As a means to save my hubby's life

(For the love of my hubby) #1

My husband has advanced metastatic bladder cancer. He was diagnosed with stage 1 in 2008 and has gone into remission 4 times. However, in June 2018 he entered his fifth round with cancer, and it is evident that it is not going away this time. I learned on January 16th that it had spread into his bones in multiple places: spine, ribs, pelvis, skull. It is also in his lungs. Amazingly, he still feels relatively very little symptoms, and enjoys a fairly good quality of life, and he looks very healthy.

This process of 11 years with cancer, can be nearly crippling from a psychological perspective. I don’t have the time to explain how many surgeries and chemo / immunotherapy treatments Hubby has gone through. I have studied natural therapies for many of the 11 years. Along with following the advice of hubby’s oncologist, we have practiced many natural therapies, in an attempt to cure him or extend and add quality to his life. I can’t say for sure that the natural therapies have worked, because he is only one case. However, my hubby has lived longer than 95% of most people with his particular disease, so I am glad we have done all these things. Because of the recent progression to the bones, I have been highly motivated to find yet another solution.

In my research I stumbled on Carl by accident, as he was speaking at some Keto event that was posted on YouTube. I heard someone mention that he had a podcast call 2 Keto Dudes.
I followed this trail and found Carl and Richard so fascinating that I listened to about 25 episodes my first week, paying careful attention to the episodes regarding cancer. I immediately started a Keto diet and my hubby joined me a week later. Now, 3.5 weeks into my first discovery of 2 Keto Dudes, I have listened to over 60 episodes, and have discovered so much about Keto and other metabolic approaches to treating cancer with non-toxic methods. I spend about 6-8 hours every day researching metabolic therapy, in order to save or extend my hubby’s life, and help him have quality of life. I am so grateful for the 2 Keto Dudes for showing me who the leaders are in this field, like Thomas Seyfried and Nasha Winters. I found many other giants in this field since then. Now, I am on a mission develop a non-toxic plan of care for my amazing hubby. While I am working on this, we are full blown Keto and will do our first intermittent fast tonight after dinner.

I just joined the forum today, so wondering if anyone has experience with treating cancer with Keto and other non-toxic methods.

(Ashley) #2

Hoping you get some good responses! Thank you for being there for your husband! It’s not an easy thing to go through! The documentary “the magic pill” think on Netflix and amazon has a women who ate a Ketogenic diet and her cancer was basically being starved. I don’t know if it can help rid his cancer depending on how advanced it is. But I think eating Ketogenic, he will be starving cancer cells as they thrive on sugar and crap like that! Eating very clean Whole Foods gives cancer a harder time! Good luck with you and your journey!

(Marius the butter craving dude) #3

Get fat adapted and get all micro nutrients and minerals in your body in proper slightly excess amount.
Then it will be easy to do an extended fast. That will starve the cancer in rapid mode.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #4

I’m very sorry you and your husband have to cope with this. God bless, and I hope things go well for you.

This is the Web site of Dr. Dawn Lemanne, an oncologist in Portland, Oregon, who has used a well-formulated ketogenic diet as adjuvant therapy for the treatment of cancer: https://www.oregonio.com/

There are YouTube videos of Dr. Lemanne at various low-carb events, discussing the uses of a ketogenic diet in cancer treatment. She makes no promise of curing cancer, but does feel that the diet is very helpful alongside chemotherapy or radiation, as well as in certain other circumstances, depending on the type of cancer (some cancers actually thrive on a ketogenic diet).

As I recall, Dr. Lemanne will not treat patients at a distance, but she is willing to consult with a patient’s oncolgist about the course of treatment.

(Omar) #5

sorry to hear about this.

my respect to your fighting spirit.

I read not sure where but some types of cancer cells will feed on glutamine and glucose.

By going keto, you can starve cancer cells from one source which is the glucose but still remains the glutamine.

There are researches to disable the transporters or the receptors of glutamine to starve the cancer cells from their second possible source of energy that allow them to multiply.

I am sure you came across such topics in your search effort but I thought I need to mention this in case you didn’t come across such thing.

