2 Keto Dudes get a bit agitated then go “on ice”. Ep. 224

[FrankoBear]

I guess the two keto podcasts I listen to most are Diet Doctor and Ivor Cummins’ Fat Emporer,

There was a bit of Ivor Cummins question-asking in these forums back in the pandemic. I did wonder if Ivor was packaged and labelled in a bad way for his shift toward the pandemic health crisis?

I still listen to his podcast and the recent one, back on cardiac disease, where he interviews Dr. Malcom Kendrick about atherosclerosis is a “must listen”, I reckon.

Yep, I’m baffled by who the keto commentators are that upset the 2 keto dudes. My concern is that I’m still listening to them, without being enlightened. The Peak Human podcast with Brian Sanders is quite anti-establishment but a top quality listen. Brett Sher on the Diet Doctor podcast is quite straight laced but they shifted to higher protein eating recommendations that the dudes, @richard, rightfully questioned in the context of available science and in the context of nutritional ketosis for T2D.

I think we are seeing that the ketogenic way of eating has grown to past the fracture point. That is, the aims of eating this way have become many and diverse, and within that diversity conflicts of opinion occur when the context of the therapeutic goal, e.g. blood glucose control, weight loss, mental health benefits, anti-inflammation etc is discussed without a primary context aim in place. So, a person discussing nutritional ketosis for athletic performance isn’t fully getting what a person who is eating that way to mitigate heart disease, or auto-immune disease is saying, and might take it the wrong way.

Maybe an Admin could shift this thread over to the topic @carl just posted about this podcast episode, please?

TTFN from 2 Keto Dudes

I want to address the 2 Keto Dudes fans here as we close a chapter of the 2 Keto Dudes history book and open a new one in 2022. I also posted this on our Facebook page. To summarize what @richard and I expressed in the last episode of 2021, “The Airing of Grievances”: a) We are disappointed in the way that some thought-leaders in the low-carb community have embraced (and perpetuated) conspiracy theories and ignored real science. We believe they have done this to keep their brand relevant in th…

[robintemplin]

@collaroygal, thanks for the reminder. I just signed on to support the forum via Patreon too.

[robintemplin]

[richard]

Thanks

I don’t offer much for the patreon subscription other than keeping the forums up and running and the fancy gold ( or silver ) medal badge that you are flaunting and a bump up to the next trust level on the forum

Very grateful that you and about a dozen other folk are helping me to keep the forum up and hopefully it will outlast me as it has outlasted the podcast.

Richard

[richard]

Robert Malone is not technically a scientist, but in the same definition neither am I … but I’m working towards it. Scientists in general terms are postdoc researchers.

Malone dropped out of the PhD arm of his MD-PhD and just finished off his MD. He’s certainly not a geneticist. He did study in the Salk labs which is one of the 3 or so premier immunology centers in the world so if he had finished his PhD he would be an immunologist.

Malone’s role in the invention of mRNA vaccines is minor, but not insignificant. While doing his graduate study he worked under the direction of Inder Verma (his PhD supervisor) who collaborated with hundreds of the most qualified immunologists in the world, including a dozen Nobel laureates at the Salk Inst.

Malone did one student project, for which he was the leading investigator (ie: was responsible for writing most of the study up) with Phillip Felgner and Inder Verma (who supervised the project and likely came up with - and justified funding for - the project). That was into cationic lipids (lipids with a positive charge) being used in micells to survive the extracellular environment to deliver a payload into a cell. That was not inconsequential to the development of the mRNA vaccine. It’s like discovering a new material for tires on school buses as an intern and then putting in your profile on Google scholar that you invented school buses.

The discovery of mRNA vaccines took hundreds of scientists (and probably thousands of interns doing the bench monkey work). When the Nobel committee is working out who should get the Nobel prize for it they will likely choose biochemist Katalin Karikó and immunologist Drew Weissman who discovered how to modify uridine in RNA to slip past the cells innate defenses to be replicated in our cells.

Robert Malone is doing everything he can to develop his candidacy for the last seat by getting the Q-mob to demand his recognition over about 100 other scientists who had a more significant role. And failing that, by destroying the reputation of mRNA vaccines to poison the chalice for anyone else.

I listened to the whole Rogan interview, and I’d fisk the entire thing point by point to show how he’s beclowning himself but no one would read it.