Any ideas why this happened?


(From XL > Medium) #42

Yes, around 6 weeks. I have since reduced my fasting periods and eaten for longer periods too. I have around 25 more pounds to lose, but I’m happy to achieve that loss more gradually. My recent large weight lose was really a desperate measure, as I have had zero success in losing weight all my life and all the experts advice and meds have only resulted in my getting heavier, with all that comes with that.
So after the weight started dropping during my first 2 fasting periods, I was just so motivated to keep it going and not eating is just so easy as its not something you do, its something you don’t do. Plus I saved a lot of money on not buying food, gas to go and get the food, lug it around, prepare it, cook it, eat it, clean up after, all of which takes a lot of time when it is added up, not to mention the saving on cleaning supplies, energy & water, plus all the effort to do all of this.
Because the way we have been conditioned about eating has been so inculcated into our mindset during our lives, and its everywhere too, most people don’t give it a second thought really (we all gotta eat, right?). But once you see that you don’t actually have to eat 3 meals a day, or even eat every day, it frees you up, gives you options, flexibility, and a lot more time!

It puts you in control.


(From XL > Medium) #43

Thank you for that. How can I know if I am fat adapted or not?


(Doug) #44

It’s really just being used to burning fat, rather than carbohydrates. If you’ve been eating carbs most days - the “Standard American Diet” or the like in many countries is full of them, then you’re likely quite used to it, and will get hungry after not too many hours. The genes that control fat-burning get suppressed, and the body is dependent on carbohydrates for energy.

You’ve done 10 and 18 day fasts - I think you’re good to go.


(From XL > Medium) #45

Meaning I am fat adapted?
But my morning blood sugars while fasting are still too high I think (over 125) and often much higher. I am on my 3rd day of fasting today. My blood sugars for the last 3 days have been;

198, 177, 149

I watched the recent iThrive docuseries online and found it very interesting.
In one of the episodes, one of the doctors advised to test your blood sugars over a 4 hour period after you start eating and not just at the 2 hour peak point which I have always been told to test.

When I did this, after eating plant based diet with some cheese and egg, my blood sugars were;

Before eating 171.
1 Hour = 196
2 Hour = 164
3 Hour = 149
4 Hour = 155

This is without taking any of my diabetic meds, including insulin (Levemir), which I have stopped using whether I am fasting or not. I don’t know what those figures indicate. Perhaps i need to do more of those tests and also, test with unhealthy food, as that doctor advised.
But I have broken my food addiction for fried food, fast food, sweet food/candy, pizza, etc, during my recent fasting periods, an achievement that I never imaged I could do since I loved that food and did so for many years.
Now I get excited about eating all the enormous variety of plant based foods that I have changed my diet to, as well as nuts and seeds.

I am hoping that with further weight loss, I will stop being insulin resistant.


(Naomi Brewster) #46

This is a good question - Longo thinks fasting isn’t necessarily a stress on the body - that it is historically a normal part of the yearly cycle and so we are adjusted to utilise fasting as a time to clean up the system. Rhonda obviously views it differently and that fasting is stressful on the body but more of a hermetic stress that generates positive mechanisms in the body to cope. Does it really matter - it doesn’t change the process only the way we think about it


(From XL > Medium) #47

Well, it might matter when the advice as given here when fasting is “you need to recover”, given from the point of view that fasting is stressing to the body. But if it is not, then there is nothing to recover from.


(From XL > Medium) #48

I found a couple of things online (where else nowadays!) that talk about what recovery is.
Its not really the right word to use it seems in this context. It seems that this “recovery” is to do with reacquainting the digestive system with food and restoring gut flora, gut lining, etc, rather than some sort of relieving of stress.
This page explains.


#49

You’ve got it reversed. Insulin resistance drives weight gain (in susceptible people). With fasting, weight loss can occur faster than improved insulin sensitivity.

A low carb diet and/or fasting will drive down glucose and insulin levels, but restoring optimal metabolism will take years. Fortunately, looking and feeling great happens much sooner. :grin:


(From XL > Medium) #50

I know insulin resistance drives weight again (as do other elements). That is why I lost the weight…


(Doug) #51

Yes - from reading your history on this thread, and also that you were apparently able to access your fat stores very well. I sure think so. If, during fasting, you felt really low-energy, cold, etc., then I’d question it.

I think it does work that way, sometimes, 4dml - one type of insulin resistance is where our cells are so full of accumulated fat that they can’t take in glucose or as much glucose and/or it takes a higher level of insulin to start the process. Deflating those cells by losing weight and getting rid of some of the fat surely helps here, no?


#52

I dunno, you’re probably right. But a big piece is hormonal, because a large percentage of bariatric surgery patients are no longer diabetic shortly after surgery and before they’ve lost substantial weight.


(Doug) #53

:slightly_smiling_face: Definitely - the secretion of some hormones and their regulation is instantly altered.


(Dan Dan) #54

Here are exerpts from a few articles of those way smarter than me :wink:

The Main Processes that Turn on Autophagy:

  1. Fasting
  2. Ketosis
  3. Exercise
  4. Acute Stress (which includes fasting and exercise)

Autophagy: The Real Way (Science-Backed Way)to Cleanse Your Body

First of all, autophagy is a response to stress, so you’re actually going to want to put your body through stress in order to drum up a little extra auto-cannibalism.

