Another Carnivore Thread

(Susan) #1122

What a beautiful picture =).

(Ashley) #1123

Funny, Michigan here too and we had a nice 60F!!! Funny how up north you guys get dumped and we had a nice sunny day :slight_smile: actually didn’t read that well :slight_smile: 60F on Xmas! And the next day! But on the first I think we had like 45F!

Just started and need help
#1124

One might eat a bunch when starting carnivore. Most of us come from a malnourished situation. Yes even on low carb etc. We control/manipulate/limit/eat plants that go against us and while we feel wonderful on low carb, we are actually still ‘dieting’. We think we can control the body when in truth we can’t. Down to that cellular level.

So when one gets good meat and fat, the body demands to be fed. It is happy as a lark getting the nutrition it requires. Depending on how we are coming into carnivore, your body will ask and ask for food as it needs. This is when carnivores say feed the body all it asks. Just let it happen. As your body uses all this good meat and fat to recover, heal internally and more it might ask for more food or ask for less as it balances itself back to normal. This journey will be very different for each of us cause we are all the same but certainly not in the damage internally to our bodies. The body will repair and heal itself if we feed it as it asks.

Never be scared to eat on carnivore :wink:

(Shane) #1125

Christmas in SE Aus. Ho Ho Ho.
Might have to get out there and mow the nature strip before it blows away.
At least the wind changed and I can see the trees over the road through the smoke haze today.

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On a more carnivore note, my weight dropped again this morning for about the 10th time in the last couple of weeks. Not bad for the holiday season.

#1126

Lunchtime’, actually this will probably be my only meal today. Meat cookies with tallow and egg yolks for topping. Liver for a side.

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(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #1127

Fangs, are you suggesting that those following a ketogenic diet that includes vegetables, spices and nuts are not having their nutritional needs met? And until they go on a carnivore diet and eliminate these things, their body isn’t being fed appropriately?

That’s what it sounds like and while I appreciate the carnivore diet works well for you and the rest of the folks on this thread and in the ZC community I have concerns about the message here. There are people who are healthy and eating a variety of different plans. And you’re right, they’re all technically “dieting”. So are you. So am I.

#1128

Just from a read of her comment I think she may be referring to situations that we have all seen. People go low carb or keto but still insist on caloric restriction. CICO is so ingrained that it’s hard for some to get it out of their head.

If I’m wrong on my read of this I’m sure she’ll tell me. :smile:

(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #1129

I get that plants don’t jive with some people. Heck, I don’t jive with alcohol. But it would be insensitive and wrong for me to tell everyone that to drink alcohol is wrong, even if I thought that deep down. I personally love plants, way more than meat. They make me feel good and alive when they’re part of my life. I respect those doing the carnivore diet, I really do. I simply take issue with blanket statements, that’s all.

#1130

As do I. This isn’t for everybody. In my case, though, kicking veg to the curb has been a good thing. Keto, done right, is good medicine for most people.

#1131

Pretty! We had some hoar frost, it was pretty but melted already. It’s January but it’s still not “very” cold all the time. 30-40F here (Celsius makes much more sense, oh well).

I went out (some cycling), we finally went and found the shop of the pig farm but it was closed. Probably just some after New Year thing, we will try another time. Hopefully when it will be warmer, I was so very cold for hours.

I wasn’t late to order mutton, I will get it, yay! My SO is looking forward to it and will cook mutton goulash. Too bad even I can’t imagine it without potatoes but it will be fine once (and carefully). But I need very low-carb more than before, my body refuses to handle anything else, I get too hungry and that’s horrible (I solve it but it takes huge efforts). My next week will be challenging.

#1132

Alcohol is a toxin but I won’t give it up and my body easily handles it (the minuscule amount I super rarely consume :smiley: It IS a toxin with serious effects if we aren’t careful). Plants are different, we usually eat them often and in significant quantities (not on carnivore, though but it’s true for alcohol as well).
I was a HUGE vegetable lover and I love my fruit garden. I even look with respect at many traditional dishes even if I don’t want to eat them, it’s culture, not trash.
Personally I believe we are very, very different. Plants has very different effect on our individual bodies. I don’t think I need much healing (probably some but mostly not because of plants, probably. I am not an expert, what can I know? some plants aren’t okay just like some animals, I feel that and don’t eat much of those), I don’t do carnivore for that. The plants themselves feel fine to some extent, carbs are problematic for me. Sadly, the two are typically strongly connected. I imagine I will eat plants in the future too but extremely little because of carbs (I probably will experiment with the super low-carb items, those are theoretically fine in bigger amounts. I do my own personal diet, not carnivore. But honestly, it’s way easier just not eating plants unless rarely in tiny amounts, at least for now).
People can get malnourished on any diet but keto is fine even with lots of plants if one does it right, I’m sure about it. I mean, we can eat all the necessary nutrients. It might be bad for us if we can’t handle much (or little) carbs or we can’t absorb something or if we have problems with most plants. Just like surely some people would get sick on carnivore for some reason. Each to their own. But we are subject to change. I surely did. My sweet spot/range shifted.
We won’t all agree about these things, though. It’s normal.

