@shanita I love you being here. I love that sometimes you write as though you are confused (generally putting that down to translation) and like me when I feel the need to reply i too need a few days to get my thoughts together as I can have quite mixed up thoughts and feelings. You are certainly not a horrible person, please you must learn to love yourself, you have so much to offer in life and on these forums. You have your struggles with food as we all do and we can all learn from each other. Life would be awful if we were all the sameā¦ who the heck would we learn from? So keep posting as you do xxxā¤
Carnivore ZC SurfTurf-tember! 30-day September Challenge. 2022
Fangs
#183
you heading back to VA and living there til Nov?
tell me, how was your āstrolling gigā at the seafood place? If I was playing and SAW all that great seafood like crab legs and scallops I wouldnāt concentrate on playing, just eating HAHA I donāt know how you āfair wellā thru the sight and smell of seafood on platesā¦I admire you girl!!! 
---------------got 12 NY strip steaks on sale. āseemā like ok ones but I tell ya the ācuts coming in packagesā aināt up to my snuff but I can inhale a less than stellar one at a good price and still be OK 
My sardines did a big hike. double price. what was like $2 a can is NOW $4 a tin. come on ya know. that is MY dessert LOL but I also see sugar crap processed rising so much that I guess my sardines are gonna have to be in my grocery buy cause I rely on them āwhen I require themā so yea, pay the piper, grin hard, but KNOW I AM NOT paying for med services thru ill health thru foodā¦I must keep that mind to even accept these price increases!!
NY Strip steak
last leftover chick I didnāt eat yesterday
got 1 little measily leftover country pork rib will eat
today āfeels like scrap dayā 
Karen18
(Karen)
#184
Had a late-ish brunch and now kitty sitting. 
did them a little longer than instructed because I was reading my fabulous book and time flew by but that just made the skins more crispy and didnāt dry out the chicken so win win.
carnivoor2
(Vic)
#185
First meal today, for lunch I had a pack of ground beef, reading the smallprint turned out to be 64% beef and the rest was soy proteins:-(
Although I do allow some carbs a week, this was to much, coundāt eat that crap.
Azi
(Linda )
#186
The reason is the carbs from animals such as liver is from glycogen (stored in muscles and tissue) and the carbs from dairy is lactose which when itās fermented most is eaten up in the processā¦ where as the carbs from fruit and vegetables is glucose and fructose.
Interesting question was interested in the answer.
I dont think anyone here thinks anything bad about you Shanitaā¦ Just some struggle with the talk of non carni foods.
Todays morning blood sugar was 94 interesting its up slightlyā¦ As last night was my first night at home alone with animals againā¦My husband is off in oklahoma in a trucking orientation and hopefully moving on to 3 weeks training in driving a semi for a trucking companyā¦he has recently sat and passed his cdl so stepping it up from his f250 into a semi truckā¦
Todays eats flanken ribs butter and goat cheese and coffeeā¦
Karen18
(Karen)
#187
Why would anyone mix beef and soy proteins? Thers plenty protein in the beef alone!
Karen18
(Karen)
#188
Dinner was 2 rump steaks seared on one side and smoked streaky bacon ā¦ using up the last rashers from the farm shop, theyāre far too thick and too salty but I ate them so as not to waste. Had to put some grissly bits of rump back in pan to cook longer as I couldnāt even get my fork to pierce the grissle!
Shinita
#189
I just canāt stay awayā¦ But I try to be super quick! (Of course I failed.) My number #2 carnivore-ish dinner OMAD day is done, it seems 100g protein was enoughā¦ If I can track remotely accurately that partā¦
I miss my appetite, it was such a chore to eat without any, I couldnāt have done it in a short time but one hour was enough to consume enough food.
But I better take a break from pork (the same item rapidly lost its charm as days passed), tomorrow is mostly chicken, eggs and dairy day!
And itās a sure thing we will have our city shopping (shorter than usual as itās just an afternoon pop in with lawyer visit, this one works quick unlike the previous one) on Wednesday! Meat prices are still great, cheese got pricey (all of them), no idea about the other dairy items, they arenāt on sale. Price cap on pork thigh/butts nears the end but itās still present, I wonder how I will eat when itās over, I probably wonāt resist the siren song of the fatty cuts (I mean, I mostly will eat those for meat as I eat them regularly anyway as I love them too) but fattier meat probably suits OMAD better. It will be fine.