(Lesley Monroe) #6

You are a amazing wife :heart_eyes::kissing_heart: and my prayers are with you both

(For the love of my hubby) #7

Thank you for bringing this up. I am researching ways to reduce Glutamine. I found a tip from Dr. Angela Poff PhD, that Phenylacetate can be used for this purpose. Then I searched and found a drug called Ammunul that is a sodium phenylacetate. It bonds it with Glutamine and flushes through the kidneys. It was made for some other medical disorder, so I need to speak with Mike’s Osteopathic doctor, who has treated him holistically for the last 8 years, to see if it is safe and makes sense as an add-on to Keto and fasting.

(Edith) #8

Annette Bosworth, MD, wrote a book called “Any Way You Can,” about how she helped her mother fight cancer with a ketogenic diet.

(The amazing autoimmune 🦄) #9

She was also interviewed recently on the podcast.

Her book is free if you have a kindle membership.

(Todd Allen) #10

Dr. Peter Attia has some great podcasts on keto and cancer, such as episode 30 with Thomas Seyfried.
https://peterattiamd.com/podcast/

The episodes with Dominic D’Agostino and Navdeep Chandel may also be helpful.

(Carl Keller) #11

I admire you @sgranger1967. You are an amazing wife and I will pray for you and your husband. Best wishes to you both.

(Bob M) #12

I don’t like the way that Attia presents Seyfried’s theories as being “controversial”. This is science and he’s presenting a plausible alternative view of cancer. That should NEVER be “controversial”.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #13

Einstein’s Special Relativity was controversial in its day. So was quantum theory, and Einstein himself never became reconciled to it, even though he introduced the concept in the first place. The germ theory of disease was controversial in its time—heck, even the idea of washing your hands between patients was disputed, and senior doctors’ lack of respect for the notion drove poor Semmelweis to suicide. “Should be” and “is” are often barely on the same planet, alas!

(Todd Allen) #14

But to go from plausible view to a treatment protocol with a well established rate of success requires a lot of testing, time and money. And when it involves something free or unpatentable such as dietary restriction there is going to be very little private sector support.

There is plenty of controversy with regards to keto diets for the far simpler problem of weight loss where one can experiment nearly endlessly with little urgency to get it exactly right. With cancer you don’t get a lot of retries and not knowing details for the tremendous number of different cancers like how one should determine targets for ketones, carbs, protein, total calories, etc. or how to best integrate it with respect to various conventional approaches such as chemo, radiation and surgery means there will be controversy for a very long time to come.

(Bob M) #15

But it shouldn’t be. Remember when low carb was so controversial that Atkins had to pay for a study himself, as the powers that be thought it was too dangerous. Why?

Science should not be like this – ever. As an engineer, taught to question everything, modern science, particularly in the medical and nutritional fields, disgusts me. It’s not science, it’s rules based on fiat and eminence, not on science. This is why Gary Taubes refused to call the nutrition people “scientists”. And this type of doing things a certain way simply because certain people think they should be done that way goes against the scientific method, and we would all be better off if medicine was taught like true science instead of being eminence-based.

(Bob M) #16

You’ll also note many of the people we like in the low carb community are… Engineers. Ivor Cummin, Dave Feldman, even the 2 keto dudes, all are essentially engineers. They weren’t taught via eminence-based medicine.

(Karim Wassef) #17

Sorry for your pain and wish you continued renewed strength.

Please research extended fasting autophagy for healing. Keto is good, but disease requires a more aggressive approach. Keto adaptation is step 1. Fat adaptation is step 2. Fasting and autophagy is step 3.

(Charlotte) #18

I watched that documentary before I started keto and I found it so inspiring and informative. It really gave me the motivation to get started on my keto journey. I always recommend it to people as a starting point in their research who are interested in learning more about a keto lifestyle.

(Scott) #19

Sorry that you all are going through this and will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

I recommend a book Tripping Over the Truth: The Return of the Metabolic Theory …

Book by Travis Christofferson https://g.co/kgs/oKV9jN

I found it very informative and revealing.

(KCKO, KCFO 🥥) #20

I second this recommendation. She has a great youtube channel as well.

So sorry you have had to endure this, hoping that he can remain as healthy as humanly possible for as long as possible.