As is often the case, short-term discomfort can bring long-term benefits. Here are three main ways to boost your autophagy.

  1. Exercise

In case the sweating, grunting, and post-workout pain didn’t tip you off, here’s a reminder: Exercise puts stress on the body. Working out actually damages your muscles, causing tiny microscopic tears that the body then rushes to heal, making the muscles stronger and more resistant to any further “damage” you might put it through.

  1. Fast

Skipping meals, it turns out, is another stressful act that the body may not immediately love but ultimately benefits from.

  1. Lower Your Carb Intake

It’s called ketosis, and it’s an increasingly popular diet among bodybuilders and anyone seeking a longer lifespan. The idea is to reduce carbohydrates to such low levels that the body has no choice but to use fat as a fuel source instead. “Ketosis is like an autophagy hack,” Champ says. “You get a lot of the same metabolic changes and benefits of fasting without actually fasting.”

The Takeaway

There’s a pretty strong case to be made that stress and self-destruction lengthens your lifespan. “It’s our ancestral and evolutionary response to dealing with feast and famine in times of stress,”

The Power of Fasting: How it Fights Disease, Improves Health, and Builds Muscle

The process of autophagy and its importance in cleansing is the main reason why some researchers are speculating that intermittent fasting can improve neuronal function and overall health in a way that is unique from any other style of dieting or calorie restriction.[xv],[xvi]

The research on fasting and neuronal diseases such as Huntington’s and Alzheimer’s is also beginning to look very promising, as fasting has been found to cause a rapid and profound upregulation of autophagy in the brain.[xvii],[xviii],[xix] The translation: This has the potential to remove toxic molecules and damaged mitochondria from your neurons.[xx], [xxi],[xxii],[xxiii]

It is also the reason why some people think that intermittent fasting can help regulate and fight against the aging process.Broadly defined, ‘aging’ refers to the biological changes that occur during a lifetime that result in reduced resistance to stress, increased vulnerability to disease, and an increased probability of death. Autophagy can improve many of these areas.[xxiv]

And the benefits of understand how to turn authophagy “on and off” even extends into the health of your muscles. That is, when you have excess levels of autophagy, you can experience a loss of muscle mass, skeletal fiber degeneration, and weakness.[xxv] In other words, you wouldn’t want autophagy “on” all the time, but you do need a healthy balance of autophagy and growth for the optimal functioning of the human body.

Remember: It’s not just your workouts that break you down and build you back up - your diet does the same thing, and this break down is just as vital to your long term health as the building back up. Here’s what you need to remember:

By allowing for growth when we eat and the autophagic process of repair maintenance and cleansing when we are fasting, we help restore a balance in the cellular maintenance process, not to mention the possible prevention of muscle loss as we age.

The key is there needs to be a balance - You can’t overeat all the time or fast all the time without expecting some sort of negative repercussions. It is the optimal balance of these processes that allows for the breakdown of damaged pieces and their replacement with new well-functioning pieces.

By allowing for growth when we eat, and the autophagic process of repair, maintenance, and cleansing when we are fasting, we help restore a balance in the body that may be a missing link in the prevention of many of today’s deadly and debilitating diseases such as cancer, Alzheimer’s and Huntington’s disease, liver disease, and even loss of muscle size and function.


(From XL > Medium) #55

Thank you so much for posting this information.
Many years ago, I came to the view hat the hardest thing to achieve in life, but which is also the most desirable, is balance. And the above is one more example of how balance is the key.


(bikeflea) #57

Im not a doctor… but what you described is normal. Your body loses it where it wants to. This is why so many people try to spot lose (or my belly, my legs etc). Doesn’t work. Your body has a mind of its own. Keep doing what your doing, those fasting times are amazing. :+1:

If you haven’t read any of Dr. Fungs work … look at his book The Guide to Intermittent Fasting. There is great information on Dietdoctor.com and from Intensive Dietary Management website with Megan Ramos and Dr. Fung.

Everyone is different so you’ll need to figure “you” out. One thing I do know is it took years to gain… but we are all in a hurry to have it all gone tomorrow. Be patient. Love your journey… so many wins. Just eat real food. Keep calm and Keto on.


(From XL > Medium) #58

I have come to realize this. Our bodies are the end result of hundreds of millions and maybe billions of years of evolution and we cannot possibly know more than our biology does.
Our bodies are just so beautiful and packed to the rim with indescribable wonderment.


(From XL > Medium) #59

Have been reading lots on what Jason Fung has to say and watching his videos on YT.
His knowledge and his clarity of conveying it, has proved to be pivotal in the changes that I have been able to make.

I have broken addictions in the past and have done so recently too, by breaking my addiction to fast food, pizza, and anything processed. I now get excited about the real food that awaits when I do eat or plan to and am loving all that I am eating.

My guide as to what to eat is this: Does this thing exist like this in nature?
If it does, you can eat it. if it does not, don’t.


(bikeflea) #60

Exactly! Megan Ramos has been so great to work with at IDM (I’m a long distance client). So much support and good old fashioned common sense. No chasing supplements or other quick fix money makers. Eat real food. Then don’t. Drink water! Feel good. It is so simple. My only trusted sources are Carl, Richard, Megan and Dr. Fung. Keeps it simple. :blush:

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