9 oz. I probably will eat more at my next meal as it’s way too few calories and I plan a very meaty day where I attack my pork chuck roast and don’t try to eat zillion eggs if I don’t want it.

But I will eat mostly meat tomorrow and I need a biggish meal, obviously it’s different for someone with 5 tiny meals on high-carb. 3oz is STILL very tiny but if it’s enough for someone, okay. It may be spice for them, not an important protein source. Or the diets say many meals a day, 3oz meat each? Because that is different, obviously.
I got high protein and pretty much nutrition on my vegetarian diet and no food group is essential… One can eat other stuff (as long as their body is okay with it. I could easily survive without meat, I did it, didn’t miss it, felt pretty healthy and okay BUT now that I tried extreme low-carb I know it’s even better so I have not many options if I want the best and of course I do). I just don’t like to use proper food as “spice”.

@Karen18: We knew that already but you have a colorful environment… I like warm colors, reds and yellows… And the greens are very needed to balance them out.

[robintemplin]

So pretty. You have a good eye and obviously a green thumb. Love your whole garden/patio area. Fun to watch it come to life.

[Karen18]

@Shinita yes I love the warm colours too. I never tire of the changes as the the sun comes round. Its funny how it must be the strength of the sun and not just the amount of sunshine that changes the tone of the yellow because sometimes even with the sun it looks a paler yellow on the walls but yesterday it was warm in the sunshine and as I sat down for a cuppa when I had finished pottering and putting things in different areas it just looked pretty and relaxing as I was gazing around the patio. I am happy with the palm where it is at the mo and I can still see out of my kitchen window and enjoying the sun filtering through the palm throngs. Mind you there is no sun this morning unfortunately. I loved your pretty lilac flowers . I saw some lovely lilac striped primroses with little yellow centres at aldi yesterday but refrained from buying as I have enough plants to get potted and put outside. Also have a couple of indoor begonias that need re-potting but need the right compost for them which I am getting today from G/C as I couldn’t get right stuff in cheapo shops yesterday.

@robintemplin thank you, I have a long way to go. I need to buy some trees for the back end. I am the absolute novice where gardens are concerned. I have spent many years just trying to maintain a jungle so I hated going out there as it was just toil and labour! I do like mixing colours and yes I think i do have a fairly good eye for that but I could do with some larger or wall climbing plants. That will be the next thing I have a go at. I am still waiting for my son in law to help me get the parasol fixed to the wall… it is quite big so I think it may need two of us to get that in the right position. I haven’t been nagging him, he forgot and double booked himself when we had made plans to do it but I didn’t mind as I knew the storms were due to hit us. That’s when I ended up having to bring the palm inside. It had toppled over in the winds so I used those tights to strap it to the down pipe but I was so sure the winds would blow it over again and made take the down pipe with it lol thats when it came indoors. I got stabbed by this sharp throngs each time I went to the downstairs loo.! I learnt a lesson with that one… choose the correct s8 container! Hahaha its a learning curve!

Had a little lay in this morning. The stair runs started off fairly slowly as I was still very stiff and to start with was having a little trouble doing my forward bends at the bottom of the stairs. I could just touch my toes but was so stiff, but after about 5 to 10 flights it was easing off and touching the toes was not so troublesome. I am running up and down and thinking ‘come on back flippin ease off’ lol I know it will ease off eventually.

Just getting about ready for brunch, it is nearly noon and really don’t know what I fancy yet. I have some pork chops left in the fridge to cook and got some lamb ribs out of freezer so i will get those in oven later and eat it all together for dinner.

Catch up later…

[Shinita]

@Naghite wrote in the February thread about baking heart… I am thinking about it now. I always just fried organs. I fried nearly everything all my life, it was my thing. I see the happenings, I can add enough fat, keep more moisture inside with a lid… Baking is more distant and certain things can dry out. I can’t really add fat (I am sure others can, I don’t, just a tiny bit and it pools in the bottom)… I can’t imagine what heart does there. It’s lean, well okay I don’t cut it into little pieces so it should be juicy enough inside? But what about my fat needs? Or I should just make it and see what happens? I like liver with very little added fat so maybe heart will be okay too. (First time with beef heart, wanna do it right for me I trust our big organ eater’s knowledge but people are still different.)
But I need more heart for that or some other stuff to bake, that’s one other reason to use a pan. I have a little heart to taste separately, I think I will fry that. And I will bake it the next time.