And I have heard things about supermarket egg prices, I am curious if they are really that bad. The greengrocery prices are okay, only double of the prices half a year agoā¦? I am bad with time and sometimes numbers too. For Hungary, next to a war and having serious agricultural problems due to lack of irrigation (they REALLY should realize ānobleā plants canāt work without water for monthsā¦ climate change arrived. ragweeds had their time of life though and it continues, they go strong now and poor Alvaro has a mild allergy to them. itās nothing almost all year but now he felt it when he tried to sleep but his nose was stuffed. it could be way worse, we literally live next to a field of them and they are everywhere when walking or cycling too and we both do that every day).
@JJFiddle: Oh, not weak as sick, I am fine since long but my weighlifting doesnāt go nearly as well as I would likeā¦ Itās normal to me, sadly, I keep using the same weights for very long, sometimes I skip 1-2 or more workouts for some reason and need to use smaller weights againā¦ ONCE, not even in the beginning I had some glorious month when I improved a lot and changed my weights every timeā¦
@Karen18: You are such a dearā¦ 
My relation with myself is complicated, I am extremely self-critical but I want good things for myself despite everything. My inner selves are in harmony, kind of. I know people with self-hate, that must be absolutely awful. I am nothing like that. Itās not hedonistic.
And I have TOO MANY struggles. Itās boring and disappointing. But hopefully it gets better now. I do have wonderful chill times. And then I get bored of my food but I will make sure I will have a proper variety even if my silly optimistic self thinks itās not necessarily. I learned my lesson regarding meat before, now itās about dairy.
Most of my dinner today (some eggs are missing and I didnāt eat all the quark. itās hard to eat it without its mate, sour cream):
I donāt remember if I wrote before but surely not that pork is good with mustard sauce too. Yolk and mustard, I stopped putting butter into it as it started to run out and Alvaro needs it more.
We found someone with hens again, selling small eggs. M, he said. I canāt imagine how S eggs look like then, these were tiny! But I am used to the average, XL onesā¦ The egg lady always sell that size except when they are a bit smaller or bigger. But the vast majority weigh 52g without shell. The same for greengrocery eggs but they are always that size, no huge or small ones happen or just super rarely. That is the normal size everywhere here. A farmerās market had 3 different sizes, that was different. But I never saw S eggs. The new egg seller has them as his hens are young but they use it up themselves.
The price is normal too, way less than the greengrocery eggs but the eggs are way smaller too. I measured them. They would be a tad pricier just looking at the weightā¦ But they have bigger yolks proportionally, itās normal, I always found smaller eggs having bigger yolks proportionally. But they vary and I wonāt measure them all out of curiosity. Maybe next time the eggs will be a bit bigger as the chickens grow up (they are adult sized but egg production follows a different logic) but he probably will raise the prices too then. We will see. The greengrocery never lacks eggs (we buy 90 at a time and itās never a problem) but itās still good to have other options.
They look even more fabulous than usualā¦ Those colors!!! And they do look nice to eat tooā¦
When in doubt, I always cook/fry/roast things longerā¦ Especially when chicken skin destined to be super crispy is present. That I never ever managed to make crispy without getting them off and frying separatelyā¦ But I use legs so itās different.
And is it legal to put it only in the smallprintā¦? 
Profit.
But why would anyone mix (sorry for the non-carni stuff) sugar and sweeteners? Itās the worst from both worlds! Actually, soy and beef is similar, one puts off certain groups, the other some other groups and it just doesnāt make any sense. But it really gets cheaper so maybe they think they can pull it off targeting less choosy peopleā¦?
(My. Beloved. Pickled. Herring!!! It has both and itās not even sweet food Itās an insult to herrings and me.)
And why to put coloring into something not colorful in the end either? Or drinks drank from a non-transparent little container? I saw coloring in odd places before.
Shinita
#190
Indeed, they probably becomes something differentā¦ I will look it up if I wonāt forget, I am bad with Chemistry but maybe I will understand something!
Plant carbs in tiny amounts arenāt a concern to me either way but itās good to know that lactose is better, I can get pretty much of that sometimesā¦ I never was sure about lactose. Sometimes it felt off a bit but then I drank a liter of milk and nothing so I canāt be even remotely sensitive to lactoseā¦ And as most dairy doesnāt satiate me well, I use them in moderation so never could figure out if the lactose in them interferes or not. I am sure liver and egg sugars are fine as I eat them often in significant amounts and I always felt the same as with almost no carbs. Lactose was the mystery.
Azi
(Linda )
#191
Ketodaisy
(Daisy)
#192
Had planned on a 72 hour fast, but my body said otherwise and I cut it at 24. Had some delicious egg bites I picked up on markdown this morning (with butter and goat cheese) and a couple hours later had half a New York strip and some raw beef fat.
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Shinita
#193
Thanks but itās very much not my style, most of the ingredients are out, itās too complicated and waaaaay too cheesy to me, super expensive too and eggs donāt have a main role either
I never will buy pork rinds, they cost as much as gold or they could do as far as I am concerned and donāt seem tempting anyway. Only saw them in one shop in my life.
I have enough recipes (and could make new ones any day) but I still need a bucket of sour cream asapā¦ Egg and meat still stays egg and meat, no matter what I do with them. I use various animals and organs but itās still not enough for long.
I prefer 1-2 ingredient things, I am glad not to overcomplicate my recipe making anymore (unless on my off days or when I bake something for Alvaro). When I tried to make egg white not-breads, I had 10-12 different buns in the oven! I stopped that quickly, my one ingredient sponge cakes are better.
But now I have zero boredom. I have hunger, very soft but insistent, more like lack of satiation but the type I canāt fall asleep with easily. RIP my OMAD day #2. I got hungry and ate eggs with some ham spread after midnight, that felt nice and no problem the next morning either.
So keeping my protein lower than 120g didnāt end well but of course I will continue my experiments as it was only one day (I experienced this many times but not when I tried to do OMAD).
Maybe itās not the protein but the amount of meat played a role tooā¦ So, so many things to try in September.
Karen18
(Karen)
#194
@Shinita may not want to make this but I have to admit it appeals to me! I would only put the meat in it though and probably add some extra different kinds of meat making it a multi meat pie 
I think I would slow cook some braising steak, pork belly and lamb then use the fatty juice to keep it moist in pie and add some cooked chicken or turkey ā¦ endless variations! 
Fangs
#195
a shopper after my own heart
I love hitting a good markdown!
Your puppy is adorable and I donāt think that poochie can take a bad pic! Now I am wanting a puppyā¦well want only cause yours is so cute. No more dogs for me for a while tho. Kid to college travel is gonna become my focus and will be nice to be petless when I start more travel for a while.
----------------got a NY Strip steak for later. Second meal I think just chicken. Woke up with no food calling my name really. Kinda that just eat whatever day and donāt worry about it. I like those days.
Simplest zc is best for me at all times. More I āget involvedā with food the worse I do. Of course that is why I SO try to control the family meals with super ease and they are finally more on board with thatā¦so I won in that realm of changing them over to alot of meat and a small side. No more fancy smachy ever type cooking for this olā gal. lol.
ZC strong guysā¦amost 1/2 way thru the month and then we got Oct looming in on us. Time sure does fly it seems for me. Air had a ānipā in it, more like that CHILL nip ya knowā¦booā¦precious summer is wanting to leave.
JJFiddle
(Judy Thompson)
#196
@Fangs did Bolt pass and did I miss that, or forget?
Just wondering. If so, condolences! Youāve been through a lot with him lately.
On seafood: yes, itās beautiful and the presentation is amazing. Iāll take some pics for you tomorrow night. But Iāve played in restaurants for nearly 50 years! Canāt believe it. By now it is just art 
@Azi Crazy recupe. Oddly enough Iāve made stuff with pork rinds - chaffles, pizza dough - hubby likes it but to me itās heavy and salty and not worth the bother.
@Shinita interesting commentary on egg sizes. Recently I wanted to make deviled eggs for a gathering I attended and asked for medium eggs but there are no longer medium eggs at the store! The guy said his L and XL now. Dad used to raise quail, the eggs were so cute. But no more.
Yesterday morning I put 3 packaged rib eyes in sous vide @129Ā° for a couple hours. Hubby heated up the charcoal and seared them, and I added a couple deviled eggs to the plate (large).
Lastnight I threw a frozen lb pkg of grassfed beef in the sous vide at 100Ā° while we sat on the deck, then ate half of it raw and warm with real salt. Best easy meal! Sinky food 
Today will be long. Hubby and I play 12-4 at the winery for an Air Force graduation (just our duo) then to Luckenbach pickers circle another 4 hours. Poor puppy, at home alone.
