Carnivore ZC SurfTurf-tember! 30-day September Challenge. 2022


#61

I keep meeting fun English flower names :smiley: Never heard about donkey orchids yet.
We have naked ladies now :slight_smile: In the wildlife park and other places.

To me, it would make no sense to allow sweets, be it sugar or sweetener on carnivore
 It’s enough that sugars are allowed on the relaxed version with dairy containing lactose

Of course it’s just me, not even a carnivore, wondering about things.

There are multiple potential problems with sweeteners (I don’t think it matters that it’s natural or not). First of all, they are sweet. And not food. Fine, spices aren’t really proper food either and they are sugary too
 Still, not so sweet. Eating sweets is another thing entirely and it goes against what I think about carnivore, no wonder my own super relaxed carnivore-ish (strict from my viewpoint but more relaxed than the most relaxed carnivore style
 though it depends
 my tiny vegs bring less carbs than some condiments, WAY less carbs than dairy in moderation unless one chooses ones without carbs of course
) didn’t allow them either. I may allow them if I don’t see ANY better option for me but it becomes an off day at that point. I am fine with sweeteners but many people aren’t. And I don’t want to use them either for reasons. Or just very rarely. Our next rabbit dish will have some but that contains carrots too so it’s already an off dish. But very delicious and I don’t need to eat much of the sauce. Good enough for me 1-2 times a year (I do soooo much worse things so more often anyway, not like I consider it an excuse at all, I still need to strive to stick to my chosen default woe if comfortably possible!). But not good enough for others.
Sweets do things to our mind, quite often even if our body is less affected but surely something must be going on there too
?

Yes!!! :smiley: Even if I quit coffee now. I still have egg milks just with other flavorings. And the yes is for creamy or at least eggy coffees, black coffee isn’t dessert to me. Sour cream or quark is. But I must be content with my eggs for now :slight_smile: Or tea, I kept that.
It’s amazing how one’s expectation about desserts can change
 I like the direction I went. It was a big burden to carry the old “every meals end with dessert” habit. I lost so many habits immediately when I got determined but this one? It stayed with me for 10 years or maybe more. I had to work around it and change my desserts. I lost the requirement for sweetness easy enough (it still took quite a few years but it was smooth and easy) but on my no-dairy no-coffee carni there are still challenges left. Sometimes I get stuffed, grab some liquid and I am fine but it’s not always that simple.

I have my bad days but pork is still the tastiest possible thing IMO
 Nothing can beat that joy (maybe some exotic meat? because of the exoticness? and there must be some lovely item I never tasted). Sometimes some fruit is on par with it but that must be exceptional. And it would lose that quickly while pork day after day is still good (it loses some too, at least these common supermarket cheap cuts but they are still quite amazing. as long as I am not bored of them at the moment).
I lost the joy from almost all carby food though
 So my off days aren’t typically satisfying and it’s easier to stay on carni. My weekend was a result of pork aversion, not particularly liking eggs and 5 interlapping fruit seasons
 But they have no power on me anymore and I lined up various meats so I will be fine. As long as I don’t suffer from food boredom, carnivore feels the best. Even regarding food joy. Maybe I need some variety and spices for that but my normal style is quite enjoyable.
And I feel so odd again as I can just interpolate as I still never tried it for more than 2 weeks (but back then my variety was smaller and I couldn’t eat much meat either. I am sure it should be good if I can avoid boredom and with the right items, I surely can). But I still think I can have a shot at a longer time in September!


#62

yea key being a bit ‘tad more lactose’ in something like milk, which IS A carnivore product actually only, IF ONE can handle it is fine cause that person does well on it.

Fake sweeteners we never use cause we ditch sweet point blank. Key being if any ‘sweetness comes’ from a ZC product, like milk, or even scallops can taste sweet to some on our lifestyle, IF ONE does OK on that taste and it doesn’t interrupt any issues for them then eat it cause it is an animal product.

