Thanks Linda, I really appreciate that.
Carnivore ZC SurfTurf-tember! 30-day September Challenge. 2022
robintemplin
(Robin)
#163
Sorry, youâre home and you are staying home, even if we have to ground you, young lady!
Fangs
#164
@MeganNZ
water under the bridge, onward we go, zc all the way 
@Azi
yea there is alot of good info in that video between them chatting. but I always fear a âreal newbieâ will see this stuff and think, me me, but if one isnât set on firm, and calm and comfortable on plan, this could shake them up and they dump off carni. But hey the info is out there for everyone no matter what their time line is.
you are doing some good work on you 
it is amazing what you are finding out about yourself!
@Karen18, so cool watching the uni with freshman day in full buzz.
Is the pic of deer from the uni grounds also? I loved seeing them!
------------------------ohh my pork ribs were delish.
not sure on what I am going to eat today. woke up and usually I âhave a food ideaâ but this morning 0 is calling my name. huh? just kinda satisfied, not hungry, feeling good, but by my 11-1 range I will be wanting something I am sure I do have 2 left chick breasts in fridge I will fry up today as to not lose them.
Kâs pics of her chick wings kinda has me wanting some, might run to store today to get some? but I donât know if I feel like driving anywhere, feels like a donât get in the car day HA
Ketodaisy
(Daisy)
#165
Just checking in to say hi! Iâm doing well and staying on plan. Iâm learning that on plan for me has changed over time. There are little non carnivore foods I can enjoy from time to time and ones I used to be able to enjoy that I no longer can. And foods that are technically carnivore that arenât ideal for me.
Examples if I can figure out the blur, Iâll delete if not.
I went on a mini vacation to pigeon forge, TN over Labor Day weekend. I had a bowl of soup at Olive Garden that had some potatoes and greens in it. Absolutely no issues. However, I had a fat bomb this week that had a tiny bit of unsweetened cocoa, and an even tinier amount of vanilla and cinnamon, along with butter and salt. It really caused me a lot of problems. Plus I had ricotta cheese 2 days last week and it mentally made me go crazy!
I was able to recognize it yesterday before eating and I got rid of the ricotta and got completely on track after 2 days of just mentally struggling. Iâm also doing a ketogenic approach to carnivore for the last month and have seen some great benefits. Iâm finally sleeping well (@Karen18), better managing my weight and just feeling better all around.
I also got a new carnivore this week! 
I am feeding her a raw (mostly) carnivore diet.
Fangs
#166
So happy ya posted. I was thinking about you, hoping things were going well, sounds like they are.
I have to say âany soft cheeseâ just gives me the runs. Never had a mental type sluggy issue with it, just nailed my guts to the wall. I canât do anything creamy. I must only eat hard dry aged cheese. I learned thru the years, oh boy I did just like you are âseen real fast wonât wonât work
I also can âeat a few thingsâ and do wellâŚbut time on plan mostly I found I just donât require them. It will be interesting to see how your carni walk takes ya!
Many can go back and be a ketovore type. like a day or a meal off zero carb and do fine but someone like me, I just canât walk into that realm. I ainât got it in me to do it. I have to stay but nothing ever wrong with seeing where you do best. Life long eating change, if we keep learning about us we truly find a meal plan that suits us long term. Key to it all, find the best route and hold on for the long ride
Your new carnivore is SO darn cuteâŚomg!
OK what is her name? You post that cute black fuzzball and donât put a name to her? come on, I am SO wondering LOL adorable.
Ketodaisy
(Daisy)
#167
Hahahah so sorry! Her name is Sophie. I did create her an Instagram last night to post her raw carnivore lifestyle and her absolute adorableness . Let me figure out the link
I donât know if that works 
. But itâs mypomsophie
Fangs
#168
@Ketodaisy
so delicate a name for her, SophieâŚsuits her little black fuzzy body and sharp little foxy face! I will check out Sophieâs presence onlineâŚtoo cool.
--------------------so here is my plate along with my dogâs food. Chicken.
Had to get it cooked. Canât eat it yet, just donât want it but figure getâer done, in fridge, eat later. Bolt wants his chicken now LOL
I butterfly cut my 2 breasts for fast cook then a few scores, it cooks chicken faster but keeps it very juicy so fry time is so shortâŚlittle pile on right is Boltâs chicken he gets from my foodâŚkilled me to give him this much HA but yea carnivores dogs gotta eat too
yes it is cooked and ready to go. Bolt will get his raw, he loves it. 2 meals for himâŚhe is small. sometimes I nuke his chicken slightly, some days he loves raw, some days he wonât touch it but if I nuke it a tad and âcook hisâ he eats it upâŚwho knowsâŚI donât but he has me wrapped around his little darn paw.