But that’s not for the next days, I have pork now. I couldn’t do my “no coffee… at least until 4pm” thing, I avoided it for a while but I have a headache again, small but still and it’s a too strong trigger.
But I am adamant to keep my day simple and meat and eggs only. I don’t even use cream for my coffee while we have it, it’s a new thing for me!

@Karen18: I thought about buying primrose, it was on sale in a supermarket, being pretty… But I almost have my own garden flowers and I will see ZILLION primroses in one of the nearby forests soon (I mean it, maybe 15 minutes walk? and people consider this place not a good one to live… they must like people and shops more than forests… people are weird or lazy. or busy. whatever. I like it here). Only simple yellow ones but they are pretty.
I have my tiny yellow and white crocuses now (I so need to buy huge purple ones this autumn), the striped yellow come later I think. I already see if my very simple hyacinths (not zillion little flowers, just a few but they are still nice and fragrant, I don’t need those overly flamboyant ones! well I have one white now, that is nice too) will be pink or purplish blue! Still no daffodils, they are frozen in time since many days. And tulips are in the super distant future as I don’t have very early (or very late) ones. Oh I will bring so many photos Just 1-2 at a time though.

I am so ready for more Nature things like flowers and green foliage… I almost forgot what that is like and now I remember.
But I should remember other things like watering my leanders, they are princesses when it comes to water, they wilted in the first winter when I had no idea they need much, very frequent watering even when they are resting and the air isn’t even anywhere near dry… I was used to sturdier plants. But I have eyes so I eventually noticed their problem and now they are pretty and seemingly pleased. I just never managed to make them having zillion flowers at the same time, I see that at other gardens a lot. Not like I mind, my leanders bloom for a long time, they have several flowers just not nearly as many as other leanders. And I give them nutrients and everything.

[Fangs]

@Karen18
from what your back garden was to what it is now was worth every dime some summer you will just so enjoy that yard and all its pretty!

Yes, go vertical. You got alot in a line along that way, you kinda need a vertical displacement to make it more, hmm, forest like in some way? kinda like a tall tree gives that break from just flat scenery so any taller and vertical to the wall etc. would be a beauty addition for sure.

Girl I don’t know how you are gonna take care of all those pots!!! I did that for a bit when I first moved in, used containers like crazy but then I realized I leave on vacay ALOT and those pots suffered, had my bestie horse rider pal come and water til one day my friend was like, I will feed the horses and goats and all that, bring the mail in for ya, screw those planters HAHA I had to agree with her LOL

----------------simple day
already on road early, like 4 hrs later home now.
had to hit moms house and do stuff…ugh…so quiet, so much unnerving silence and felt so unalive in that home now even with like a gazillion damn geese from the lake making a rukus in her backyard. I scared them gone HA they mess so bad, ick.

I panick sometimes knowing my food isn’t around and I leave the house early. In that I don’t bring a cooler with me anymore out and about because I can ‘go very long’ without eating and in a good set pattern but I still get that twinge of omg, what if I can’t get…lol…but driving home getting hungry I passed a few fast food joints and thought I can get this, nope it sucks, I can get that and doctor it, nope tastes like crap, or I can buy…nope and nope. I am SO over fast food crap point blank.

home and got a NY Strip steak ready to fry up. glad I waited, if more hungry cause this ain’t a big guy, my eyes are on that last bag of crab legs that will be puny in a way, but a great surf and turf meal.

burger meat for tonight.

all good in zc land. just being and not worrying on eating other than ‘I do worry’ on eating sometimes

[Shinita]

I had no satiation problems on the weekend. I thought it will be easy. I don’t know yet but I just had lunch…? Dinner? First meal, that’s the best way for it so I ate at 4pm and now I am hungrier than before. Nothing unusual, I ate, after all and not even much. I had a cute meal, guesstimation says 1530 kcal, 130g protein and 2g ch 65% fat. It may work. I am brave and wait for satiation to happen.
No idea why my body does this now… Okay maybe it’s because of carnivore, I don’t overeat like with carbs and my body just can’t say okay if I eat at a deficit. It likes its calories. But as I eat enough for it to function well, it calms down eventually. In a few hours at most, it varies.