So it is all about animal products here. But we must must must watch processed for us like milk, or salami type/deli stuff, or packaged for us stuff so it is always important to know IF ONE does ok on it, thrives literally on it, then it suits them as a carnivore product, but that is personal to each of us.

but most of us ‘use alot of stuff’ when we start cause we are changing and convenience food like salami or packaged sausage to fry is easy, yet in the end, most of us dump it and use it as we ‘truly require’ as backup or ?? how it suits us.

good wondering about it all thoughts on it S!

We are ‘allowed’ some small leeway in this lifestyle IF IT suits the person truly and doesn’t derail them in any way but makes their zc journey only better and easier and works for us at all times. That is the key.

I know a few long term, like 7-8 yrs on this plan that start their day with bacon bacon and bacon and then might do sausage with it. Both processed. From the store, bought thru manufacturing and they thrive so
but some others can’t handle sausage or bacon anymore and had to dump it,

again, key is DO YOU on carnivore. There are tons of options but processed for us can be a tricky slope for each of us and we learn what works and doesn’t as we progress in our timeline.

I love a great chat on this kinda zc stuff :wink: :sunny:


#63

I doubt I ever will eat much processed meat
 Maybe occasionally.
I had my big processed meat phases on my carni trials but I quickly lost them - still keep some but very little and only if my proper meats just aren’t enough. Like now when I couldn’t stomach much of them, I needed all the small amount of processed meat in my freezer. I don’t have any more left except 70g pork skin from my pork belly. And it’s fine. 1-2 years ago I must have some dry sausage in my fridge all the time. I don’t need that anymore. We still buy some as it’s useful and Alvaro likes his scrambled eggs with sausage here and there and the stuff doesn’t spoil for weeks
 But I ignore it for several days in row now.

I think I have some idea what is the actual woe that suits me but of course it is changing and I like my stricter challenges :slight_smile: I just need to stop them before the Total Food Boredom (when I don’t want any food in existence even when very hungry) hits. It comes a tad too quickly to my liking.

We had our lunch, right after my workout. I am still weak as a kitten
 At least regarding my biceps and chest exercises :frowning: But at least I did it, it’s something from me.

I just shot all the food I made (except some hard-boiled eggs), it’s not all for today. Quite bad photo, sorry, it’s not for beaty, it’s for being informative. I will bring flowers for beauty later :smiley:

This is 2 very soft-boiled eggs for start, fried 70/30 pork (greedy lil fatty pieces barely gave me any lard this time, there will be a round 2 with the super fatty ones) and 500g fried chicken liver. I went super quick with the latter, only 10 minutes, we will see. And 2 sponge cakes.

I ate a little from the pork and nothing from the liver, I got super easy satiation! (My weekend was hungry “all day”
 my all day so starting at 11-12
 and now it changed for the better as it often does when weekend is up. what is this negative weekend magic?) I wasn’t very hungry but I wanted to eat. I had fresh pork I had no idea if I will be able to eat much from but it seemed tempting
 Alvaro came home late. and I cooked and had a workout. I like to eat in these circumstances. Waiting for proper hunger is often not a good idea for me and I had a hunch I needed multiple meals to eat enough anyway
 So I had a tiny lunch. I won’t track it separately but it surely was small. Not super tiny though, 3 eggs and a little bunch of very fatty pork!
Oh and I had a little rabbit as well. We ate it for 3 days in the end. My share was quite small every time but it was fine, I played with the bony parts. The meat was about 1570g (I weighed the bones in the end, not accurate obviously but good enough). I was curious about the ratio. It turned out the little ready to cook rabbit was more meat I expected. So fragile little bones, how could it hop with those half-toothpick fibulas
?

