Carnivore ZC SurfTurf-tember! 30-day September Challenge. 2022


(Linda ) #81

I’ve been carnivore since feb 2021. The reason I started watching my blood was I was pre diabetic before going keto in 2020. But had reversed it with keto.
Since going carnivore I’ve been under Dr Cywes all my cholesterol was out of wack which he turned around but he did that by manipulation of fat to protein ratios…during the time I’ve been carnivore I’ve gained weight which I didn’t like esp now when None of my then clothes fit i was at goal weight…but on top of that i took a blood sugar reading and it had me at pre diabetic numbers again, im not willing to go back to that… a so im using eat to my meter to get it back to normal ranges.
I’m still eating carnivore because I love carnivore and no desire to change that but ignoring the weight gain and now the rising blood sugar is not smart either I don’t go back to Dr C til December so hopefully by then I’ve at least got my blood sugar back in the optimal range.
Not snacking is part of his program his motto snacking is always an emotional event not because of hunger…
I grew up in New zealand and dinner was always at 5pm so there was no snacking at night we only ever had take out once per week on friday night …I never had a issue with weight back then…

This mornings blood reading was 90 followed by breakfast 1 smallish flanken rib 2 bacon two fried eggs and goat cheese…im yet to have my coffee but I’m full so may leave that til later in the day and have sparkling water…
@Fangs I think you meant that for Megan


#82

typo maybe? Are you a this long zc? I think typos like mine and maybe yours?? not sure HAHA…we will get it straight at some point LOL

THANK YOU SO MUCH for pointing out my error!


(Linda ) #83

Thank you yes typo 2021…


#84

agree here if one is controlling their menu so tight.
again we always say on zc is eat animal only…ALL YOU want at ALL times and that changes us but if one controls and gets in their own way on ‘how they feel this should go down’ on a daily life eating plan, in a big way, one can’t ever win.

carni is eat meat. seafood/fish or fowl. ALL ya want and then live thru that change as we as a person experience it but if one won’t or for whatever reason can’t come to this point yet…we get it…we been there, but the eating of the ALL animal just changes us IF WE let it happen and just give up that ghost of what if I do this? what if I do that? what if I am hungry? what if I am not?

key being again and this IS ZC…eat all ya need and let it change each person as it will do so that kinda boils it down to something so simple. Might suit some but not suit another but if we DO THE plan all in then we see in full truth as it works of ourselves.

5-6 yrs ago anyone telling me I would be zc.
hell no…haha…
but look at me now.

Many work and change and just give into what they need to thrive and find that forward path…sometimes control is the thing we must must must give up and it can send us to way higher planes of well being.

ok just chat on it as usual…we chat on zc LOL


#85

My plan for this day. I surely won’t stray too far, it’s nice and varied and it’s not like I have something else to eat :slight_smile:

We had lunch. I was a tad unsure if I should eat as my satiation/hunger meter was crazy, satiated/slightly hungry/nope I am okay, it happened in the last 10 mins but when in doubt, let’s try to eat nowadays so I did.
I finished my scrambled eggs with the fatty pork inside and had a little liver. It’s not even a tiny meal, the pork crumbles were estimated at 420kcal… I am not perfectly satiated but had enough and feel good.
The ugly thing in the cup is my not smooth pâté, I just used a fork and too little patience so the liver is in quite macroscopic pieces but it will do :slight_smile: Liver, lard and some spices.
Today shouldn’t be a problem and tomorrow I will have beef.

