Can drinking vodka soda PREVENT you from getting into Ketosis?

(What The Fast?!) #8

Yes, except that you get drunk way faster and the hangovers are way worse!
I’ve found with keto, that I’ll have 1-2 drinks and not really WANT anything more to drink. It’s like I can’t force it down (which I’m fine with) - I think it’s partly from keto and partly because my brain is like “WASTED CARBS, WASTED CALORIES, KETOSIS!!!” and then I can’t enjoy myself.

(Marie Dantoni) #9

Just enjoy or leave it alone.

(What The Fast?!) #10

Ha, yeah…working on that.

(Dawn Comber) #11

Funny, I start drinking and lose all interest in food.

I wish I was like you @KetoLikeaLady. I am the opposite.

(Scott Telfer) #12

I find good quality vodka/tequila and Soda (as in carbonated water not soft drink) and a thin piece of fresh lime has minimal effect on MY ketosis- especially once adapted. If you enjoy spirit alcohol go for it, imo it’s better than denying yourself something or feeling deprived on keto. Be aware it will distort keto breath analysers for up to 24 hours post consumption. Everyone one is different though, experiment with yourself and record the results :slight_smile: good luck

#13

There are NO carbs in DISTILLED alcohol (sorry, not screaming at you), vodka is distilled.
Soda, Tonic, other mixer - depends on what is in it, how much you ingest and how your transitioning bod handles it.
Beer, Wine, and other fermented alchohol products - does have carbs.
The Dudes have a podcast titled ‘alcohol’
The question will it “prevent getting into” ketosis may depend on all of the other variables. If you’re not really “into ketosis” then you can’t be “kicked out”.
Old VLC “diets” like Atkins suggested no alcohol (and no caffiene) during the introductory (“transition”) period.
I abstained until 2 months in, used BG and ketone monitor to determine my “state” and experimented when a special occassion came up, presenting the opportunity to have some very fine scotch, straight up so no worries about mixers.

(Miss E) #14

I remember on one of the podcasts that they said it won’t kick you out of ketosis but it will slow it down or pause it. When you drink, the liver prioritizes metabolizing and eliminating the alcohol. Whilst doing that it can’t focus on creating ketones.

(Ethan) #15

And that makes me wonder if it also can focus on making glucose. If your ketones drop and your liver won’t make ketones or glucose, could that be an issue?

(Miss E) #16

I don’t think the drop would be long enough to have much effect. Kind of like how carbing before a workout doesn’t have a long term effect because you burn it off. Mind you I’m not sure, good question for the dudes.

(Ethan) #17

People can get really drunk such that it takes hours to clear the alcohol…

(Miss E) #18

True. I’d be curious to know whether a “pause” in ketones would have the same effect as going out of ketosis. I suppose I shouldn’t assume that those in ketosis don’t get smashed :stuck_out_tongue:

(mags) #19

My issue with alcohol is that it lowers my resistance. Suddenly all thoughts of keto eating goes out the window and carbage suddenly starts disappearing down my neck. :expressionless:

(matt ) #20

Soda water = seltzer = club soda. No sugar no calories.

(matt ) #21

Drinking will often lower bg as the liver focuses on the alcohol and not on releasing glucose.

(Roy D) #22

Found the following at;

When we ingest alcohol (in the form of ethanol), our body begins to work to metabolize it or destroy/break it down to get energy. Since alcohol is toxic to our bodies, we begin to metabolize it as soon as possible.

Many people find that drinking alcohol in excess stalls their weight loss. That may be because the liver will begin to process the alcohol as soon as possible. Our fat burning processes are disrupted to rid ourselves of that alcohol quickly. The speed at which alcohol is metabolized differs from person to person.