Rabbit is nice and a rare thing on our plates (not very rare but we only eat a few small rabbits a year), always welcomed but not one of my big favs for sure. Pork, ruminants and my fav fishes are better. Oh that mackerel was awesome
 I want some for Christmas too if possible. Forget salmon, it’s in the past, at least cooked, it’s way better raw but I can’t get fresh salmon for that.
I probably even prefer turkey over rabbit. But hard to tell, rabbit is special as we get it from the egg lady sometimes and it is a complete deal with most parts, liver and kidney. We will ask what is that with the missing heart
? Once we got a head and we buried it and maybe we can get it out and I will have a rabbit skull but it probably will break apart
 I collect skulls, not very passionately, I only have dog and wild boar ones, Alvaro has a crow one he ordered (fragile skulls are hard to get normally, once I tried with a young wild piglet but the skull was so fragile and probably due to the age, not very coherent that it broke apart. I am not good at cleaning a skull in a gentle way anyway).
My fav is human skulls and I don’t even own one apart from my own but that doesn’t count as I can’t see it. It would be illegal, of course. But I hold my great-grandfather’s skull at his reburial
 Temptation was present
 It was lovely, all black and tiny and cute. I bet my own skull isn’t nearly as cute. I have standards when it comes to human skulls. they are so very wonderfully different! :smiley: Yeah, the highlight of my life was when I visited the ossuary in Kutna Hora
 (Not but close, it was amazing! Next time I visit that place, it’s not so far away, after all, I will buy a lifesize human skull replica! I bought a small but cute one instead.)

And I haven’t drawn/painted a skull since ages
 I should do it now.


#64

Jeebus wept!

:astonished::flushed::grimacing::sweat_smile:


#65

Human skulls are COOL. They have character, they are different! Some of my favs are in MĂŒtter Museum, GĂ©za, a jovial old man without teeth and an unnamed sailor with the prettiest skull ever! My best skull paintings happened due to them
 And I can’t find those so get this instead, it’s not a bad one either!
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Carnivores can’t be afraid of bones, it’s small and nice so it should be okay :slight_smile:

We had dinner. I barely ate. Oh well maybe my body needs this after the weekend
 And I did finish most of my fatty pork

I am nicely satiated and in no mood to track.

And before I forget AGAIN
 A new bug species was found in Hungary!!! Short trunked
 well it’s zsuzsóka in Hungarian, fun name but I can’t tell you the pronounciation or how they are called in English.
Curculio gyongyiae, it’s the Latin name. Gyöngyi is the name of the wife of the one who has found it.
So I am a bit happy now. New bug species are surely a good reason for it! :wink:
It belongs to a group (family or whatever) zillion bugs who put their eggs into various plants like chestnut or hazelnut or poppy. This one has the shortest trunk, the chestnut one has it longer than its body, apparently :smiley:


#66

I save and preserve the feet from the rabbits that Bernie brings home (she normally eats everything except the feet, some of the innards, and occasionally a bit of an ear xD). Maybe she’ll start bringing me people soon ; )


(Linda ) #67

This mornings blood sugar 92 so def the timing and the amount I eat seems to be very important too late seems to push me into pre diabetic numbers first thing in the morning

But i have also noticed that this eating to my meter has changed when I eat .I now am eating
During day light hours to get my blood to stay within normal ranges if I eating after dark i.e too late in the day my body doesn’t seem have time to process all the sugar in my blood.

Todays food 2 fried eggs 3 bacon and a small flanken rib. With a egg coffee At 8am.


(Karen) #68

It was an ahhh moment when I got in to bed last night, I love my own bed. As I walked round the bed to get in I pushed my hand down on the mattress and thought yesss that’s what a mattress should feel and move like lol my fit bit says I was 1 hour 33 mins awake through the night but I still got 10 plus hours and I can handle that :wink: I needed it. Was up at 7.50am pottered and then went outside for my regular read and brew in a very warm sunshine. Had a tel appt at 10am with my stroke psychologist, she is so nice and good to talk to.

Picked up Raymond and went to Beeston (local shops) and had brunch at our fav little cafe. I had 1/4 pounder cheese burger (no bun) with 1 sausage and 1 rasher of bacon. Forgot photo.

Came home via the Company Shop where for 35quid I bought 9 rump steaks, 7 sirloins (it was one big lump which I sliced into 7 steaks) 4 packets of piri piri cooked chick slices for work pack ups, smoked salmon and some lard oh and 10 fairly large pork chops! That’ll do me.

