Hi guys. Now that I wrote a too long comment I want to abandon, I write this. If anyone has problem with my totally not carnivore woe (I try and I need even less meat for it now than in the beginning but my circumstances are problematic), maybe don’t read this. It’s connected as I try to do carnivore, it’s just a tad tricky and I fell off the wagon a lot. But I don’t give up. I always will have carnivore and especially carnivore-ish days, they are the best ones. I still can’t have only/mostly them but maybe I will find a way.
@David_Stilley: Losing fat is something else again, we don’t need keto for that (it often helps a lot, of course. or not, we are different). Lots of people lose fat quickly eating much carbs and not being fat adapted. The energy must come from somewhere, after all and satiation is individual (and some people are willing to be hungry a lot anyway). And out fat is there to be burned if needed, a normal body does that fine.
But I think too that fat adapted is fat adapted. Not like I know much about fat adaptation, I just enjoy it. But it’s connected with very low carb intake and keto has it too.
@Fangs, you wrote it’s different but didn’t explain why. What does plant matter do with fat adaptation? The body gets little carbs from the outside, it must get fat adapted… Plants may have zillion effects on our body but what it is regarding fat adaptation?
Hmmm, adaptation troubles. What does it mean if someone has zero adaptation problems like me? (I will totally try carnivore longer term as soon as I can get enough and proper meat, I only have access to smoked pork and some fish. Some people have problems later and I am curious. And quite sure I wouldn’t have problems. It’s not my style. But I can’t possibly know for sure.) I did things gradually and still think fat was my primary fuel all my life (probably. I didn’t track but I ate VERY fatty, carbs had little chance to be number one on most days as they triggered hunger and that triggered eating more fat and fatty protein). Or is it simply individual? There are more resilient and quite healthy people and that’s it? Maybe I never will know much about these…
What can sweeteners (the ones without net carbs) do with fat adaptation? They don’t provide usable carbs either. I don’t know how they can interfere, probably in various interesting ways. They seem to interfere with fat-loss too and not just because they make one eating more. That’s a pretty weird reaction to me.
Sweeteners are about the first things I allow when I can’t do carnivore due to lack of meat. They don’t harm me and I can stay close to carnivore (more like keeping my net carbs super low, that’s what is important for me, after all though I don’t plan to eat flax either and it barely have any net carbs. still. it’s in the past). Gluten is similar but the other plant matter just cause problems if the amount isn’t super tiny. It’s surely very individual… I try not to eat sweeteners and gluten but it’s not like I have better options until I can get meat (and maybe even later, I don’t know if I can handle much meat for long. but it probably wouldn’t be a problem if I had enough variety).
I bought pork today, I already run out of it days ago, I missed it and my days became chaotic, I couldn’t become satiated easily even on my 13 egg day (personal record, I guess). The little shop of the pig farm is very nice, I socialize there 
The lady is lovely and love their pigs. She eats meat only once or twice per week but started to eat less carbs because she realized her body loves that. I will talk with her about this topic more, there wasn’t time for it now. Or ask more about the guy who sell rabbits… Oh well, we will have rabbits in the end of summer from the usual source. Fruit season started already, I surely won’t have long carni periods. I think about doing at least “every second day is carnivore” as it lowers my net carb intake therefore my calories and it’s what matters to me (and a lot of other things, I don’t want to supplement magnesium but I probably need more meat for that. I wonder if just eating more fish would be enough).
But if I can do it, I want longer periods of carnivore-ish (if it’s not a single day, I will add tiny amounts of plant matter) as I never handled alternating days so well. I like stability. And I don’t need to eat fruits every second day, no matter how much I have in my garden. I changed. I am actually quite curious about my fruit consumption this year. It won’t be much, it’s clear but we will see what exactly will happen (and how many edible-even-alone fruits are left… stupid modern fruits are insanely sugary. though dairy shocked me more. my beloved heavy cream and sour cream aren’t too sugary to me, fortunately. heavy cream is for desserts in my life so that could be much sweeter without problems. but I dislike overly sweetness in not sweet dishes. I probably will stop eating vegetable soups even off keto, they are too sweet, even the low-carb vegetables. and I don’t want vegetables anyway. I want soups but I have no proper meat to make good soups. fine, I will use just eggs).
