All Animal August---Triple A

#452

I never ate again, yay so yesterday stayed pretty good.
And I am quite satiated even now. It’s 1:40pm so it’s normal but I may get hungry earlier after low-cal days. Or when I eat too late, that has a similar effect for some reason. Maybe due to my 12 hour thing. About 12 hours after my last meal I get hungry unless I am asleep. Another reason to avoid late night eating. I actually was up 12 hours after my dinner as I managed to wake up at 5am(!) but I still don’t eat right after waking up. Or maybe it doesn’t work on carnivore-ish, who knows? I don’t remember what happened in the rare cases I ate too late on carnivore.

I gave the old chicken to the cats. Caroline didn’t eat it. Well I imagine freshly caught big voles are tastier… But she usually eats meat and other animal things just fine. Tofu and a stray cat ate the chicken.

I fry exactly one pound pork chuck today, it’s already in the pan. I decided against a roast, the oven pot has Alvaro’s dish in it and the meat is so tiny. It’s more interesting not in the usual way anyway, I suppose. So meat cubes and later mincemeat for me, I suppose. I can never know as I mess up my plans at any time. I only know what my meal exactly is after I ate it.
I put 1/4 teaspoon of salt on my pork as even my roasts need that amount and it’s easy to add more.
I start to track my sodium intake… Tracking is so very easy without dairy, I never had as very few lines as yesterday! I don’t eat more than one kind of processed meat a day either, it’s bresaola for me now :slight_smile:

NO WAY I would salt free even for a day… (I would need a fasting day for it.) But I like my little amount and I am very curious what low amounts I will go to in my current style… Eggs and meat barely need any salting if it’s me…

If you are anything like me, it will be significantly sweeter… I had a very serious ideal sweetness drop on low-carb (just like my family members on… 150g low-carb or whatever they do… and Alvaro on added sugar-free high-carb. just skipping the sugar did the trick) but then it never changed for years. And then came my carnivore trials… And it dropped more and I lost my sweets desire as well. But when I go off, I get it all back, I think. (I mean, the before-carnivore level, I never want super sweet things again.)

(Edith) #453

Hi Everyone, All Animal August turned out to not be all animal for me which is one of the reasons I didn’t post much on this thread. Within a day or two of going back to strict carnivore, I started right back with the heart palpitations. But… I think I may have solved the problem, so I am going to start afresh for September.

For the past week, I have really been keeping up the salt intake. Unfortunately, I seem to need it almost like prescription, which does make me wonder about me and low carb sometimes. Since I have really upped my intake, even the hint of muscle cramps are gone. I actually feel better, and the heart palpitations are almost gone. I do still get them when I overdo the histamine containing food. Sleep is improved, but not perfect.

So, it will be interesting to see how the new trial goes with keeping up the salt supplementation. It’s nice that our little carnivore group has grown.

(Vic) #454

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Blood sausage, bit of ground beef and beef liver.
Last lunch of August.

#455

I couldn’t eat my pound of pork (it would have been possible but I rather eat it later) but I handled my second very very simple lunch quite well, I mean I don’t miss variety (I have a little variety anyway) or special stuff. The meat was tasty and a tad boring in the meaning it often is: I just can’t eat until satiation but I can get rid of my hunger and it’s more than enough. I had a slice of bresaola and 3 eggs, one in my coffee, mostly because my meat wasn’t ready when I got hungry.

No photo as I managed to empty the camera accumulator with shooting at hummingbird hawk-moths again :smiley: And all the animal photography lately… It was a nice year for that, the pond has an improved fauna now and the animals get less and less shy around people. Alvaro saw a blue heron today and I saw one yesterday. That’s special, I can only count on swans, coots, ducks and small egrets, they are always there.

@Carnivoor’s photo makes me hungry, maybe I finish the rest of my pork :smiley: Too bad the butcher doesn’t have beef liver (or beef anything when I go there), I would gladly eat some again. But he has pork heart quite often, I probably try to buy some this week, egg and meat is a huge drop in variety for me, I need my organs! :upside_down_face:

#456

I can’t wait to hear about your solving but here is some info from a carnivore site:

Heart palpitations, pounding heart and flutters are a common side effect of the carnivore diet but in most cases it’s usually temporary and nothing to worry about.

WHAT’S HAPPENING
When you first embrace a carnivore diet, it’s common to notice your heart rate has become elevated or your stroke volume increases. This is usually due to a lower blood volume and the of low blood volume may be dehydration as well as a lack of electrolytes. The heart then has to work harder to maintain your blood pressure, which is where you feel those pounding heart beats.

WHAT’S THE CURE?
The simplest solution is drinking enough water and ensuring that you maintain the salt that your body needs can help to combat those heart palpitations. Other solutions include:

  • Take some magnesium - up to 400mg per day is the recommended daily allowance and safe for most people.

  • Get your salt intake on point - too much or too little can cause heart palpitations. It’s certainly more likely that you’re having too little instead of too much.

  • Add in carbs - if your heart palpitations don’t go away after a few weeks, you may need to add in more carbs to increase blood volume.

------------see for me personally I am a super salter and always have been my whole life from day 1 I think LOL but key being I do ‘worse on lower salt’ and know I need it now thru my personal life, you might be ME in that your salt intake might need to easily double or triple for ‘you’ and I eat a TON of salt daily and do well…so as much as others need way less or none truly there are US in it all :slight_smile: I will be super interested to hear you changes as you are handling them.

(Edith) #457

That’s a little disconcerting. :stuck_out_tongue:

Take some magnesium: Been doing that for years, but need seems to go up on carnivore, possibly due to oxalate dumping

Get your salt intake on point: Currently working on that.

Add in carbs: That did help after my last trial. ( From what I read/heard that is why Paul Saladino added carbs back into his diet.) This trial is a little different with the salt, so we shall see.

#458

yea some medical mumbo jumbo will hit of course but in the end, this is about fixing what might be wrong so the ‘possible stroke’ stuff will not come into play…but in full life ya know…what ain’t gonna cause a stroke, or heart attack or automimmune issues and more thru the studies we real nowadays.and something will take each of out at some point…we all know we ain’t got a prayer in the end HAHA…yea a tad flip in my response but I get ya on it

(Daisy) #459

@Fangs yay! Love seeing pictures from you!!
Sorry I didn’t post yesterday, it was an insane day. Here was food: Canadian bacon, eggs, and psmf toast. Sirloin and yogurt. Seafood mix and fresh bone broth jello with collagen powder!

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#460

For dinner, I ate my leftover pork, sponge cake with cod liver (without most of the oil… it’s a tender, nice things but just a few quick bites) and another eggy coffee. It was a more substantial day than yesterday, 2MAD (well 3-4 if we count the breaks, whatever, IF 19/5, it’s pretty common in my life), as much fat as protein :slight_smile: So pretty normal. Very low exercise due to the gloomy/rainy day and my mood, I should do it better tomorrow!

I have leftover boiled yolks so… I will make carnivore biscuits. Without dairy this time… I am curious how long I will last without any.

(Karen) #461

Up at a more sociable time this morning, 7.45am and stair runs done before heading to CrossFit. Hard gassy workout but fun as my daughter turned up. She may have told me on Sunday that she was going today and I forgot if she did. She sort of gave me that ‘i told you I was coming today’ look! Anyway it was great to see her, ots always great to see her :heart_eyes:

Straight home after and brunch was a sirloin steak eggs and bacon, steak was nice and rare.

Dinner was disgusting lol 2 lamb burgers … never again unless I make my own.

Had some cheddar and some stilton

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Phoned the hotel i will be staying in over the weekend on my dance break. Spoke to receptionist who said that because they were cooking for a group I would have to eat off the group menu as they were short staffed after the pandemic! She did however say that I could probably get more of what I can eat if I am not eating all the plant food. We will see! I would have been quite happy to pay extra to eat off their restaurant menu but because we eat separately to the restaurant guests they didn’t have the staff to cook other stuff that isn’t on group menu. Definitely taking stuff with me in case I get hungry lol. Anxiety levels rising already but I will just have to keep talking to myself as I can’t do much about it other than what I have done and to take extra stuff with me. Me thinks I will be eating a lot of cheese. Going to take a food container tub so 8 can put breakfast in it till I am ready to eat. At least I should be able to have a full English… eggs bacon sausages without the other bits… I will get them to cook me extra lol. I am sure this hotel is table service if my memory serves me well, rather than help yourself seevery.

(Linda ) #462

Food today first meal was lamb 2nd meal I ate a strip steak for the extra fat…
I will finish the lamb and other steak tomorrow.

(Daisy) #463

Today was just a carnivore day of eating. Not low fat, not even low carb. The yogurt I had was massively high carb for a plain unsweetened yogurt!! But this is a mega stressful week and I’m just trying to get through it so today is what it is.
Breakfast was a ground beef and bacon omelette with bone broth jello and collagen powder. Lunch was brisket. Dinner was a carnivore cinnamon roll.
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#464

38 posts from me in the All Animal August thread. Once again I Learned a lot from the chat. Thank you all for your wisdom and curiosity.

My mum had the end of her nose amputated off due to skin cancer yesterday, so I went and looked after her after work. The surgery was done under local anaesthetic so Mum was bright and chirpy. She is 79 and diabetic, so we will see how things go. She goes for plastic surgery tomorrow to rebuild the end of her nose.