For dinner I had some braising steak that I bought on way home in the services farm shop. I slowed cooked it since this morning and it was so tender with not a single bit of grissle. So nice and I drank all the juice 
 I only added a cup of water to the meat to keep it moist but the watery juice was very tasty.

I finished off the jar of duck patĂš and so.e cockles and mussels and I feel satiated.

I ate all the meat I cooked. That farm shop is run by the farmers and the meat comes from their own farms. You pay a little extra but it was definitely well worth it.


#69

I got hungry soon after dinner again so I ate but I tracked (it wasn’t an easy task this time. I don’t even have data about 70/30 pork in the program I use. but I made my own data for fried stuff and if I will fry it differently in the future, I don’t care, I use this :D) so I know I should have eaten enough now. Good thing that my body is so very predictable, I just need the macros to figure out if it will demand more food most of the time.
I needed my emergency sardines :slight_smile: 4 ingredients, not perfect but it has no added sugar at all and indeed, it wasn’t sweet the slightest (even the little tomato used wasn’t sweet, apparently. but I doubt the tomato enhanced the food, oh well, it’s the best version)

I just managed to avoid hunger again.
About 1800 kcal (or not, this was a day where fat might be way more or less
 but considering how I feel, it can’t be too off
) and a bit below my target 120g protein (I never had a target protein before but lately I better stick to this), it’s a quite fatty day for me, I needed my tasty spicy pork skin thing (the only thing I really enjoyed today) and I managed to eat enough fried 70/30 pork in the end and that’s pretty fatty :wink: It was okay but not particularly enjoyable this time. It wasn’t even crunchy
 I like when it’s crunchy here and there. Even with (little) liver and rabbit stew and eggs I stayed below 10g carbs. But it doesn’t really important, I am just too obsessed with my numbers. And I don’t have others just my eaten food numbers. And I can weigh myself and see that I am 75kg as always. Maybe a tad less.

The sardines were edible and protein rich enough
 Still not my fav but it wasn’t bad. “Not good, not tragic.” Alvaro says this many times since we watched the Chernobil movie, that’s good stuff.
(And I never was curious about how far I was from Chernobil when the disaster happened - safely far away but how close? But now I looked it up. I just eyeballed it on google map. About 600km.)

I would like bigger meals but 3MAD isn’t so bad. I don’t want 5 meal days ever, I never had that on any woe just carnivore
 When too easy satiation kicks in. Food boredom doesn’t help either. But that’s not the norm.

For some reason, I am perkier today. I totally need this for balance after gloomy days! We have sunshine and the right temperature! Not right now as it’s night now but during the whoooole day. And Alvaro saw a badger in the morning and a blue heron later! I only saw the usual swans and ducks.

It’s past 10pm now and finally I am perfectly satiated (I finished eating maybe 1.5 hours ago. things don’t go super quickly for me, it’s normal and fine. I wasn’t hungry or annoyingly unsatiated). I like to feel like this. Satiated, satisfied enough, definitely not full, peaceful.


#70

A wee bit fuKed up, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, :kissing_heart:


(Judy Thompson) #71

@Shinita I looked up Kutna Hora Ossuary. I had never heard of an ossuary! I love this pic:


I’m amazed at it, sculpted art made from human skeletal parts! Really fascinating.
@ElgynsToy When Dad and Grampa kept rabbits they would also prepare the feet for us as good luck tokens.
Grampa named his rabbits and labeled them in the freezer with their names. When I saw my favorite, Esmerelda, dressed out and tagged in their basement freezer it was pretty creepy. But I have to admit she was delicious.
This morning I had a sausage patty and 2 eggs in ghee, with coffee.
Later I sous vided a nice big pork tenderloin and seared it in duck fat, and it was tender and delicious. The last 10 minutes I threw in a bag of partially frozen shrimp and sauteed it after the pork. Not peeled so hubby wouldn’t eat the shrimp. After we ate and napped a bit I got up to clean and ended up finishing both the pork and the shrimp. Nice to feel so satiated.