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Clear liquors at about 40% alcohol are a safe bet and are considered keto alcohol, and anything that tastes sweet is not! Acceptable keto alcohol includes:

  • Vodka
  • Tequila
  • Gin
  • Whiskey
  • Rum
  • Scotch
  • Brandy
  • Cognac

Red Wines (5 oz. serving)

  • Cabernet Sauvignon: 120 calories, 3.8 carbs
  • Pinot Noir: 121 calories, 3.4 carbs
  • Merlot: 120 calories, 3.7 carbs

White Wines (5 oz. serving)

  • Pinot Grigio: 122 calories, 3.2 carbs
  • Sauvignon Blanc: 122 calories, 2.7 carbs
  • Chardonnay: 118 calories, 3.7 carbs
  • Riesling: 118 calories, 5.5 carbs
  • Champagne: 96 calories, 1.5 carbs

Light Beers (12 oz. serving)

  • Bud Select 55: 55 calories, 1.9 carbs
  • MGD 64: 64 calories, 2.4 carbs
  • Rolling Rock Green Light: 92 calories, 2.4 carbs
  • Michelob Ultra: 95 calories, 2.6 carbs
  • Bud Select: 99 calories, 3.1 carbs
  • Miller Lite: 96 calories, 3.2 carbs
  • Natural Light: 95 calories, 3.2 carbs
  • Michelob Ultra Amber: 114 calories, 3.7 carbs
  • Coors Light: 102 calories, 5 carbs
  • Amstel Light: 95 calories, 5 carbs
  • Bud Light: 110 calories, 6.6 carbs

Sugar is hidden everywhere! Even something seemingly innocent like a gin and tonic can have over 30g of carbs- tonic water is very high in sugar. If the bartender adds artificial lime juice and simple syrup, you’re probably well over 50g of sugar in one glass. Avoid the following popular drinks and mix-ins, and you’ll be a low carb pro in no time.

Sweet Wines

  • Moscato
  • Port/Sherry
  • Dessert Wines
  • Sangria
  • Zinfandel

Sugary Mixers

  • Triplesec

  • Whiskey sour mix

  • Blue curaçao

  • Sugary syrups

  • Grenadine

  • Frozen margarita mixes

  • Flavored alcohol (coconut rum, peach schnapps, Bailey’s, etc.)

  • Juices (cranberry, orange, pineapple, tomato, etc.)

  • Fruit add-ins (cherries, berries, pineapples, oranges, etc.)

  • Syrups (fudge, whipped cream, fruit flavored syrups,
    sweet creams, coconut cream)

(Ethan) #23

And yet this ultimate guide doesn’t answer the question about whether glugoneogenesis is inhibited

(matt ) #24

Note that ethanol consumption leads to an accumulation of NADH. This high concentration of NADH inhibits gluconeogenesis by preventing the oxidation of lactate to pyruvate. In fact, the high concentration of NADH will cause the reverse reaction to predominate, and lactate will accumulate. The consequences may be hypoglycemia and lactic acidosis.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22524/

(Roy D Rushing Jr ) #25

From what I can tell, as long as you stick to distilled spirits with no carbs coming from anything you might mix it with you’re only pausing your progress for the few hours it takes your body to get rid of the alcohol. Intuitively that tells me that if you want to keep moving forward at a decent clip, you’ll want to limit your alcohol intake to a couple of isolated events per week at most. Drinking every day would keep your liver on alcohol removal duty for an inordinate amount of time. I mean it’s conceivable that you’d lose half the week to it if you started drinking soon after work and then factored in the time that your body is spending removing alcohol while you sleep. That’s completely aside from the danger of lowered inhibitions and other health risks associated with alcohol abuse.

Personally, I quite enjoy knocking a few back on the weekends, and I’m just glad there’s some room for that in the keto diet. I plan to limit it to distilled spirits on weekends and in an environment where I can control the foods that are around me in case I suffer a loss of self control.

(Leslie) #26

I’m so happy to read the information in this thread because one of the gurus I follow was saying that any amount of alcohol stops fat burning for 48 hours.
I like my drink. I have a lot less now than in my carb days because, yeah, I feel the buzz, but I still want to be able to enjoy my wine or vodka or bourbon, and I have been, and I’m still losing weight. I’m losing pounds and sizes and my husband cannot keep his hands to himself! Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, lol

I have considered doing a keto strip test study of my own. Testing right before my first glass and then after I’m finished just to see what the strip says, but I’ve been fat adapted for a long time and am not certain that ketones in my urine are necessarily a reliable bio marker anymore.

Either way, I’m very happy. I’m down to nearly my youthful weight, I’m 5’2” and 115lbs, whereas in high school I was 98lbs, I still have my drink and I even had nachos at the baseball game on Monday night.

Keto for life! Keto for love(just ask my husband)!

#27

WOW, THANKS!:sunglasses: