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(Robert C) #21

George Burns drank alcohol and smoked and lived to be over 100 years of age

So, with this counter example, I have proved that we are all equally likely to die of cancer, regardless of whether we drink or smoke

That is the logic being used - but we know that drinking alcohol and smoking definitely make cancer a lot more likely:

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/diet-physical-activity/alcohol-use-and-cancer.html
https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/lung/basic_info/risk_factors.htm

Also found this on cancer and artificial sweeteners:

Just keep in mind, the first few years of alcohol feel great - the first few months of cocaine feel great - the first few weeks of meth feel great…

#22

THAT’S what matters! Many people are afraid of artificial sweeteners or almost anything that provokes any type of insulin response. I was like that at one point myself. Couple years of keto I gave up on being afraid of a lot of stuff and doing much better now.

(Dirty Lazy Keto'er, Sucralose freak ;)) #23

But those are all addictions which have nothing to do with diet, at least directly.

(Dirty Lazy Keto'er, Sucralose freak ;)) #24

Alcoholism is a whole different thing, and cigarettes one of the very few things actually proven to greatly increase ones odds of getting cancer. That kind of proof simply does not exist for use of artificial sweeteners.

(Robert C) #25

Let me fix that:
That kind of proof simply does not YET exist for use of currently available artificial sweeteners.

Proof may never exist but it may exist within a very few years for any given artificial sweetener encouraging negative health outcomes (people are not doing all of the studies out of boredom - they definitely suspect issues based on animal models).

Where there is smoke - most people think their might be fire (I think you think BBQ :grinning:).

@FishChris - I really do not want to appear to be a troll. I just want people moving to Keto to take on both the macro breakdown and hormonal response details but, to also recognize the safety (lowered risk) and benefits of sticking with real whole foods.

#26

Have you tried Virgils Root Beer? Is sweetened with erythritol, monk fruit and stevia. Great root beer flavor, but is very sweet. I have to water it down. Found it at Walmart. And even there is not cheap.
Also comes in other flavors, such as cola and cream soda.

(Jeremy Wheatley) #27

Personally I really like Coke Zero and it doesn’t have any effect on my glucoses readings and doesn’t throw me out of ketosis so that means I can have one with my lunch once in awhile with no worries…

(Diane) #28

There is a reason I mostly don’t tell people here what I do and do not eat. I don’t want other people weighing in on what are, for me, personal choices. I find others absolutism sometimes off-putting. I might end up in the same camp, maybe… eventually… I’m certainly not there yet with regards to what sometimes comes across as zealotry (as heart-felt and well intentioned as it always seems to be) to me.

(mole person) #29

I actually never recommend to people who are happy with their rate of weight loss that they should abandon their sweetners. I only suggest it as something to try when people who are using them complain of a stall or are having troubles with cravings and/or straying.

The strong response to @FishChris isn’t about his personal use, it’s about his sucralose evangelism and promotion when all the available scientific evidence points in the opposite direction.

We know that non nutritive sweetners stall a fair number of people; so whenever I see a thread where someone is making a completely erroneous claim like “sucralose doesn’t raise insulin”, or “there is no evidence that sweetners affect weight loss” I feel that these errors need to be corrected for the sake of people who may naively believe the claims.

I do exactly the same thing when I see forum members saying without qualifications that high protein is fine on a ketogenic diet. It’s not fine for lots of people which is why almost every keto doctor will recommend considering your protein amounts if you hit a stall. They do the same thing with artificial sweeteners.

The pushback in this case is to someone claiming that the evidence is vague, which it isn’t, and that it’s only a “psychological” effect when people find that sucralose is stalling them (which is what @FishChris has claimed over multiple threads).

(Rebecca ) #30

Ditto! I work in an independent health food store and we sell A LOT of Virgils soda! I like to have the cola as a very occasional treat. It has a very good flavor and no aftertaste…at least that I notice.

(Marianne) #31

Wow; thank you! I drink only water, salt water and one cup of coffee per day. Sure would love a soda from time to time. We can have this?

(Robert C) #32

In terms of Keto - these are unlikely to move you out of ketosis - but, as with all artificial sweeteners - carry risk…