Added Alfredo sauce to the pork.

I’ve taken a page from @Azi and cut out evening snacks. Lastnight I woke up a little hungry at 4 am but had a sip of water and went back to sleep.
My last lesson is in 20 minutes at 7, then we sit on the deck. Tonight I’m not putting any vodka in my Sodastream
 An advantage of vodka is that it’s invisible! Nobody can tell! And I waste it. Never drink more that 2 oz of the whole drink and throw the rest away.


#72

Steak dinner last night, a bit late, after 9pm. Walked Billie along the trail above the beach cliffs and then wrote a story.

Today Fasting blood glucose 9am = 6.1 mmol/L (110). Blood ketones 0.1mmol/L


(Megan) #73

Hi Linda,

This really interests me. Are our bodies really taking sooooo many hours (all night) to process what we eat and it’s still not done? For a blood sugar to be a bit higher in the morning because of an extra meal of pork skin crackling all those hours later? Especially a mostly fat extra meal? Or is the difference between 103 and 92 actually small? I don’t track my blood sugar so I have no idea.

I’m sorry but I can’t remember if you are T2 diabetic, and/or are trying to heal insulin resistance, and how long you’ve been eating carni. I am guessing blood sugars getting and staying in a low healthy range on carni would take quite a long time if the place one starts from is poor metabolic health?


(Megan) #74

How you dealt with this part of your carni journey makes a lot of sense to me Fangs. If we’re not trying to heal something major/urgent, and know this woe achieves the best results when done long term, a relaxed sustainable approach makes the most sense to me. Like what the heck is the rush? And how does rushing help us maintain any changes we make? Eat on plan, and eat to help one stay on plan, especially at the start - however long that “at the start” period is for each of us. And trust. I’ve read quite a lot of stuff various people on carni have written. I can’t recall any of them saying what they eat now is what they ate when they started.

Folks who have all these rules initially make a rod for their back, imo. Rules about how much (usually meaning little!) they think they should eat, how much exercise they think they should do, how long they think they should go between meals, what window they think they should confine their eating to etc.

Makes me think about one carni youtuber talking about dropping cheese and why she decided to do this. Folks could watch that video and think “I need to drop cheese!” The thing is, she dropped the cheese several years into being carni. It wasn’t something she imposed on herself early on, she did it when she wanted to and was ready to. When it was a natural next step. When her mind, body and emotions were all in agreement. To me that is a sustainable change.

I know I have said it before, but what I like most about this woe is I can just relax. I know what my foods are, and when I am hungry I eat. That’s it. As the months and years pass, what I eat, when I eat and how much I eat will change. And change again. And again. But I want it to be evolution kind of changes, not imposed ones.


#75

When Mom was a kid, she once choose 2 chicks, they were her favs
 Surely she named them but I don’t remember. Of course her Mom cooked them up eventually just the same
 Mom told me, like, 40 years after the event. She was full with family stories, I greeted my great-grandparents (who died 30-something years before I was born) in the cemetery like an old acquaintance and I totally feel we had horses despite that was way before my times too.
Apropos cemetery, that one is super cool and full with trees. I like good cemeteries so I am a (not very big) tapophile :slight_smile: I am more into mummies (Sicily has a lot of great ones! I always wanted to visit them) and skeletons. Cemeteries are sometimes fun but sometimes tiresome, that part is all about the people who decided on texts and decorations
 I saw some gaudy things in my life in cemeteries. My fav cemetery has almost as much or more trees and bushes than graves but it’s me
 I LOVE trees.

Nice pics
 I still like to see pork, I gladly taste it, even
 I just can’t consume much of it at this point.
And so big shrimps
 I only can buy super tiny ones (well I love super tiny ones) and they are insanely expensive too. I think shrimps would be the only seafood I would add besides fish and maybe octopus if I could afford it. And if I met pickled mussels and the like, I would try them but I am not into those, not tasty enough alone and they don’t even have a fun unique texture mostly tasteless fishes do. I never liked squids. And never ate super exotic items so IDK about those.