We got alot of carni dogs on our thread, love it!
FrankoBear
#169
Lamb chops again this evening. Bacon and eggs breakfast. Have stopped the cheese creep that was happening. Swam in a cold ocean lagoon this morning. Felt great. Another step back, devolving toward the ocean.
Am out laying around in the forest looking at flowers as well. Big, tough, carnivore I am.
Fangs
#170
@FrankoBear -----Ahhhh, not a darn step âbackâ in a wayâŚyou are a step forward against many who seek but do not find an answer. Finding real natural life and becoming a part of it. Nothing better FB, you have a great journey happening for you!
I also have found my way forward so much now. It feels like home. Feels so right. Feels so connected. I so get you on itâŚkeep on evolving âbackwardâ to find your best future!
Maybe that is why I camp. My rv and nature and my farm IS my lifeline in this world. City gal, never ever. Would kill me. Had city time when younger, I barely survived but once I went âmy wayâ the natural more earthy way, yea my well being is calmer. Suits me. We find so much on our zc path
I love zc zen chat
Azi
(Linda )
#171
Itâs great to hear that your getting back to your life of the ocean and mostly pain free again⌠its amazing to me how much we can heal our bodies if we stick to carnivoreâŚ
@Ketodaisy your fluff ball sophie is adorable so cute.
Yeah Iâm finding the ketogenic carnivore is changing things for me sleep is way better now than itâs ever been on carnivore.
Karen18
(Karen)
#172
@Fangs no the deer were across the road from the University, we walked through the uni and crossed over main road to Wollaton Park and the deer were in there. We donât often get to see them even though the park is renowned for the deer. We couldnât really get any closer cos they get spooked. Not like the tame deer I see in some folks gardens in the fb posts from America. There was a beautiful dark brown deer too, the only one which stood out amongst the rest, again a bit too far away to take any really good pics. Glad you enjoyed those ribs, I have slowed cooked mine and they are cooling off to get ready to rub a bit of spice on them and reheat in oven, maybe tomorrow.
@FrankoBear another beautiful photo, those flowers are so pretty and colourful. I have been doing well with keeping off the cheese, I thought I may have messed things up when I needed the little bit at the hotel with the meat being so rationed but I havenât felt any inclination to pick any up when I have seen it in the shops. Funny but my mind goes straight to how ugh it seems to taste now and thatâs enough to pass it by.
@Ketodaisy Sophie is cuteness overload and I am following you on Instagram. I hope she does exceptionally well on carnie woe. (At least I think I read it that you were feeding her carni diet)
I seem to be getting fairly good sleep at the moment at least I am giving myself plenty opportunity to get the hours in. They are still wakeful nights but I can usually expect Friday nights, after 3 work days getting up at silly oâclock will usually be my best albeit I am still up 3 or so times for the loo! I still struggle before a work day, subconscious anxiety perhaps or if something is on my mind which is rarely the case these days. So glad to hear your sleep is better these days.
It has been cooler today, the sun was replaced with mist this morning but by the time I had got up and found my fav seating place outside with my books and brew the mist had gone. Still needed my little house jacket to keep the chill off my shoulders, still in shorts though. A little bit later I was starting to feel the col and donned my lumber style jacket and felt snug as a bug then. I read my daily faith book, another chapter of The Happiness Project and got tucked into Heaven if for Real⌠oh my goodness what a great book ⌠with each sentence came a mix of joyous thoughts, tearfulness and absolute heart wrench. Wow I was halfway through the book before I realised it. I had to put it down to give my eyes a rest so they wouldnât swell and went indoor to make brunch.
2 small rump steaks, cooked both sides cos I opened pack of 3 yesterday and streaky smoked bacon from farm shop. Not great but better than the unsmoked⌠Still too thick for my liking. The steaks were so so. I have one more pack of 3 steaks in fridge.
Followed this with these half shelled mussels
Still have a bit of colour in garden though the petunias are starting to die off as is my fatsia spiders, it really doesnât like my garden
Fangs
#174
yea so true LOL but too late, I gotta say as nice as that is, I think Sophie suits this black furball very well HA
Karen18
(Karen)
#175
So I slow cooked the pork ribs and decided they were ready and I was ready to chuck em in the oven for dinner rather than wait till tomorrow. I sprinkled with salt, black pepper and chilli flakes and reheated for roughly 40 minutes. They were very nice, slightly drier than when I cook the ones from lidl but I think I preferred them a bit drier. I think I could have eaten them all over again so may have to buy a few more ribs next time. Worked out cheaper than buying them ready to reheat and no wastage chucking sauce in bin!
Just had a small can of crabmeat and added mayo cos I wasnât so keen last time I had it without. I think I need to stick to pickled mussels!
While I was waiting for the ribs I had the diluted pork juice from the slowcooker.
JJFiddle
(Judy Thompson)
#176
Sheâs adorable!
Do you not have to include veggies? It would be nice if I could cut out the small amount of veggies I add to Mimsyâs food. I watched naturaldog.com videos to learn to make her food.
Wonderful posts today, love your pics @Karen18 and the beautiful field of flowers @FrankoBear!
Took Mimsy to church today, the pastorâs grandson needed a playmate, lol.
For lunch I heated the chicken bone broth from the chicken I cooked Thursday, then served all the leftover meat on a platter to add to it. Sort of a do it yourself Brazilian steakhouse, lol:
Broth bowl
Meat-chicken, bacon, deer sausage, hot dog, hamburger
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With meats
And Parmesan
Leaving in an hour for a 3 hour Sunday evening strolling gig at the seafood joint. Early out tonight, 9 pm. Nice to get home before 11 for a change.
Ketodaisy
(Daisy)
#178
I know several dog owners that do an only raw carnivore diet for their pups. I will do mostly carnivore, but may do some veggies or whatever I determine she wants/needs. Right now she gets a tiny bit of kibble a day from the bag of kibble her breeder sent with her. But mostly sheâs eating raw ground beef, meat with the bone, and turkey necks. Our next introduction will be raw chicken wings, then eggs. Iâm doing a standard introduction protocol of at least 3 days between a new food. She sometimes eats the catâs kibble before I can get it away from her.
Karen18
(Karen)
#179
Wow that food looks so good. When I visit america I am straight round to yours for eats lol 
Mimsy is gorgeous. She must be a friendly soul. My Yorkshire terrier was not the friendliest, she was a one woman doggo lol. Your Mimsy has a similar face to my Rosie. I havenât had another doggo since her excuse of working and the commitment element though my daughter keeps urging me to put my name down on the rescue waiting list. That wonât happen for a few years yet. I
Shinita
#180
Because I like that and itâs helpful, obviously. I am very selfish. I like to do what I like and find helpful. I was way farther from carnivore when I talked all the time on carni threads, not these Fangs ones. That helped me to come to this big journey and getting many carnivore and even more carnivore-ish days! I evolve rapidly compared to my original keto It changes my life. The hedonist in me canât just give this up! Itâs too good.
From my viewpoint yes it is I hope I wrote that about my carnivore-ish, itâs significantly stricter than my original carnivore now! Of course people may think differently what close means. 1-2g carbs from plants is pretty close in my books! I can get way more from condiments (I donât even consider that carnivore, using certain condiments). And of course I easily get 20+ g sugar from animals but that may be different, I still didnât decide about lactose and it doesnât matter as most dairy triggers overeating in my life. Unless I am very careful with them and I usually am. So I pretty much trained myself out of eating lots of animal sugar on a normal day.
But the main thing, I can and thatâs carnivore (the âonly animalâ style, not the super strict ones). While keeping my carbs low is WAY more important for my body than avoiding plants. I focus on the part that matters to me.
I will keep tracking as itâs my thing. It doesnât contradict my carnivore-ish, I collect data.
Oh please tell me that, I am curious! If you have the mood and time, of course. There are no real contradictions in my thinking but of course it may seem so! I understand myself and things make sense in my mind but expressing it clearly is harder. And of course, there are a few things where I am a bit uncertain. Not much at this point, I am very pleased with my knowledge about how I should eat now.
And what excuses? I donât need excuses, I eat whatever I want. But yes, I donât see why much sugar from animals is fine while a tiny bit from plants not - if itâs about ME. I understand itâs the basics of carnivore but I donât need carnivore, I need extreme low net carbs from plants most of the time. And in my life the two are very, very close to each other. And I use âcarnivore-ishâ so I donât even mislabel it so all is well.
And I make carnivore trials anyway where I seemingly unnecessarily restrict myself but they have their purposes: 1. experiments. they are fun and can show things where extrapolation isnât good enough 2. training. I need to go âtoo strictâ sometimes to be happy with my ideal woe and to avoid straying too far when I relax my ways.
If any of you have a problem, tell me in time and I will do what I can! I know I am horrible, I barely canât stand myself and I repeatedly expressed my awe how you can tolerate me⌠I like feedback but a part of me surely will protect myself if I feel itâs not right. I like to be clear. Judge me for the truth! That is fine and dandy.