Today I had to get out the coffee jar from Alvaro’s room so now I test what happens if I am in the same room with it. I am sure I won’t have any but I am curious if my thoughts will be haunted…
Sometimes I wonder about what level of distance does what. I am pretty lucky, a closed box in the freezer or the coffee not very much hidden in Alvaro’s room (there were times when I didn’t know the place, of course I could have found it easily and since some time I have full awareness) combined with my belief that I should let it be and some extra determination or when it runs out, habit makes wonders. No, the extra conditions are only for coffee, with meat or something it’s just the closed box in the freezer. The fridge does nothing but the freezer says it’s for the future :smiley: Of course it’s different with meat, I eat it if I need it - but it’s the same with coffee, actually, I just never possibly need it. It’s coffee, not food and finally, slowly I learned that it DOESN’T help with headache. It did 20 years ago, yes, not anymore. It does help with serious carb poisoning but I don’t get that anymore. Oh my, a few years ago I totally could reach that… It was rare but happened. My carnivore times had a double positive effect on it: I lost interest in carbs enough not to do it even on my wilder days - and with lower carb intake on average I handle the occasional carbs way better. And I learned that fatty protein is my friend and I shouldn’t release their hand when eating quick carbs, not even when my desires malfunction and I am not compelled to eat them. Still, it’s obviously best to keep such things to a minimum, whatever that means, future will tell. I am pretty curious about my October and December, my two definitely non-carnivore month until June. There is no way around that at this point but it doesn’t mean I need to be wilder than normal. I totally plan to do almost completely carni weeks in those months too. And I very nearly never PLAN carbier times. They happen anyway, I really don’t need to encourage them. But it’s so strange, I may manage to eat carni when I do plan eating certain special time limited (that is dangerous for me, too tempting) carbs but my body decides it doesn’t want that now AT ALL. This is something quite novel, I am good at sticking to my “here is the time, let’s eat this and that” plans, desires or not. It’s some… Self-compulsion? I have these fixed things, I decide and it’s hard to change my mind, it’s not just about food. But if it’s about the wrong food, it’s not nearly as effective as real compulsion. Good. I will be a proper hedonist one day!
So I just wondered about how serious or tiny obstacles and mind games one may need to behave. Sometimes it’s so simple and still works on someone like me (when I am cooperative, at least but it really does small wonders). And some people can’t be trusted with certain substances in the same house. But sometimes different towns aren’t far enough, that’s some serious craving when you travel huge distances at night to get something, I never was THAT bad (or I was merely lazy, who knows)?
I think while I easily form addiction, they aren’t super strong. Or just rarely, I did read books all day and night, ruining my next day with the lack of sleep… Reading is probably my greatest addiction and no, it’s definitely not a good or harmless thing.
My food addiction is quite horrible (counting reading, writing and thinking about it. it takes too much time but I can’t turn it off easily. my eating isn’t horrible. not always okay but not horrible) and sometimes alarming but not the highest possible level. And some parts are very good. I keep reading about people who can’t stop eating certain items. But I just trained and it easily lowered my amounts (to ridiculous amounts except my staples but I didn’t even try to lower those much) even regarding the food I formed a serious addiction with (as serious as someone like me could. I could give up ANYTHING if really needed). I mean peanuts as my serious addiction. I couldn’t just train that out before carnivore but with the extra help it became ridiculously easy. My default dose it right now is just smelling it (I won’t give that up, it’s harmless and wonderful :smiley: I love the smell of roasted, salted peanuts, mmmmm), the next is 0.3g - a half piece, the smallest in the jar except broken halves but they are rare -, then 5g then 10g and I need something crazy to go over that pretty generous amount I often can’t even finish. And I barely could stop before carnivore. I ate it every day for years except maybe when I spent some time away from my house but I usually brought some with me even then, good travel food. Not effective but nice. I had so many days when I just went wild with it in the evening or at night when it’s easiest to go wild… I still didn’t eat a ton, Alvaro easily had 250g in one sitting while I probably didn’t… But still, I ate way too much and it’s not proper food to me, no satiation, merely joy. Coffee is another matter entirely, that was way, way, way harder than anything else. I have a momentum now and I wanna keep it!

I wrote about carbs again. I will try to remember not to. Even though they are important to me, I experience good changes regarding that since carnivore… But I wrote more than enough about them at this point, probably.

I eat anything I want at any time including carbs, I have that, no problem.
But what if any food turns me off, disgust me, makes me gag but I am hungry? This is where I face problems and need to think a lot to solve it. I prefer to chill but I can’t have that all the time.
I definitely can’t control things, I always was horrible at that. More control would be totally nice but only a tad more and in a way where it feels no control, I just desire the right stuff… That’s my end goal.

Now it seems to work, I offer a wide variety of carni food to myself (allows spices as I need them now I think) and it’s enough. After the beef and maybe the tongue and turkey I surely will like pork again but I will be a tad more careful with it… And add variety even if I don’t feel the need yet.

:frowning: I only wanted to bring my photo with a few words… I STILL didn’t learn basic facts about myself. Or I do know them in some vague abstract way but there is always hope.


(Linda ) #86

2nd meal unfortunately was later than I wanted it was after 3pm but we had to go pick up our travel trailer which they said was ready only to get there and find things still not fixed they only had it since I think end of March.
So the guy fixed them while we waited I wasn’t hungry but got hungry by the time we arrived. Home…

Food 2 bacon 1 flanken rib 2 fried eggs and
egg yolk coffee …


(Karen) #87

Easy do nothing day today.

Bruch at midday


2 thin rump steaks … thought there was only one in the pack but bonus time there were two! Half cooked them and they were very nice.

Pork cops cooked in slow cooker and fell apart on plate, at least the ones in bottom of cooker did, 2 on top were a bit chewy so I chucked those…


Followed by literally a morsel of smoked salmon and rest returned to fridge for when my body tells me it needs to stock up on salt! Too much for my liking so had a jar of mussels instead.
Now in bed for work tomorrow.


#88

No walk today except a tiny one to the hilltop after dark. It felt nice, breeze, moon, a few stars…

I got hungry after my good old 3 hours but I only ate like 2 hours later, after 7:30pm. Bad idea (but the best at that point), IDK why but late meals typically feel off and I often have a nearly unsatiable state… I ate everything I left at lunch and more (an egg and some pork chuck roast as I gave up my fried pork after 15g…).
Now I am wonderfully satiated. Guesstimated 1850 kcal, 150g protein. I couldn’t stop at 120g. Would my satiation arrive later? Was it the protein or the fat or my food choices or my timing? No idea. If I want to experiment regarding satiation vs macros, I would need something simpler like OMAD… We will see if I will have such a phase.

Tomorrow I will cook my beef!!! It’s not as small as I remembered! But not big. 850g with the bone? And Alvaro probably will want a little bit too. It surely will be good but I hope I will accidentally make it really good! (It’s not like I will have much idea what I will be doing :D) We always just made stew from it, beef shank is great for that.
I am looking forward to it, today’s meals were easy to eat and satiating but not as joyous as I am used to. Not bad but not good enough.


(Megan) #89

Hi Linda, I’ve heard about higher cholesterol and temporary weight gain in some but not blood sugar increases. I’m trying to make sense of why blood sugar levels would increase and can’t. What’s your take on it? Seems to fly in the face of what should happen on carni, and even stranger that they came right on keto and have gone up again on carni. Awesome you are tracking them and figuring out your body’s response to what you eat. What are your blood sugar levels throughout the day? I know the dawn effect makes them high-ish in many people 1st thing.

I was born in 1961 so yea, that’s how we ate back then. It’s probably how many people in western countries ate back then. I came across a ketoer on youtube recently (Br Boz?) who recommends not eating after the sun sets. Makes a lot of sense to me. Not something I do tho b/c I am a terrible night owl, often not asleep until 2-3am. Maybe one day, when I grow up, I’ll start putting myself to bed early, wag my finger at myself and tell myself to go to sleep! Probably when I’m 90 and demented and return to being a child lol

I really enjoy reading your posts.


(Megan) #90

lol @Fangs, I hope I’m not sounding like I’m preaching anything. If I’m totally honest, most of that post was a bit of a gentle, but passive aggressive attempt to communicate something, which I should do directly in future. Bad me. Not re anything you’ve said by the way. But, back to chatting with you. I dunno Fangs, maybe it’ll turn out that I’ve gotten it all wrong, for me, but what I have decided is I’m giving carni at least a full year, then take a look at how I feel, check out the bod in the mirror, and go to the doc and get a crap ton of blood tests done to see what’s going on inside.