Hi guys, it’s early yet so I merely cooked some carbs for Alvaro and started to make his chocolate, I only need to add fat later. He goes over a jar (370g) very quickly. It’s fine, it’s quite healthy and useful for him and he can handle the calories. I can’t handle all the fat but I don’t need that stuff and only eat it occasionally and usually in tiny amounts. And my own, not his. When I was in the phase when I easily ate as little as I could on keto (2000 kcal so I stalled all the time but at least didn’t overeat), I had a 2900 kcal day and chocolate was the culprit.
It’s so adorable now, with a 4100 kcal carni day under my belt
 I don’t need added fat for that, just fatty meat and multiple meals. And probably wouldn’t be able to do it any day, tempting pork shoulders or not. But it’s a day to remember for sure :smiley: I keep forgetting my numbers. 350+g fat and 200g protein? I had higher protein days but the fat
 I probably only went higher on high-carb on my most overeating days but I never tracked then. I can’t just eat zillion cals like many others. I met people who barely ate normally but under the “right” circumstances, they ate a ton. I automatically stop at 4000 kcal but usually way before, of course. And I rarely stopped before 2000 before carni. That was my natural range.
Going low is problematic just looking at a few facts of mine. I need 120+ g protein on nearly every day and my energy need is smallish. But I can’t eat lean and 120g protein tends to bring a lot of fat as well. I still have chances but a misstep and I eat much. But it goes well lately. I still will lose fat super slowly or not at all but after 9 years of stalling or almost that, I did lose fat after I quit keto the first time but I regained it
 Super slow (while being satiated and satisfied) sounds wonderful. Even if I would like something more :smiley: But I want energy more as always.
But super low-cal days (mostly zero as I can’t do other small numbers) would be sooo useful. I skip a day, autophagy and other EF related good things (like I lose all the problems a meal can give me, even spare a little money but there are many. and it’s exotic and interesting - as far as I don’t get hungry. that’s my problem, I always get hungry or need fuel at a too early point nowadays. it was easier before carni and it was super easy and sometimes even automatic on high-carb
 it makes sense but still, I didn’t wanna lost my fasting abilities with the carbs :frowning: ) and I get the deficit of many good weeks
 I don’t even have good weeks

But no use to think about this, I do what I can and we will see :slight_smile: I want new, better habits. I came a long way but it’s not enough.

I made a plan for today. If I eat everything I have (well not all the liver but that would be borderline impossible anyway) including some pork chuck roast (a slice a day isn’t a problem at all), I will get enough protein and not too much fat.

But I start to run out of these extra things I can support my meagre pork consumption so it’s time to get out the big guns. Well not literally big but it will do :wink: I will cook my beef shank tomorrow! It’s exciting, I never had such a piece, with the bone in it
 I googled and decided on pressure cooker this time, I will finish it in the oven.

I send this before I write more.


#76

@FrankoBear, thoroughly loved your story and can you use it on a poster or any way to help fight save your natural wild beach?

@MeganNZ 
AMEN to your post AZI!! Preach it! Everything you said was so spot on truly for what ZC is all about! When one understands this concept of ‘just eat meat and drink water’ nothing else should matter
well, getting thru adaption for some can be a tough time, lol, but once past the very beginning, and we find zc is working for us, at that point it is Keep the Faith! in the plan and let it change you!

So so true we see others dropping cheese or cutting out salt and this stuff is on DEMAND when like you said, it might not need to be a focus but they read it somewhere
nope. I tried a few things when I read what others did and all it did was screw me up :slight_smile: cause like you said, I wasn’t there yet and I then just let the zc plan guide me and change me over time. Just slowly head toward our own person ZC Zen!

I so enjoyed reading your thoughts and so well put for that post!! What you wrote is what I try to get across to all carnivores, but so many don’t get it the way I write it HAHA Your post was stellar!