#1133

The protein leverage theory would have us eating enough food until all our essential amino acid requirements are met. The fat leverage theory would have us eating enough food until our essential fatty acid requirements are met. The salt leverage theory would have us eating enough food until our electrolyte micronutrient needs are met. The carbohydrate manipulations of food science would have us eating until we explode due to insatiable hunger.

There is also a physiological state where fat adapted higher protein intake does not influence hunger hormones and insulin response acutely. But in a non fat adapted, non ketogenic state the insulinogenic amino acids can drive hunger due to insulin spiking.

So people come into carnivore in different nutritional states. Those wishing to avoid any hunger complications are better to become fat adapted and in nutritional ketosis as part of the ramp up.

(Shane) #1134

We need to put that on a T shirt.

#1135

Bob called what I was saying. No I am not saying that some don’t do very well on lc etc. What I was saying is when one ‘over manipulates’ their plans, any people can all do this on any plan, we can fall prey to malnutrition easily. I am not talking just ‘dieting’ as in changing your eating plan to healthier, I am talking more restrictions and overly forced fasts and more a lot of people ‘do’ to starve down the scale.

The message isn’t carnivore is end all be all for everyone :slight_smile: The message is friggin’ eat well for nutrition and stop ‘over dieting’. That is where we lose a lot on our plans.

#1136

LOL you called it. You know me so well. You understood exactly what I was saying, one carnivore to another HAHA

#1137

I didn’t blanket statement in that other post tho :slight_smile:

but carnivore is no plants. we have reasons why we don’t eat them. So if one wants to eat plants on another plan, then have at it. Do your thing. No one ever says this is wrong for you. But in carnivore land I sure will never say plants are healthy to eat. It is not me. If you read that and disagree, then hey, that is cool. We all do what we need thru this life but a carnivore like me finds the science studies and more very core valuable info about my plan and it is something I would chat about because of that. I ain’t shy that way LOL

(bulkbiker) #1138

All our t shirts would be too small to fit that on since going carnivore!

#1139

Sometimes I wonder about this “huge hunger on high-carb” thing… We see people often satiate their hunger with carbs, something with just carbs so carbs are satiating for them to some extent. Losing fat easily on high-carb is less common but if there is lots of food, carbs work for most, it seems. Carb is the least satiating macro in general but people are different and even if it satiates someone less than protein and fat, it still may satiate them pretty nicely. Just less than the other two.
I know I am nothing like that and it seems to get even more extreme. I seem a weirdo and then I saw this even more extreme opinion/experience here.
It seems logical there are more people who has serious problems with the satiation effect of carbs among ketoers and especially carnivores. For us, lowering carbs is important, we need this. It still seems exaggerating that one can’t get satiated if they eat many carbs, even I don’t have that and while people may exist who have it worse than me, it must be very rare. Or just people can’t massively overeat? Or they forced HCLF and they need much fat for satiation?
How common is this among you? I mean, being hungry on a carby diet even if eating very much? it’s really odd to me, most people eat tons of carbs and get satiated. Many of them don’t even need huge amounts. Its logical the body uses carbs if it get carbs anyway. Mine uses carbs, it just demands more not-carb calories even if it means a huge excess and I gain fat. I am quite simple regarding that, I even have a formula that shows the macro requirements for my satiation. It obviously can’t be perfect but close.

I usually hear people get hungry soon after carby meals, I’ve read that zillion times. Is it common? Maybe it’s not even about carbs only, well, probably. I never had this. I get hungry right away if my meal isn’t right, satiation never comes (or if I had it before my meal, it runs away). My family members all need big meals, not tiny ones as most people, seemingly and it’s not that easy to get hungry soon after a huge meal I suppose. I have very little info about others, I only closely observed two people and zero at least vaguely “normal” ones.

(Shane) #1140

I threw out nearly 20 of my music festival T shirts a couple of months ago.
I’ve just been on amazon.com to buy a couple of T shirts for an upcoming music event in the hills that has a high tree hugging hippy attendance.
I tend to identify as a beef eating vegan that doesn’t eat plants, so I was going to get-
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But at checkout it says they don’t ship to Australia. I might have to pay twice as much and get one crappier looking local T shirt.

#1141

You’re like my carnivore big sister! :laughing:
I do sometimes read your posts and think, I know what she means but that is so going to make someone butthurt.