Caffeine and insulin resistance


#11

Since going keto almost a year ago I have developed a severe sensitivity to caffeine. I never had an issue before so it took me a long time to realize what the problem was, I thought it was hypoglycemia, anxiety, electrolytes, etc. Once I figured out I was sensitive to caffeine my life improved a lot. I think I’m one of those slow caffeine metabolizers who is very sensitive. I think the carbage I used to eat dulled the effects of caffeine but once I went low carb it all changed. It gives me the jitters and heart palpitations so badly that I thought I was having a panic attack.

I love coffee so I’m thankful there are some quality decafs out there now. I’m sure one day we’ll discover something used in making decaf that is unhealthy if we haven’t already but I gotta draw the line somewhere.


#12

What are the quality decafs? I’d like to try them.


(What The Fast?!) #13

I used to be able to drink coffee late at night and be totally fine. Lately I haven’t been able to have espresso at dinner…I hadn’t put it together til now!


#14

I’m from Seattle so I’ve learned to love Starbucks and their “burnt tasting” coffee. That’s what a lot of people say anyway. But if you like Starbucks I’d suggest either Pike Place decaf or their house blend decaf. Their decaf espresso is also incredible.

I can’t say first hand but my mom swears by the Donut House decaf k-cups she gets but that’s going to be more of a medium roast I believe.


#15

Exactly. If it’s not strong enough to put hair on my chest, I don’t bother. :smiley: I got into making cold brew for a while; it actually tastes like coffee smells.


#16

I’ve been caffeine free since Oct 15. I found a good substitute for my morning cup of tea: 1 tbsp organic tamari mixed in a mug of hot water. It replaces my caffeine drinks and supplies sodium. Believe it or not it tastes really good.


Tamari is amazing!
(Brian) #17

It is interesting how coffee affects different people.

I’ve never notice additional hunger with coffee. For me, it’s closer to the opposite as if I drink a big mug of it, I get a more “filled up” kind of feeling and don’t really want to eat as much.

My wife insists that when I have too much coffee (of the caffeinated kind), I talk a lot more. And I’ve noticed the difference a few times. But I don’t tend to drink as much as I used to.

We tend to drink a blend of half regular coffee and half decaf, one 11oz cup in the morning most every day. Maybe a couple of times a month, we’ll have a decaf in the evening. So far, it’s not been something we’ve noticed keeps us awake, either. Then again, we’re probably pretty used to having it at about that level.


#18

Glad to hear you’ve found a solution. I just saw your original post and was going to suggest that since caffeine is a diuretic you might be experiencing a bit of mild hyponatremia. I read Dr. D’s “The Salt Fix” and it really opened my eyes about salt intake, especially for Keto coffee-drinkers. My own salt issue is compounded by the fact that I am still on hypertension meds and a diuretic, and I really have to have salt with nearly everything I eat, including coffee.
I definitely noticed a difference in my caffeine sensitivity on Keto, I no longer drink coffee after 7:30 pm since I was really having an issue getting to sleep after I started LCHF.


#19

I got the tamari idea after listening to Steve Phinney’s downunder lecture. He suggested bouillon cubes to increase salt intake. When I couldn’t find any bouillon that didn’t have crap in it, I remembered tamari. I prefer it over soy sauce because it’s made from fermented soy beans, it’s gluten free and has no sugar. I’ve been drinking my tamari beverage a few days now. I’ve already noticed an increase in energy and more regularity. I started reading The Salt Fix yesterday. Very eye opening.


(Edith) #20

These bouillon cubes are great: no added chemicals including MSG and they are organic.

Edith


#21

Coffee makes me feel hungry, but when I add butter, MCT, cream, and salt, it fills me up


(CarolAnne) #22

I’ve been strict keto / IF since Feb 2017, lost 50+ pounds (7 to go to goal) and my wonderful coffee is no longer my good friend. I’ve been noticing the same effects - getting hungry and shaky and cold (SOOOO COLD!) instead of getting that pleasant buzz and warmness. So I’ve been wondering the same thing about an insulin (or other hormone) connection.

With no proof whatsoever, what I’ve been thinking is that maybe I’ve recovered some additional function in my adrenals that I didn’t even realize I was missing before. And that I’m now getting the response that a person SHOULD be getting from 4 cups of java a day. That’s the research I’ll be digging into.

I once gave up coffee for an entire year, and noticed zero results. But, I was also eating carbage then. I think I’ll have to do another elimination or Decaf test.


#23

That’s a really interesting question. I’ve been noticing an uptick in my caffeine response as well – jangly nerves, what feels like a rapid heartbeat – after 2 or 3 cups of drip-filter, an amount which has been quite usual for me for years.

I’ll be watching this space!


(What The Fast?!) #24

I’m going to try this!!


#25

I know that some persons (perhaps those who are more [hyper]active) get sleepy from caffeine. So, not everyone is the same even in that regard.


#26

This sounds like a good n=1 for me, all of these questions surrounding the caffeine and possible insulin response are intriguing. Nice thread.

I have wondered how it may affect me for quite some time since I suspect that cortisol is elevated in my system from long-term stress.
STRESS,
STRESS,
STRESS!


(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #27

Caffeine is extremely good for you, and you should drink a lot of coffee. Or tea. Or both.

(Hands over ears, going “Nyah, nyah, nyah, I can’t hear you!”)


(What The Fast?!) #28

@MelTar Just tried this and I like it. Tastes like broth! I don’t know if it will do for replacing coffee but I’ll try it tomorrow.


#29

There is much evidence that caffeine can be very good for us - and that it enhances metabolism - however, as with everything, there are exceptions! There may certainly be a need for metabolically deranged folks to abstain from caffeine - though I haven’t seen the convincing studies on that. Generally caffeine enhances and supports metabolism - but maybe the real question is what is added to the coffee to de-acidify the impact, maybe that’s the missing link.

My self-experimentation has been rather convincing. I learning a long time ago that black coffee on an empty stomach - whether because of doing fasting or when used to quell hunger when a meal is delayed - is awfully hard on the system. And that taking a post-meal plain espresso with a creamy dessert can be heaven.

A lot of european and South American coffee is taken with lots of cream/fat or as a digestive after a creamy meal - not usually taken black on an empty stomach. There is also a French/Italian technique of taking the black coffee along with hot crusty bread or croissants or plain biscotti to soak up the acid - I’ve tried it in my past of and it works… for about 2 hours before you’re starving for lunch in that carbo crash way.

Also, the way one makes coffee matters a lot. I make traditional stovetop espresso in a stainless steel Vigano I’ve had since the 90s, here’s a pic I found on google images for the same kind:

Espresso is much lower in caffeine than french press or drip. I also add a little powdered cinnamon or cardamom to the basket with the coffee before brewing to sweeten it a little, and only fill the basket 2/3 full to weaken the consistency a bit. I drink the equivalent of about 3 espresso shots in the morning with plenty of fat.

I have found that adding 2-3 tablespoons of good fat to my morning coffee when fasting keeps me going another 6-8 hours before I need to eat. I use a 1 tblsp virgin coconut oil and 1 tblsp homemade ghee - with a spoon in my mug to stir it every few sips to help mix the oil in (I can’t stand to use a blender to make latte style emulsified coffee). I also add a few tablespoons of half n half because it’s delicious and gives me the 1 or 2 carbs needed to keep my female biology from thinking we’re starving and lurching into fat storage.

Inches keep dropping, brain keeps feeling amazing, so it’s working for me - plus smells great in the morning!

But everything’s not for every body, etc.


(What The Fast?!) #30

I’m wondering if it stokes hunger so I’m going to try the tamari today, but I DO love coffee!!