------------------------no shrimp yesterday. my steak was huge. today I defrosted a smaller ribeye and will pair with shrimp since it is a small guy and will need the shrimp side. Then I got 2 nice smaller chicken breasts for second meal.

wonderful posts on the board
smart zc people making smart choices and living the calm zc lifestyle daily!


#77

These are very important rules for some of us. I don’t decide these things, my body do. And it feels very, very bad to go against my body’s wishes.
I don’t care the time between meals (though I hate when it’s 1 hour unless I have only 2 meals) but the others are important. Exercise is for health and I want muscles so I must lift! :slight_smile:
I should eat as little as possible, it never changes (well on some carni days I eat as much as possible but the two are basically the same, I just save myself from night eating if I stuff myself every time)
 It’s my basic attitude and the only problem with it that I eat way too much this way - not on carni so I should stick to carni :slight_smile: Carni has so many benefits, it really solved a bunch of dietary problems of mine. But I still need to handle some.

I actually don’t care about my eating window now (thanks to carni. it’s different with more carbs) but it clearly should be little as it’s how I always worked. I always suffered with a big window. I didn’t even have a typically big window as a baby! Big windows make me overeat so much that I may gain fat and that’s very unhealthy. (I can overeat like crazy with a smaller one, thank you very much. The biggest safe window is probably 30-60 minutes, not like I ever could test it longer term. WAY more on carnivore, thankfully, I do like to eat in a bigger one.)
But the actual size matters little. My main goals regarding my eating window are

  1. no nighttime eating. it has various problems. sometimes I can pull it off and all is well but usually not.
  2. no nighttime hunger.
    The two goes against each other somewhat but if I eat well during the day, it’s fine. It’s basically impossible to eat well during the day all the time
 Sigh.

Yeah, some people like you and "Fangs has it easy.
I don’t get hungry often and I still need to eat. Okay, I have other urges, it’s fine though it’s not trivial to decide if I should eat at some point. I try to figure it out, it’s not that sensitive to the exact time anyway.
Deciding about when to stop eating or what to eat when I can’t force almost anything down but I am very hungry
 That’s tricky. But with practice, it gets easier.

I am all for evolution too, never imposed things on myself (like sticking to carnivore. it would be nice for a while but if I desire something else, I eat something else, I don’t even have a choice, actually, it’s part of my core personality). Even my challenges where I use too strict or weird rules can happen if I don’t mind them.
I just TRAIN myself, it’s needed and fun. I have this in place of people resisting temptation. I never would do that.

Probably most of us just can’t afford the luxury of waiting for it. Most people would eat wrong forever. Some need to push hard. I am so happy I can train myself out of wrong things pretty easily (it’s a looooong process but easy. my way :D), at least when I read about people desiring food that is bad for them. I don’t have that or I just eat it without any special circumstances then. But I very quickly lose interest in such things and can handle the occasional indulgence. But as I do more and more carni in the future, not much will stay I believe.
And keto didn’t do this. Only carni. And low-carb but that was instant. I decided leaving high-carb and immediately lost interest in very nearly all carby things, that was great but only lasted for about 5 years

Actually, carni is instant too - as long as I stick to it. If I go off, I gain back some interest but it wanes rapidly (for me. almost nothing is super quick with me but years on/off keto did nothing). It’s almost magical


EDIT:
That 30-60 minutes safe eating window
 It covers my worst times in my past. It doesn’t mean I eat too much in 3 hours with carbs or something, I usually don’t. But the chance is there. I meant even I can’t overeat if my eating window is 30-60mins (without effort. of course I can do it if I put my mind on it and can use anything. but even so, it’s very hard as I have a natural stop sign if I had enough calories for my meal. carbs and fats can break that but it’s still hard).
But it’s probably too much unnecessary information already.

Mmmm, I want experiments
 In the future as I have tiny meals now.


#78

Don’t let Karen see this :laughing:

I’m the guilty one.


#79

too funny!!!
cool
K will know her little cheese plate is just ‘a speck’ in the universe :wink:


#80

Yes, I shared it in socials.