Given some of the changes will be stuff going on inside my body that I can’t see, and given some things I can measure like increased energy could well take quite a while for me to experience (I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia 35 years ago, and in the past 10 or so years it’s been really bad), I feel like I have 2 choices. I can either relax and just eat and evolve without forcing change, or I can question this process for a year. Am I doing this right? Am I eating too much protein? Too much fat? Too little fat? Too many calories. Not enough calories? Should I be eating more this and that for xyz nutrient? How often should I be eating that for xyz nutrient? Am I slowing down the healing by drinking coffee? How dose dependent is that slowing down? What about the greek yoghurt I eat? And the cream in my coffee? Should I be at least doing a test period of ditching dairy to see if I tolerate it as well as I think I do? Maybe I don’t tolerate it well but I don’t know I don’t b/c I’ve never cut it out before. Blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah.

What’s helping me to chose the relax and just eat option is I am losing weight. About 2 pounds a week if I average it out from my start date. If I wasn’t losing weight I’d be in a completely different place mentally. So, thank God I am. But I’m reminded, in writing that, that I can and should only ever speak for myself, in anything I say here. B/c some peoples’ experience is very different.

I’m really heartened by a recent experience tho. I had a 3 week period recently where I didn’t lose any weight (I weigh every 3-4 weeks). I looked at the number on the scale and thought “Hmm, that’s interesting”. That was it! That’s all I thought. I had next to no emotional response either. I just went on with my day. Amazing! (for me)


(Linda ) #91

I listened to a you tube from Dr Ben bickman and this question was asked… part of it is blood cells living longer but he also thinks that some of us are a bit more protein sensitive than others …but other than that they really don’t know but he said its one question he gets asked the most…

But so far this seems to be working for my sugars im not counting calories im not counting macros
If my blood sugar is up during the day I change to leaner protein for 2nd meal or cut my portion back slightly to what I’d normally have cooked if it’s dropping I stay with what I’m eating…
I noticed when I ate today eggs bacon and beef I can easily go 6 or more hours not eating so I dropped the cheese of my last meal since it was later…


(Megan) #92

Ahh that’s interesting. I wonder if the being a bit more sensitive to protein thing is why consuming more than “moderate protein” kicks so many ppl out of ketosis or really lowers their blood ketone levels.


(Megan) #93

haha @FrankoBear

Fond of a slice or 3 myself sometimes!


#94

no, it isn’t preachy like that, I mean AMEN that you are chatting what ‘the entire core concept’ is about zc. It is eat. Just eat. Eat all you need and listen to the body and it will change your food intake as it requires. So we just relax like ya said, forget the dieting nonsense, just eat the meat/seafood/fish and fowl you need on any given day and the body will do the rest. Worst tho it does all changes on it’s timeline, not ours in our brain HAHA

Sit back and let the plan do its job. To change us into a whole new us and better well being. Again, some fit into this plan like white on rice and some people fight it constantly and can’t handle it…sounds like you are one who zc suits well.

we always have options to change later and focus on us more if needed but key is if we allow the plan to do the repair work on the body, it will do just that :slight_smile:

more mental clarity and a reminder our bodies feel better and we gain energy and have a better daily existence, means we don’t have to worry about that darn lb that didn’t come off in a few weeks from that scale! Don’t worry, it will.

yea any testing should be at least 6 mos. and a yr before any testing like chol. etc. is recommended. some people change alot faster, others it takes time for that body to ‘reset’ so time on this plan is key. good move.

You have a great attitude, enjoyed reading your thoughts!!

---------------for me keeping day simple
ribeye. defrosted small package.
and I will do a few chicken breasts for second meal.
‘‘might’’ get jiggy and make homemade alfredo…we shall see, lol


#95

I couldn’t resist, again. Some comments just give me so many thoughts and I like thinking about myself, sadly :slight_smile:

That is the part I like best in carni. I eat mostly meat and eggs so everything should be perfect. If not, my body will tell me :slight_smile:
All the stressing over micronutrients so many people do, nope, that’s not hedonistic, I pretty much ignored it except a few fragments like magnesium because I had problems with that. I looked things up, realized I never will get the recommended amount of my food and me being me, I never will supplement it unless I have cramps and I take one pill and forget about it for weeks.
But somehow eating much meat solved that so all is well.
Sometimes I wonder how I won’t get scurvy with my well-cooked meat and usually super tiny amount of plants but it was okay this far :smiley: I know my vitamin C need must be very low but still… But until I am fine, I don’t worry about it. I heard about carnivores not focusing on raw-ish meat and still not having problems… It’s just interesting how things work out, I would like to read about numbers :smiley: Not like I care much about experiments, well they may be informative sometimes but in the end it’s my individual body. I am a human and human bodies have a few things in common diet wise, I am most interested in that. I keep reading zillion things about satiation and whatnot and the vast majority of it totally fails in my case. Satiation is the most varied thing though :slight_smile: But even our nutrient needs vary a lot…

Too much stressing about details is unhealthy and not hedonistic. But some people can’t avoid it, apparently.
The questions about the macros aren’t questions to me. Yes, I eat too much fat and protein (maybe not protein. I have many 120g days but of course I can’t avoid my higher ones, it’s fine, my body doesn’t complain if I go even way higher so it’s not a health concern, it’s an overeating fat and wasting protein concern. mostly the former, I may need my food, not for protein but for micronutrients, who knows? I surely don’t so I follow my body whose job is to know and desire things and communicate it to me in a very clear and assertive way) and should go lower with both. It’s my life :smiley: Not each and every day but usually. But I am hopeful September will be right. My numbers weren’t too bad this far :slight_smile: But now I go for OMAD and it offers me experiments :smiley: I LOVE experiments, they are mentally very healthy to me (usually physically too, of course), I don’t have enough fun and that’s very bad for a hedonist.

I think I was pretty chill in the first several years when I stalled… Compared to now. I mean business now but of course I still have my limits, I don’t do hard things if it’s about my diet unless it’s life or death or almost. Losing fat isn’t my top priority. But it’s still annoying that I absolutely can’t. This far. I put all my hopes in the next several months :slight_smile: I learned and changed enough. Still room for some experiments but I really do that for fun for the most part even though I use the knowledge I may get.

I don’t remember when we ate when I was a child but surely not super early considering my lunch was after 2pm… Things got more serious later, I had to eat after 9-10pm. Not ideal but the best option of all. I surely never would care about eating vs sunlight, I care about what is good and bad for me. I don’t need strangers to tell me their opinions when I just should follow my individual body and mind and circumstances. And why the sun? It may go down super early. 4pm for me, earlier for people living at the North (it’s always down in winter in extreme cases). Why can’t we just use the time? Much more logical to me as my body wants the same all year long, timing and the type and amount of food never changes as far as I can tell. It was surely a bit different for my peasant anchestors but I don’t live like that. 4pm is good to start to eat my first meal, definitely not good to end my day (it’s possible but highly unlikely. I probably get hungry later and no way I starve myself, my views and abilities nicely aligned regarding that).


Hi guys, have a nice day! We have great weather and I pressure cooked the beef shank :slight_smile: I will finish it later, freshly made food is too tempting, it’s already edible, very probably but I can behave while perfectly satiated. Eating late caused some usual pressure in me again. Hard to explain, it’s not even unpleasant just odd, it comes in the morning and not always. On carnivore too. I really am a natural afternoon eater, I should avoid eating at any other time if possible. Hopefully I will get rid of this glitch, it isn’t good even if I just have a late dinner and not some unnecessary, overeating night eating, I lost that problem already. I hope. I didn’t have it lately, at least. I am not prone to eat early but I can eat too late too easily. But if I manage to eat well during the day, it can’t happen. Not “easy not to eat”, it’s impossible to do without some serious force I am not even sure I am capable of. With me, this state is needed. If I can eat, I probably eat if I am not very well-fasted. My (general, not momentary) wishes are different but they don’t help so much.
Perfect satiation is the BEST. And I get it on carnivore, normally. Oh that is another answer to why I try to do carni. It’s a wonderful state. Peace, chill, no food problems… And no overeating at all. And I just need to eat well at the right time.

