Am I in Ketosis?

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#1

I am diabetic and after hearing and reading about people who had reversed their diabetes, I was determined to reverse mine. I came across the Ketogenic diet and Ketosis recently and I decided to fast after doing 2 meals a day, then one meal a day. I last ate on Monday around 6.30pm. Its is now Sunday morning. I have had lemon water with salt and on 2 days I had some bone broth. I also had some coffee yesterday too (which I have cut out almost entirely). My reason for writing is that my morning and before bed blood sugars are around 130-140. I have not taken any insulin for about 3 weeks. So am I in ketosis?

#2

I strongly suggest you consult with your doctor. What you are doing is potentially very dangerous. You do not say what kind of diabetic you are but I am assuming T2 or you would be in serious trouble by now. You should never stop taking medication without consulting with your doctor. I am sorry to come across as bossy or harsh but I find this very worrying and urge you to speak to your doctor straight away.

We are not doctors and I really feel that you need medical supervision with this.

#3

I feel fine, I’m not hungry and I’m not really thinking about food. My BMI is around 48% and I need to lose about 50lbs.
Seeing a doctor is expensive for me but aside from that, the doctor can only advise me with what she has been trained in, which is to keep me a drug-dependent slave, with my diabetes only getting worse and worse, my weight not coming down and all the associated health consequences that result from the diabetes not being addressed.
Insulin only lowers blood sugar. It does not address the effects of diabetes. But also, as Jason Fung tells us, insulin is the cause of insulin resistance and it prevents fat stores from being used.
You cannot lose weight either while there is insulin in your body.

I cured my depressed and other mental suffering, by myself, within a short period of time and after many years of trusting the system to help me, which it never did. All it did was keep me in a continuous state of suffering, to the point where suicide was something I contemplated.

The medical world is well known as being in the sickcare business, not the healthcare business, worldwide.
They are not interested in reversing my diabetes.

I am type 2. Diabetic for 23 years, worsening over time. Doctors have only kept my diabetes going, principally because of the erroneous basis of their whole approach. Pharma companies are not interested in people’s health.
For many people and conditions, we really are on our own.

(Allie) #4

You may want to do some research into the work of Dr Jason Fung. There’s a lot of free info online. He really knows about this stuff.

(Richard Morris) #5

We’re not Doctors (even if some of us are) but most especially we’re not your Doctor

I bold’ed that because it’s important. Doctors are the only professionals with the training to understand the entire context of your health. People here can certainly share what they did, but they have no idea of the complete context of your health and can’t advise you. You should always work with your doctor to manage your health. If you think that Doctor is not sufficiently skilled to deal with your specific condition … maybe they are relying too much on pharmaceutical treatments, or dietary options that are not helping you … then Change your doctor.

Either convince your doctor that you want to try alternative treatments, or find a doctor who will work with you to do that.

Doctors don’t want to be just treating symptoms. They want to be treating disease.

A symptomatic understanding of Diabetes is that it is a disease of inadequate regulation of glucose. And in that context Insulin is one of the many drugs a patient can take to lower their glucose. But the reality of type 2 diabetes is that it is at it’s root a disease of producing too much insulin over decades that gradually reduces it’s effectiveness so you have to make (and eventually inject) even more.

A ketogenic diet will reduce the amount of insulin you need. But if you have to inject insulin then you MUST go through this process with your doctor. They need to know that you are reducing your intake of sugar and starch, and they need to help you slowly and safely reduce the amount of insulin you take in response to the amount you appear to need. Over time (and it can be a short time) you will likely need less, and eventually your own on-demand production may be able to take over the job. But some people on a Ketogenic diet STILL require insulin injections, this includes type 1 diabetics and type 2 diabetics that have inadequate remaining insulin production in their pancreases.

Your doctor will know this vitally important context. Plus they will know all the hundreds of OTHER things that could affect that process which may or may not apply to you. Plus they will be conservative in their treatment, and if there is one place you really want a conservative approach it is in your health care. And finally if they do a bad job you can always sue them for malpractice to pay for the medical bills necessary to remediate that.

#6

Not in the health care field at all but agree with everyone, you need medical care if you have diabetes and are stopping insulin or even just being on keto or fasting.

I did read “Diabetes Unpacked” recently and it is a book with chapters written by different experts. Chapter 4 is written by Dr. Robert Cywes who is a bariatric surgeon but talked about how he gets his patients off of insulin if they are complying with a keto diet. On page 83 of chapter 4 he talks about how he uses fasting BG as a guide to lower insulin but he emphasizes that close monitoring by a physician is critical

(Carpe salata!) #7

Firstly, you should check with a doctor. You won’t get personal medical advice here.

BMI is not a percent and if it was 48 you would need to lose more than 50lb depending on your height. Blood sugar of 140 isn’t dangerous in the short term but over months or years it can damage your eyes, kidneys, feet and blood vessels. If you feel well and not hungry, that is a good sign. But with elevated insulin (which it most likely is with those glucose numbers) you might not be in ketosis.

You might be helping your health, but fasting can have some serious effects so listen to your body if things change. Also, check with your doctor.