Can you do keto without coffee? Why not?

(Dirty Lazy Keto'er, Sucralose freak ;)) #28

I only have one cup each morning too, only my cup is 22oz, double strength :wink: I use about the same amount of grounds for a normal pot.

#29

This Charlton Heston? voiced allusion has been haunting my daytime lucid dreaming.

#30

The bumper sticker on a truck in the 1980’s “Red Dawn.”

Wolverines!

(Ellenor Bjornsdottir) #31

I’m in this whack situation where I cannot do without coffee or tea but it seems like hypercarnivore has made it impossible for me to have a lot of the stuff. What a day.

#32

If you’re eating “carnivore” to try for some tweaking on a keto diet, then drinking roasted coffee plant seeds is probably OK.

But if you are going carnivore as an elimination diet, to eliminate anti-nutrients from plant foods, or immune reactant plant bits, then a sad, slow but gentle ‘goodbye’ to coffee may be needed (via the de-caf door to ease the withdrawals).

#33

The ketogenic diet can be high in a plant anti-nutrient known as oxalate.

Cooking, ‘activating’ (as the hippies call it), fermenting, pre-digesting food technology has long helped humans cope with the potential toxins in plant foods such as lectins.

Unfortunately oxalates are resilient and resist a lot of that detoxification preparation.

This thread needs some clarification on coffee in regard to oxalates.

Still, there are two solid scientific reasons to believe that coffee is very low in oxalate. The first is that all reputable testing to date has demonstrated that coffee is low in oxalate . The second is the real-world experience of low-oxalate dieters who have maintained a daily coffee habit with health benefits and without signs of oxalate-related symptoms. Other beverages, including hot chocolate, black tea, and green tea, have consistently been found to be high in oxalate and tend to trigger oxalate-related effects (the effects are variable—e.g. night-time irritable bladder)… I have a suspicion that the rumor about coffee being high oxalate originated in confusing reports on the oxalate content of instant coffee powder, which led to misinterpretation of the results. Instant coffee is indeed very high if you eat a whole cup of the undiluted powder.

https://www.ketogenicforums.com/t/oxalates-little-razor-blades-in-your-bod/80882

Done with carnivore
#34

I suspect I would do better without coffee. I can tell my stress levels are better without. It’s just really hard to stay off coffee.

(Ellenor Bjornsdottir) #35

I call it “carnivoroid” or “hypercarnivore” for a reason. I don’t feel the need to eliminate.

(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #36

Me every morning: oh crap, I’m awake. OH! I can have coffee!

Yes, I could live without it, but why would I??

#37

Some days, I do go to bed excited because I can have coffee in the morning…

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(Allie) #38

This morning I was training fasted (leg day too) and I’ll admit the thing I was most looking forward to afterwards was a big mug of keto coffee.

(Ellenor Bjornsdottir) #39

I think the final view on this is “you can, but I can’t because I can’t do anything without coffee”

(Full Metal KETO AF) #41

I lost and held a 4 lb loss. Damn coffee! :cowboy_hat_face::coffee:

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(Full Metal KETO AF) #44

Bulletproof Fasting again this weekend to see if I can’t lose any more fat! Report coming Monday. :cowboy_hat_face:

(John) #45

As long as coffee exists, thankfully this is a question I won’t have to answer.

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #46

Fret not over small things. Until the Holocene comes to a screeching halt we will have coffee. Savour the brew, savour the warmth. All things pass and so will they. The Holocene has been but a momentary blip in the frozen night of the Pleistocene. Not the longest nor the warmest blip, but our blip. We approach nightfall again and hopefully it will come on cats paws, slowly and gently. Or at least after I’m gone. :coffee:

#47

You can do keto without coffee, but I can’t see why I’d want to. I don’t want to do anything without coffee. I love the stuff. Yum yum yum.

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #48

I think some folks who either don’t like coffee (I find that very difficult to understand) or have an adverse reaction to coffee itself and/or caffeine just want to try to spoil it for the rest of us who like/love it. To one and all of them I say: you are as likely to dissuade coffee lovers their coffee as dissuade bacon lovers their bacon. Give up! :coffee: :bacon: :crazy_face:

(Allie) #49

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