I helped her fill out some online forms for the next hospital admission. The biggest sections to fill out were the chronic illnesses and the medications lists. Cripes. I told her, jokingly, that her medication list broke the Internet. More seriously I mentioned (again) that if she adjusted her diet a bit we could probably wean her off many of the medications. She said she would listen to her doctor rather than her veterinarian. Excellent burn Mum, one of my degrees is a veterinary degree. We got the forms filled out. I think she heard me telling my older brother on the phone when he checked in that Mum looked like the Sphinx.

We had dinner together. Mum had rabbit food - a green salad with some feta cheese in it (to be healthy). Using cancer as a motivational health tool*. She had an open packet of sweet biscuits in the cupboard. I had 420g roast beef, 100g cooked green lip mussels, 100g duck liver pâté, and that was enough. I offered to share but Mum said it would giver her a heart attack. I think we have talked in these threads and elsewhere on the forum about the futility and feisty fistycuffs of family feeding.

To end on a hopeful note, Mum did read Dr. Michael Mosely’s book on low carb and intermittent fasting about 2 years ago. @Karen18 probably knows Dr. Mosely as he is a British media doctor. From that book she picked up a low carb breakfast she liked and it has become her staple that replaced toast and jam or cereal.

*Why wait to get sick to start getting healthy?

#465

OK GUYS the new thread is open for September…jump on over…and away we go!!!

#466

It’s some human thing. Why to fix that isn’t EPICALLY broken yet and even takes at least a little effort? sigh

It was said beautifully!!! :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:
(Even before I looked up what the hell fistycuff is. I never met the word before. That is hard in learning English very well… You can read thousands of books - mostly fanfics in my life -, frequent forums and chat hours a day for decades and you still meet new words. Not like I don’t meet new Hungarian words but they are really barely known, I know my own language very, very much, I think I met all the common words at this point.)

(Edith) #467

I have an overweight neighbor who several years ago started going for walks and lost a fair bit of weight. I figured he must have had a health scare. Unfortunately, the lost weight returned and I no longer see him going for walks.

Neither of my parents will take my advice. My husband was recently visiting his parents and mentioned to his mother who is starting to become crooked with age, that she really needs to up her protein, that the elderly need more protein because their bodies can’t process it as well. (Ah, he is my best disciple!) She has started eating eggs and Canadian bacon for breakfast. She will never go the higher fat, higher salt route. She has been too brainwashed by the establishment over the decades.
The other thing she really needs is to do strength training to maintain her muscle mass. That is not going to happen either.

See you in the other thread!

(Karen) #468

I do hope your mums cosmetic surgery goes well, sounds awful what she has had to go through with the skin cancer but it sounds like she has a good sense of humour to carry her through … I suspect she needs one with you and your brother :laughing:

Yes I have seen Mosely on documentaries,he seems to do a lot of research on nutrition and his documentaries are usually trials of different nutrional diets and exercise.

OctCarniFest :)
(Ivy) #469

I am some 3 weeks? into keto and am interested in carnivore.
I am wanting to get fat adapted, dont know if carnivore would help before or after that.

Why is/does it seem carnivore is calorie restricting?

How do you get enough fat on carnivore/do you add animal fat after cooking, if its not enough from using it with cooking/if you dont use any to cook it?

Is carnivore something that is best for those that had 1-2 cheat meals on accident?

I am a female 3 weeks new to keto
age 32 at 5’6
BMR 1400 BMI 22 bodyfat 22%
Not yet fat adapted stay physically active pays attn to pufas!

what my macros would look like?
why does/does not carnivore speed up fat adaptation?
are there any effects of carnivore on someone newer to keto, or is it better to ease into it?

#470

We have a new thread every month…

It isn’t… It is if you restrict calories, of course but it’s not about that AT ALL.

I avoid added fat as I already get plenty from my protein sources. But many people add butter… Dairy may up fats too but many of us don’t want to eat much (or any) dairy for reasons.
Some people have super lean low-cal days, you probably don’t need those. Most people just eat whatever seems right. We are usually quite chill. Even I who still struggle sometimes with things (like not eating a ton of fat, it’s hard even after training myself a decade :D) and curiously track, don’t really worry about my macros. 80g fat or 270? 94g protein or 230? I don’t bat an eye, all sounds potentially good. I eat according to my hunger, satiation, stop sign (oh that’s great on carnivore when I eat meat… I just have to stop eating, no wondering if I should eat more or not! or not much. today I got the stop sign a tad early and ate some more protein)… Not random macros that may or may not work for me. And I actually have some vague right macros but I am no robot and my food isn’t always as fatty so my numbers varies.

Stop this fat adaptation obsession already. It will happen if you keep eating keto, don’t worry about it. Some more weeks and you should get it.

(Robin) #471

Karen… you are an inspiration. I cannot imagine stair runs. Well, my knees can’t imagine them. But I like imagining YOU running those stairs! LOL