Bone broth anti ketogenic?

(Jeff Ryan) #1

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Hey guys I just want to know if this bone broth is any good for keto? It doesn’t say it has magnesium, potassium and calcium in it. The reason why I purchased the bone broth in the first place was because of those three ingredients I thought it had.

Also I was reading an article about bone broth and it said that bone broth can be anti ketogenic. Is that true? When I read the ingredients on my bone broth it states it has glucosamine.

Here is the article anyway.

(Richard Morris) #2

She was drinking a litre of that a day.

That’s a LOT of protein that could break down into aspartate that could decouple the creation of new glucose from the creation of new ketones.

(Jeff Ryan) #3

Thanks for pointing that out @richard. I didn’t know what quartz was until now even then I wouldn’t know that you actually had to also limit the bone broth.

So how much is everyone having by the way?

I add one teaspoon of the bone broth “BEST OF THE BONE BROTH” in a cup of warm water. Does that equal to .25 of a litre?

(ketohealthclub) #4

I drink a cup of it straight. It’s food, not medicine, so I’m not sure what benefit a tablespoon or teaspoon would have.

#5

This blog post is great and technically correct, however we don’t even have to go this far to explain why excess protein can be “chocolate cake”. If we take what is going on in the body in context, its easy to explain. If you flood the body with excess protein the excess will be used for energy. there simply is no other choice for it. Its not stored for later use. There is false information on some keto sites that its 'stored" in the intestine. All protein is either glucogenic (convertible to glucose) or ketogenic (convertible to ketones). Some are both. When there is excess protein beyond what is need for repair, growth and biochemical substrate replenishment it is converted to either glucose or ketones. simple. This is basic physiology that has been known for at least 50 years and is first year university biochem stuff.

(Jeff Ryan) #6

Yeah not sure how that works. It might be condensed in that teaspoon.

(ketohealthclub) #7

That’s true- is it powdered?

#8

I make bone broth using 100% grass fed bison or beef bone marrow bones which I prepare by roasting in the oven with salt/pepper. My first batch, ~24-36 hrs. in the crock pot, is quite gelatinous. After I save all that gelatin in jars, I cover the bones a second time with water and cook for another 24-36 hrs. At this point I can smash the bones into a fine mush which I eat with butter! I never thought I could eat bones, but eventually they break down! This post might be more of a recipe post. No sure.

(Larry Lustig) #9

That blog post contains what to me is a remarkable statement:

Cancer cells can use glutamine for fuel just as easily as they can use glucose from carbohydrates.

Is that true? It does this refer to GNG in the liver providing fuel as glucose?

(Jeff Ryan) #10

No it comes in jelly like form.

(8 year Ketogenic Veteran) #11

You you you CARNIVORE! :laughing:

(Cathy) #12

I have heard this assertion before and presented in the same way as the linked article. I would firstly remind myself, that this is a n=1 for the author. The other thing that I need to remember is that the author does not say what replaces the broth or if nothing is the replacement. If it is nothing, I would need to know how long the author is fasting. I think it is pretty clear that fasting will increase most people’s ketones. As for blood sugar differences, I would suggest that everyone will have pretty different results due to the vast amount of reasons that blood glucose varies, including eating, not eating, stress, injury, and on and on. AND of course, the amount of broth in what time frame? Was it a quart all at once or within a couple of hours or what? Just need more info to find this particularly article conclusive in any way.

#13

Dr. Seyfreid talks about glutamine and cancer in his book (pdf).

“In addition to its role in replenishing TCA cycle intermediates
(anaplerosis), glutamine can also provide
energy through stimulation of glycolysis in the cytoplasm
and through substrate level phosphorylation in
the TCA cycle (glutaminolysis)”

http://download.springer.com/static/pdf/494/art%3A10.1186%2F1743-7075-7-7.pdf?originUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fnutritionandmetabolism.biomedcentral.com%2Farticle%2F10.1186%2F1743-7075-7-7&token2=exp=1468864287~acl=%2Fstatic%2Fpdf%2F494%2Fart%253A10.1186%252F1743-7075-7-7.pdf*~hmac=6caed7e78318468d9440453e71d234920b07bc24624a0df72ecfe85c1e92ee08

#14

Wow! Great info. Glad I’m not touching bone broth during my coffee-tea-water only 7-day fast this week. Apart from weight loss, I also want to target other fasting benefits, like cancer potential reduction.

(Erin Macfarland ) #15

I can’t imagine a cup or so per day would be harmful along with a meal. This seems like splitting hairs

(Steve Stephenson) #16

0.25 = 25/100 = 1/4
1 liter = 1.05669 US quarts
0.25 liter ~= 1 cup ~= 48 teaspoons

(Gary Fettke) #17

Cancer cells will utilise glucose primarily but the glutamine pathway can be significant. The protein intake under the influence of IGF-1 can be detrimental. Colin Champ advocates low carb, lower protein and somewhat hypocaloric.

(Steve Stephenson) #18

MythBuster: There is a general myth that bone broth will provide minerals; e.g., “… we encourage consuming … homemade bone broth, which is full of nutrients.” The Complete Guide To Fasting (TCGTF), pg.58. But science based studies report bone broth is NOT full of (mineral) nutrients, esp. Calcium, e.g.:


and

Bone broth IS full of gelatin (as evidenced by its gelatinous nature) which “is 98–99% protein” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelatin#Protein_content). Too much protein will kick you out of ketosis.

THIS is how to extract and ingest the minerals from the bones!

Tips:

  1. Use grass-fed beef marrow bones (I get mine from http://waldenlocalmeat.com/ and http://grasslandbeef.com/).
  2. After about 8-12 hrs you can gently remove the bones and knock them on their ends on the counter, freeing the bone marrow. If I don’t do this the broth eventually smells bad. The marrow is very fatty and delicious in many ways. Return the bones to the pot and continue simmering.
  3. When done cooking the first batch (I end at 3 days), remove and reserve the bones (for 2nd cooking), cool until you can strain through a fine cloth into a large container (throw away the strained out matter), cool in refrigerator until a layer of solid tallow is formed on top (remove and reserve tallow for use as a FAT), then jar the BB.
  4. Do 2nd cooking and smashing (I’ve never done this but am making a batch now and will try it; stress reliever, I’m betting).
(Gary Fettke) #19

Tom Seyfried has a chapter on glutamine in Cancer as a Metabolic Disease. A good read for the chemistry behind it.
https://www.amazon.com/Cancer-Metabolic-Disease-Management-Prevention/dp/0470584920

(Steve Stephenson) #20

I’m reading Dr Ede’s synopsis of Dr Seyfried’s book right now. I hope it’s close to the original.