Fangs
#197
no he aināt dead just yet LOL
yea he has this seizure med issue but seems very stable. he is 12 now, not sure how much longer but once he is gone I wonāt be ādogginā upā again til I know where I land, cause travel and he comes with us now means alot of work for his safety etc and I want freedom, yea I mighta made it sound like he is gone but he aināt HA
here he is still kickinā
see that tongue? That is seizure dog tongue. Since he started those his tongue is almost always like thatā¦see dogs with this type of issue you can kinda know they are seizure med dogs. He never had tongue out til like 3 yrs ago when this started happening to him. Meds he is on are toughies so I know they are gonna cut down his longevity cause vet said it will go down that way. Donāt worry ever on Bolt, thing has lived so well and great and he has all good days to come just cause I swear the dog lives better than me HAHA
would love to see your work restaurant for sure! appreciate any pics, I love seeing how one works and more.
Shinita
#198
I have read backā¦
Oh I can relate so, so, so much
Freshly made pork can be pretty irresistible to me as well.
Exactly. Communication is important!
I say my things back and as long as I am not unjustly attacked (I hate that and had it enough on worse forums. not a lot but I prefer zero) or even if I do but it can get solved by talking, all is well enough 
I remember when Fangs had problems with me in the very beginning I already forgot what happened but she is such a very enthusiastic, chill and welcoming person that even my special sensitive self couldnāt have problems. Well, she is the one who knows how to communicate Yay for our beloved kind of leader here!
@Ketodaisy: Oh, best wishes for you and the new fluffball girl too! So adorable 
I hope I never will have problems with any items. At least not the ones I still likeā¦ It will be interesting to see what will happen when I finally can do carnivore monthsā¦ I am not among the ones who are afraid losing the ability to eat things, I am looking forward to figure things out.
Ages ago when carnivore was some extreme weird thing to me (no judge or anything but it seemed infinitely far from me) I thought (because of something I read I suppose, I donāt invent things without any base. I may extrapolate or have hypotheses and they may be wrong of course but I base it on something. I had no knowledge about the human body on carnivore at that time) that with only animal items, the gut biome totally changes and plants become impossible to digest, it can change back but it takes some uncomfortable time. It seems itās not that simple so I donāt think so now. But I still know very little about it.
But some people are super sensitive and canāt even touch tiny amounts of innocent looking items without negative consequences, itās quite odd to me that itās so very commonā¦
What weird spoiled creature is he that he says NO to some meat? Never saw that from my animals! The same with eggs. EXCEPT when my bicycle dropped with 60 eggs in its basket (I thought it will be okay as it usually is when its basket isnāt too heavy), some eggs broke (only a few was lost, thankfully. more like one and 3 tiny whites) and we brought Pie and she barely licked up some of itā¦ Maybe the basket and the grass bothered her, who knows? Normally they adore proper food. I canāt be amazed enough when they eat up many little bones, sinew, very hard parts and even something that is mostly tallowā¦ Even if I would be willing to eat tallow, I couldnāt eat it alone but the cats have no such problems. Itās something from an animal? Itās good then. Of course they all adore sour cream. Apparently no cats of ours is lactose intolerant at the moment. And for many, many years I hope. They are all young enough, 7, 4, 1 years old I think. And all are good at hunting mice and voles.
@FrankoBear: You have some interesting pretty flowers there I never sawā¦!
Weather is nice now, sunny and 24C.
And I read back completely. Yay!
Meanwhile Alvaro came home but I ate so much before (my hunger continuedā¦ itās a bit crazyā¦ I donāt want dairy now, I want meat. ZERO problem with pork at the moment) I take a break right now. Maybe later I eat one of the chicken legs I roasted with some mexican spice as itās just chicken, it needs some strong spice.
So I have an unusual strong example of my meaty high-cal days. I get these when I neglect meat a little. Itās not like I stopped eating meat though and I ate pretty much just a few days agoā¦ And I have my eggsā¦ No idea why my body has such a sharp āattitude changesā sometimes. I just roll with it, I always have some kind of meat at hand nowadays. But itās quite tiresome when I am this hungry. And I donāt feel I made some horrible mistake this time. But fine, I get my leaner pork tomorrow and will make sure to eat a pound of it every dayā¦ Or replace it with some other meat.