I got these very varied articles on my tablet and sometimes I can’t resist food related ones, I don’t know why, they don’t do good to me… The site was called Eating Well and I disagree. It followed some trendy health views, I didn’t bat an eye, the photos were beautiful anyway… But when they said people often ignore lunch because of work (wow, it is a common thing, really? my coworkers always had substantial lunches. it’s not like one MUST work for 8-10-12 hours nonstop to be productive, rather the contrary) and showed some simple and of course, super healthy lunch options… I didn’t look at them from my own, not very typical viewpoint (well I partially did, I can’t turn it off but I looked at from another too). I know people may eat super super super tiny meals. But stating it’s so healthy and good for us to eat 275kcal lunches with 2.6 or 3.1g protein… :scream: These were the worst, sometimes the lunch had turkey, bacon, eggs and cheese. 3 ounces of turkey, 2 rashers of bacon, 2 eggs and a little cheese (1/2 cup? it is not an amount to me, cups are so crazy and uninformative). For 4 portions. It looked very nice on all the salad leaves but having it in the middle of the day, working for hours before and after… Okay, I don’t wanna criticize mealsizes, of course they are very individual.
But the protein in some lunches, ouch.
They weren’t so bad with the non-salad options, there was 4oz chicken, it’s even normal for some people, I heard.
They weren’t too shy with fat though, well percentage wise. There were low-carb options, after all, with little protein because it seems it’s their thing. But why?

Oh and it’s the farthest from carnivore but did you know that people eat raw vegetable sandwiches? (IDK if they do but the site had recipes for zillions. They looked pretty :slight_smile: Not tempting at all but pretty, I appreciate beauty.) Some had a little cheese but some probably don’t. Is that a thing now? Even I rarely ate such a thing and that was fried vegs and very good… And very occasional, I always was big on protein, my body wanted it galore all my life. So it’s a bit odd to me when other people don’t notice even when they eat super little. Their body must be broken.

2.6g protein in the lunch. Not in some ignorant people’s life but as an advice for a healthy, good lunch that gives your body nutrients.
I feel sorry for some people now.
It’s CRAZY. We KNOW we need protein. And while some people easily can pull such things off, I doubt that a strangely health conscious salad lover will put enough protein in their other meals if that is a nice lunch idea for them.

By the way, it’s super odd to me to see all the vegetables in dishes. I changed SO MUCH. Of course I would have missed my proper amount of fatty proteins anyway but I truly look at vegs and can’t interpret them as food, it’s odd. Maybe that’s why I am unable to cook vegs for Alvaro. Only legumes, they have protein and calories and I am willing to spend 1-2 minutes on the easiest one to give him lunch for 4-5 days (though I still may need to make some protein as even he needs more and it is important for flavors and other nutrients too, today it’s cheesy egg fluffs again. I fixed my grinder - I dislike grate cheese but my seed grinder was fine for hard pieces - but cheese slices break it again… so I grated them :frowning: just a bit, I survive but I can really dislike certain simple things).

Oops. I should stick a note here about not writing about carbs (and not being here before 2-3pm either. I always broke it this far except when I took out my wifi card and disappeared for days. I wake up as a zombie, do something in the kitchen as I only can do that… today it was totally required anyway… and cooking makes me wanting to read and write about food more. I am a horrible addict).


#96

:100: :ok_hand: so agree, the body shows us where we are drawn. need more fat in our meal, we know, we head for it :wink:, need some fish or sardines from that category we eat it. so true about carni.


#97

It was for the nutrient part I don’t feel normally :slight_smile: I never really lacked any apart from magnesium but my body gave me signs then too… It’s good that meat has everything. I even add other things and don’t eat a ton of bad things so what could possibly go wrong with a healthy body like mine? :smiley:
It must be horrible to track every little thing, look up what contains how much and being worried over that too. I have my own baggage, I don’t need THAT too.

Macros are easy, my body tends to guide me quite well. I would need something serious focus to fight against my automatic ~65% fat intake, even now when not ALL of my food is there to begin with. I wrote it before that now I totally feel my body wants more eggs or more meat. Or I can take an educated guess, at least. Why it matters which I eat short term I have no idea but I tend to miss both/any when I neglect them a little. My macros are fine but I ate too little of either in the last days? My body can’t reach perfect satiation and satisfaction and nudges me. And I eat some and things get immediately calmed.