So I didn’t get the stop signal despite eating almost only meat. It happens at this low calorie level.

But why I talk about this so much? I don’t even know if I will have a second meal.

My pork roast had the perfect texture and it was marbled with fat, it was nice. I ate better tasting meat in my life but it’s just some store-bought stuff and anyway, taste varies. But it was more than good enough for hungry me. I wasn’t hungry before, just felt weak dizziness messaged that it will come soon… So I ate. The first bite triggered some very urgent hunger so I ate up an egg and the previously shown 19oz meat in, like, 8 minutes. I did my best to go slow

I ate half a sausage, more meat (exactly the half of my roast) and another egg. And I had coffee with a yolk in the last hours.

Made 24 sponge cake muffins as well, maybe they will last for a few days… I make them all the time and I do my best to eat them only if simpler eggs don’t cut it so I have a chance

It was an okay day this far and it would be horribly inconvenient to have another meal, maybe a tiny one. We will see, it’s up to my body at this point, I did what I could except eating more sausage to up the pitiful calorie count but I don’t want to, for various reasons.

It’s pretty okay now, no wondering about what to eat, I just am a bit lost about how much as my body refuses to give any proper sign. So I use tracking to make an educated guess, my desire towards food… And I am way too optimistic but I ate a lot lately so maybe I can pull it off…

My mood definitely improved that I ate I start to get satiated and I LOVE that feeling. That’s one reason I love fasting, I love not to ruin my perfect satiation with eating. Of course as soon as I lose this feeling and even get urges to eat, it changes so I eat. That time is always a good time to eat, I just want to avoid unnecessary or too frequent eating.

had to hit moms house and do stuff…ugh…so quiet, so much unnerving silence and felt so unalive in that home now

Oh yes. I remember the feeling. I LOVED Grandma’s house, it became ours eventually… It was my home even though I officially lived elsewhere and actually spent too much time there. And when Mom died, the little old house suddenly lost all its charm and it was painful to look at it. It was far from my actual place anyway so I sold it for almost nothing. It was a very old house. I miss the quality of the soil and the wonderful water though. But all my memories… I have them and even as many books as I just could bring in a motorbike box…
I have very few memories about the apartman I lived in for twenty-something years… I just slept there and did things. I lived in that tiny house and garden. With Mom and Grandma and then Mom. And then it ended.
I stop before I start to cry.
But I have my precious memories, stories and everything. Most of them was told by my Mom in that house…

…
What if I miss my eggs? I think I eat some sponge cake muffins. I don’t seem to get satiated, in the contrary. Yeah, I use that too, waiting to see what direction my satiation/hunger goes…

[robintemplin]

The feeling of emptiness in your mom’s house is such a visceral feeling. Emptiness that has a heavy weight to it, while also feeling a void.

After dealing with my mom and my grandma’s homes, I now live with that in mind. I don’t have “stuff’ that is really clutter and holds no meaning. Except for my clothes, everything I own has purpose and/or meaning.

I even reduced my books down to my favorite 100… and that is quite an accomplishment. Now, before I add one, I must remove one. I hope to eventually get it down to 50, so there is a chance my daughter might box them up and save them.

[Shinita]

I ate a bit too much protein and fat (the protein is okay, I go way higher sometimes) but 4g carbs. And not ZILLION calories just significantly over my need on this inactive day. I know I need OMAD, it will happen eventually. Oh well, not bad for the first day. I had 18g salmon spread but I had it as leftovers and went well with my sponge cake muffins. That was the least okay item today But it’s easy on the first day. I suspect I will add back dairy soon, I have an opened package of quark.

I am really satiated now TMAD, 2.5 hour eating window. No way I mess this up. No way I won’t be nicely satiated at night, I ate good food in big amounts.