My carnivore-ish is carnivore and maybe 1-2g carbs from very limited options. Zero fruit (except some lemon juice), zero nuts and oily seeds, zero high-carb items, zero sweetener and I am not sure about fiber but fiber is pretty useless so zero fiber will doā¦ Itās mostly a separate label from carnivore to allow condiments (I have some more sugary ones, I use them rarely and carefully but they are helpful), use diluted beetroot juice to pickle eggs and have some slice of raw juicy vegs here and there. And stews and maybe eggs/meat in purgatory? Little carbs from plants, used very occasionally nowadays but they are very important egg or meat dishes in need.
I just want to cover my bases when I have my longer carni times (I mean, I could do carnivore at any strictness level for a day but for a weekā¦? I need my -ish).
So itās pretty strict in my world and I tend to fail it in summer (because of the no fruit rule, obviously).
And I still have no idea of milk but I think a little is okay in my carnivore-ish. Doesnāt really matter as I rarely drink milk and when I do, itās summer so I relax my ways anyway (not intentionally, usually. it just happens).
And I have ānear carnivoreā times. I donāt call them ketovore as it just seems wrong (and I have no idea what ketovore is, I have read about it and still donāt know, itās probably a super wide term I canāt understand anyway). They are often way carbier than other peopleās keto anyway but my food is almost exclusively carnivore. The tiny rest is carby like hell though, typically.
Or not but the items are beyond what I allow on carnivore-ish.
It has nothing to do with carbs, it may be 3g or 40gā¦ Itās still āmore or less close to carnivoreā to me. And definitely keto. And there is no ban on items. It only matters that my normal food is carnivore or very close to it - and I add some extras as treats.
But I donāt actually have a very clear idea of this so itās so useless to try to define them. It doesnāt matter. Carnivore-ish does but this other thingā¦ I went off and I try to stay close especially regarding my normal food where itās easiest, itās important to keep my right attitude when I need food. I canāt just add non-carni items then and it makes no sense as I want to eat carni food. But there are tempting nice things in the not really food category.
And then I have the times when I take a break. I used to avoid meat then, for various reasons but I only do that now if I have vegetarian experiments (I never had them, my only vegetarian days since I first tried carnivore happened when I got bored of meat very much but I am over those things now I am sure). Now I just eat normally but taste Alvaroās non-carni dishes and I am a bit more relaxed regarding my fav non-carni items but I try not to go overboard and I usually donāt. Except certain fruits, obviously. If I was a manager who want to solve the biggest eating problems in my life calling the problem children into my office, I would call fruits and fat. But fat is innocent alone so I probably would tell him I donāt blame him but he should choose his pals to hang with better and I will talk with other parts in order that they donāt trigger him to come to balance things out. I respond with eating fat to many things, carbs were the number one, vegs (those carbs too, I know) the number two, thatās why mere keto didnāt work so well for meā¦ Carni should but my fat intake is tricky and finds a way.
I just need to get leaner pork and keep trying to quit coffee and it will be good. Winter is coming! And I never want more fat in winter, in the contrary (due to less carbs).
Sorry, I try not to come for a while. But I will be here in September and it really should be better than August. Especially these late days, it went so well some weeks beforeā¦
But it takes FOREVERā¦ True, even my tiny carni times changed me way more quickly than keto could in years (on/off but I do carni on/off too) but I still canāt seem to do it right. But I know I have problems in summerā¦ Winter will be interesting, I lost my easy boredom of meat this year!
Extended fasts are natural things in my life since ages. I always skipped a day here and there when I just couldnāt eat any. Okay, it was surely due to my high-carb diet (my body wanted a break from the overeating) but stillā¦ 
Okay, okay, nopt realistic. But it would give me an energy deficit (and break from overeating in my worst times). I canāt get it any other way, apparently. Theoretically itās possible but it needs so careful focus and maybe force that I just never do it.
But I should as no way I could do more than a single EF per year or something. Not like I could do ONE when I triedā¦ So it doesnāt matter, itās impossible tooā¦ And it would be only a super tiny help, once.
No, I like eating every day, I just canāt seem to do it properly. Itās not only the macros, things donāt go smooth and chill as they should. Sometimes they do but sometimes donāt.
But hopefully it will get sorted out in September. āKetovoreā is surely a horrific idea to me, it canāt work, just annoys me and I end up overeating and not right. Carnivore (or something very close) is my goal, I just canāt do it even if I try as hard as itās possible for me under my current circumstances. I canāt choose my woe, I donāt work that way. I canāt choose my timing (much). I have barely any control. I can choose my food to some extent and thatās it.
Someone should stop me.
I surely told you many times I am passionately against any and all forced fasts (unless maybe if itās life or death for someone for some reason? and people doing it from spiritual reasons are different too).
My own EFs canāt be forced as I have less than zero power to force anything on me. Including keto. If I fancy carbs, I eat carbs, I canāt just stop meā¦ Well I may try, I have skills like ālabel readingā (very effective) and āreasoningā and whatnot 
But I almost exclusively depend on my training and taste changes. Training is not fully natural but not forced at all. Itās very important for me and got some good results with it.
But EFs are tempting. I want autophagy. And there are other, more tangible benefits. I just canāt do them yet. But I canāt give up as itās so very tempting! But it must come easily. I donāt do hard things eating/fasting wise.
And I always counter your forced fasting with forced eatingā¦ I WONāT force-feed myself just because my body and mind desire and need an EF! So if they are with me, it will happen and it will has nothing to do with the availability of food.
(Too bad my body does its best to manage eating each and every day, no matter how I still accidentally abuse it. But maybe it will change one day. I usually have days when itās 6pm and I still have no hunger or appetite. Itās promising even if they arenāt enough for me to be able to fast.)
So I canāt force anything. I will just skip lunches That is almost the opposite, avoiding completely needless eating that does bad to me!
Today I got hungry at lunchtime so I ate thoughā¦ But the right attitude is skipping lunch by default. (It still wonāt trigger OMAD but there is a chance and there is a big chance for OMAD OR TMAD. And thatās perfect.)
No, itās not a sprain, that was only once and that took 3-4 months to heal, never again! Itās just a purple bump MUCH better today, not worth to mention. Even my last 2 mosquito bites are worse (but these are some bad ones. still not a big deal but I soooo loved when we had no mosquitos almost all summerā¦).
A bit vague tracking says ~200g protein or something (and thatās mostly meat). Sigh. But my eating window was huge and my meat was lovely, I have no regrets as usual but tomorrow should be not meat eating all day long 
so i am tired today and ready for bed now.
but I get it.