We had lunch. I stopped when hungry as I got bored with everything. But this is baby hunger and it will go away soon :slight_smile:
The beef is chewy but well cooked, edible, not bad but lacking alone. It needs some sauce or something…? No wonder we prefer making stews from this cut, that is a great option.
But the cooking liquid with my fav spices in it was very tasty and I had a nice little course paired with some meat and a poached egg (an exploded one? the pressure cooker is high and the water level was low :smiley: I don’t mind). But I have no more soup (it totally tasted like soup. it was soup) but a lot of meat. I forgot beef is so different, a pound may last forever, at least the chewier cuts with lots of sinew.
There was little marrow as it was the end of the bone. I don’t mind, it tasted tallow (not like pure tallow but too much tallow mixed with something else, like a milder, non-ruminant marrow) and I dislike tallow. It’s fine and dandy together with meat but this way, not so much. But I ate that too.
And some eggs and pork and liver.
It’s easy to eat these days and I have enough variety so I don’t starve but it’s still way better when I like my pork. At least I don’t eat unnecessarily much now…

I want more fish. I get 1kg hake and figure out some good, simple recipes! I keep tinned stuff for emergency too but they are way more expensive while not so good. I can do better from hake.
There was a lovely herring with mustard sauce, yolk and mustard (and probably too much sugar, it surely wasn’t perfect but the yolk and mustard was a nice idea as I love both)… I will try something along those lines, among others.


(Linda ) #98

I surely never would care about eating vs sunlight, I care about what is good and bad for me. I don’t need strangers to tell me their opinions when I just should follow my individual body and mind and circumstances. And why the sun?
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A study in mice from the O’Donnell Brain Institute and UC Irvine shows that eating at abnormal times disrupts the biological clock of the skin, including the daytime potency of an enzyme that protects against the sun’s harmful ultraviolet radiation.

Although further research is needed, the finding indicates that people who eat late at night may be more vulnerable to sunburn and longer-term effects such as skin aging and skin cancer, said Dr. Joseph S. Takahashi, Chairman of Neuroscience at UT Southwestern Medical Center’s

A growing body of research suggests that our bodies function optimally when we align our eating patterns with our circadian rhythms, the innate 24-hour cycles that tell our bodies when to wake up, when to eat and when to fall asleep. Studies show that chronically disrupting this rhythm — by eating late meals or nibbling on midnight snacks, for example — could be a recipe for weight gain and metabolic trouble.

During the day, the pancreas increases its production of the hormone insulin, which controls blood sugar levels, and then slows it down at night. The gut has a clock that regulates the daily ebb and flow of enzymes, the absorption of nutrients and the removal of waste. The communities of trillions of bacteria that comprise the microbiomes in our guts operate on a daily rhythm as well. These daily rhythms are so ingrained that they are programmed in our DNA: Studies show that in every organ, thousands of genes switch on and switch off at roughly the same time every day.

“We’ve inhabited this planet for thousands of years, and while many things have changed, there has always been one constant: Every single day the sun rises and at night it falls,” Dr. Panda said. “We’re designed to have 24-hour rhythms in our physiology and metabolism. These rhythms exist because, just like our brains need to go to sleep each night to repair, reset and rejuvenate, every organ needs to have down time to repair and reset as well.”

Inspired by this research, Dr. Peterson conducted a tightly controlled experiment in a small group of prediabetic men. In one phase of the study, the subjects ate their meals in a 12-hour daily window for five weeks. In the other phase, they were fed the same meals in a six-hour window beginning each morning. The researchers had the subjects eat enough food to maintain their weight so they could assess whether the time-restricted regimen had any health benefits unrelated to weight loss.

It did. On the time-restricted regimen, the men had lower insulin, reduced levels of oxidative stress, less nighttime hunger and significantly lower blood pressure. Their systolic pressure, the top number, fell by roughly 11 points, and their diastolic pressure dropped by 10 points.

“It was a pretty large effect,” Dr. Peterson said. “It was exciting but also shocking.”