My comments are easy to ignore, I think. We have so many posts here, one should just ignore the ones they donât even like. of course I keep working on not coming here but see how long it lasted (I was totally impressed, honestly but it still wasnât long 
I want to quit foruming almost completely. I donât care that isnât a word now. at least for a while and heal from my food addiction).
Just a tiny (really tiny, I edit if it gets long! tiny for me, I mean) summery about my last days. One reason not to come here was that I wanted to avoid writing down my chaotic thoughts, waiting for the time when I look back and see more clear.
I had difficulties.
And now I know that I never ever ever ever should be without dairy. I NEED them, badly. Not much and not every day and I can live without cream for long⌠But some is needed when I eventually get bored of meat and eggs. My mild pork aversion lasted for days, I run out of eggs too at some point⌠I had 5 different animal species on my plates on Friday and it still wasnât enough. I only had turkey in significant amounts and I didnât want turkey. I eventually ate it but I had hungry hours until then.
These too severe restrictions tire me out. Itâs fine to do no dairy carni times, I will have them in the future⌠I just need to keep some dairy at hand for emergencies. And I hadnât any. I hope I learned my lesson.
Since yesterday I have a new experiment. Carnivore-ish OMAD (just lunch skipping, actually so if my early dinner gets too small, I will have another meal. but it would simplify my experiments if I had only one)! With the only pork I have, the 70/30 minus some lard rendered out of it⌠Insanely fatty (for my energy needs, I find it satisfyingly fatty, some parts even too lean), I canât actually afford it but itâs an experiment and I try to balance it out with leaner items
190g (fried weight) is already almost a guarantee of overeating fat but I had that much yesterday. Yeah, I am a tad more obsessed with calories now as lowering them is the only way for me to stop my 10-11 years old stall (there were 2 short special times when I didnât stall but usually I did). I try to hide it in the future but itâs hard as it strongly affects my plans. I can hide my plans though, itâs not like it has much effect on my eating, after all⌠Yep. Letâs focus on health and energy as it matters to me waaaaaaay more than my extra fat anyway. But they are a constant, I am always pretty healthy having low energy. But hopeful it can change.
So, the start of my dinner yesterday. I had almost a tin of sardines, more eggs and more quark right afterwards. Guesstimation (totally unreliable with this fatty meat, whatever) says 2000 kcal and 134g protein. A substantial meal but my first OMAD meal has to be that.
Today I will eat similarly, with less sardines and quark (and maybe meat) though.
Then will come the chicken I managed to buy in the village shop. It had no other possible meat to buy for me and I run low. City shopping got postponed, hopefully not for long. IDK how other people live (well they buy meat and dairy for a way higher price� the differences are huge! 1.5 times as much or more, quite often) but I need the city with the variety and better prices.
I come with my own eating infos when things get calm down and I can put my hand on some meat and dairy and/or have some tiny results from this experiment (not very reliable, I need to be in a well established easy satiation carnivore state when I begin, probably).
Not like itâs necessarily interesting for anyone else but you know me.
But even for me, thinking about it every day like crazy is unhealthy. (I will do it, sure, my mind canât be turned off but hopefully with little forum it will go down. OMAD should help too. And getting some leaner meat already.)
Weather got colder but cold showers are still fine! And I am still weak as a kitten, shows my lifting.
JJFiddle
(Judy Thompson)
#181
@Shinita still weak? 
Hope you feel better soon. Your meal looks great!
@Ketodaisy okay, that makes good sense. I add bone meal to my mix as Mimsy would never do much with raw bones. For organ meats I dehydrate at a low temp as sheâs crazy about those, and just leave them out of the mix. I just cook about ½c of veggie, same one hubby eats to simplify shopping and storage, and food-process it with the bacon and bone meal, then put that into the mixer with grassfed ground beef and turkey⌠It feeds her for 12 days.
@Karen18 I bet Rosie was a great companion! Mimsy is a poo, her mother was a 6 lb black poodle, dad was a 4 lb yorkie. Sheâs about 9 lb. Donât know if itâs the poodle in her but sheâs always been super friendly. Still does stick by me mostly though - she knows where her meals come from 
Today is a home day, streaming violin lessons from 2:30 to 8:30. Weâll eat early as hubby wants to go to Luckenbach (about 10 mi) to play this afternoon with the pickers circle from 1 to 5. This is our last week in Texas til November and weâve never joined them over there.
I have some rib eyes in the freezer - thinking of sticking those on sous vide this morning on a rare temp and finishing them over charcoal. It will be a nice start to the week!