Today I ate up my almost 70/30 fried pork (yummy this time) and a few eggs, some sponge cake s with the leftover ham spread. It was good and now I can rest in peace. Btw, Halloween months are coming! October and November. Every day is Halloween to me if I want to, itās my year long holiday but October and November are even more so. I mean business this year and make little tombstones and whatnot. I need to paint the poor frog on my terrace already. There is a primer Alvaro used on Yardis (his tiny Yaris that is bigger on the inside :D), I can use that first and thenā¦ We will see. But I want a Halloween frog. I have bones and a skeletonā¦ Zillion big spiders too, of course, I keep them on the windows and at other places since years. Spiders are fun and impossible to get bored of. Just like skulls but skulls are pretty too. Some spiders are pretty but not the big black plastic ones. I have a plushieā¦ I forgot the name, itās a super kawaii jumping frog, animated, having a kidās voice? His name is on my tongue but nope, I donāt remember. I have a plushie of him. That is cute. Jumping spiders are very cute anyway.
I watched many Halloween videos lately, some involved food (oh I know what I will do with the jar of black olivesā¦ I used to make spiders from them but I forgot but there were other ideas) and some of them are even a good idea to make as itās mostly artistic work (or bread making that I do for Alvaro every week anyway), no sugar and Alvaro can eat them. But I went to the non-edible permanent things. I am not into pumpkins but even they can be made nicely without too much work. I am not a carver, I donāt even have proper tools for it.
But itās only mid-September, almost summerā¦
But mornings can be 9C now!!! I am sleeping when itās that early so I donāt notice it and when I walk, I always regret if I wear a short sleeved t-shirtā¦ Too hot.
Oh yes, they are adorable Not only tiny but so prettily spotted too! A work of art, every quail egg! The birds look lovely too.
Fangs
#199
Hey hey, I agree, we sure did have āour timesā in the old days.
but I am not a kinda leader here and I kinda donāt want that status truly I am just part of this thread and just happen to be a longer carnivore than others but darn the ānew like yr and more carni peopleā aināt smart as whips on this plan and even our newest people on plan are coming into the lifestyle with so much great knowledge and understanding that is a breath of fresh air that the ZC info IS out and getting to all. We are finding great truths on this lifestyle. I also love that we all get each other about the carni lifestyle and experiences and knowledge equals us in the threadā¦means alot to me we have great chats.
I am a blabber mouth on the zc lifestyle and sure send out posts about it and how great it has been for meā¦so I am just part of the group and want no extra crap thrown on me LOL I canāt live up to anything like that and donāt want tooā¦just me and you chatting and finding our way on an internet forum ya know. We came a long way for sure!
but yea girl, me and you had words TIL I FINALLY figured you out a bit more!! I thought it was more you couldnāt commit to ZC and not even try to work it differently for you even tho you wanted this lifestyle but then I realized you are on āon a journey toward zcā and not there yet and kinda didnāt wanna jump right in cause it didnāt suit you. Then I started to figure out your posts more LOL
it is communication but you are sure a solid part of this olā thread that has been going on for years now and that is a great thing. Love reading your lifestyle with Alvaro and how your life goes down and are kind enough to share it all with us!
It is all good on our thread S for all of us I think!!
Shinita
#201
Yeah, I just didnāt find a better word, I did include ākind ofā before it to make it softer a bit
Itās just said in a playful sense. You started these threads and you have a special role in them, hence the āleadershipā You are a veteran tooā¦
And meā¦ and carnivoreā¦ Thatās complicated a bit. I really do my best quite often but my best canāt amount to much from some of your viewpoint I guess. I have my limits though I keep pushing on them. I feel how much I actually do and how much I changed and evolvedā¦ But I am still lacking I know. But I donāt give up I am almost pleased with what I have when I am well supplied.
Meanwhile I had my chicken leg, it felt like a little snackā¦ But hopefully stuffed the greedy mouth of my meat hunger for now! It was surprisingly good. Not substantial but good.
Now that I ate almost enough, I do fancy some dessert. I miss my sour cream a bit but I eat my little leftover quark instead.
EDIT: I tracked my day including the after midnight eating I normally track for the previous day.
210g protein, 250g fat in 3 meals. Over 10 eggs and around 800g meatā¦? I could eat more but I donāt need it.
IDK what is this but sometimes my body wants more food specifically meat. And now I had enough and the appetite for it too.