Maybe you don’t think your Bio clocks is a real thing but you also think eating fruit and high carb veges like potatoes is healthy…where as most ppl on carnivore would totally disagree… I dont care how you choose to eat but its def not carnivore when you have off days every weekend…

This mornings bg was 89 …
Food this morning 2 bacon, 1 flanken rib, 2 fried eggs…


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Yep, I have read about those things (still don’t care, I just follow my body and desires, it will be best for everyone :D)… But that has nothing to do with the sun… WHY to reduce our eating window to 8 hour or 4 hour or zero hour just because we don’t live close enough to the Equator?
I have it easy as it’s barely below 8.5 hour for me even on the shortest days (but as my natural eating window starts when the daylight ends, it’s still not right for me) but Iceland has towns with 4 hour and some places don’t have any sun for a long time.

Anyway, we have our individual things and circumstances. Eating several hours after sunset is a very good idea for many.

If one has a good body, they can listen to that, way better as it brings its individual things, way more accurate than anything else. It was apparent all my time than I am an afternoon eater. But if I can’t eat enough there, I won’t starve and/or suffer but eat my food whenever I can. Nothing else makes any sense, after all.

By the way, we don’t even all have 24 hours natural rhytms for sleep, well that’s a bit unfortunate as sleeping at the same time doesn’t work so well. But we can’t just shift our days during the year… IDK what is with me regarding that, my sleep is a chaos, but at least my natural eating window fits into the 24 hour cycle :slight_smile: It’s handy.

I totally don’t think that… In moderation for a healthy body that even thrives for carbs? Sure, it can handle it. My body can handle it occasionally and in tiny amounts.
But these are all very clearly not healthy to me. Not even low-carb vegs. It doesn’t matter if it’s low-carb or high-carb to me, it’s all about the consumed carbs (and their type), not the carb density. And NOT in moderation everything is unhealthy. I definitely avoid butter (above 2g) more than tomatoes! But it’s me, others should do the opposite.
I eat fruit because

  1. I can’t not eat it, not even when I don’t desire it.
  2. it’s TASTY! :smiley: And it’s not like it keeps me from being healthy enough until 130… In moderation. Amounts are EVERYTHING to me. Forcing myself to be “strong” (oh, that’s impossible, see point #1) would be SIGNIFICANTLY more unhealthy. And health is my top priority. Well if I was sure even little fruit can be any bad, I would train myself out of them. But things go into that direction anyway. It’s fine except my super fruity days but if my body doesn’t complain and I actually enjoy them all, that is no problem for me either.

It’s all about considering everything and getting the info about eating the unhealthy stuff in whatever amounts is better or worse for my health in the end. I do that (more or less) as it’s what a proper hedonist should do. I need to do if it’s WORTH IT or not. The item itself doesn’t hold all the necessary information to decide.

And I have no opinion about the bio clock as I know very little about it. Surely there is something but what it is…? I don’t need to care as my body guides me better than any science or experiment or opinions about it could.

I am not a carnivore, did you never read when I said so? :slight_smile: It was many times!
I don’t even want to be a carnivore, still :slight_smile: I want to eat “extremely low net carbs from plants most of the time” as that is ideal to me. And it’s super close to carnivore and I have carnivore times.
Of course seriously off weekends (not high-carb, I barely ever have it THAT bad considering my diet is always based on eggs and meat, off or not) suck, I don’t want them. I just can’t ever resist temptation, not even want to, it’s against my core personality. I AVOID it. This weekend almost surely will be carnivore-ish. I had totally carni weeks before, it’s not that hard if the time is right or the determination is strong.
LAST weekend was problematic because I had aversion to my main food item and wasn’t into my other main food item. It weakened my resolution while we had 5 overlapping fruit seasons and I lacked a carnivore momentum too. Bad combo. But I am over it.
I know what I want/need (surely some finetuning and changes will happen but I know it pretty much at this point) and I do something else but I am getting close!


(Megan) #100

Thanks a ton for posting that info @Azi. I half knew a little bit of it but I had no idea how intricate and interconnected it all is.