I am reading the article now…
Brain: Yep, I surely became brain-dead after 120 hours without any carbs long ago. But if I am dead, I can avoid all the carbs I want, I am lucky. Normal people aren’t that lucky - unless they know the very well-know fact that carbs aren’t essential. It’s no secret, it’s everywhere, it’s easy to see, evolution, fasting, science… I saw it on a vegan blog too for heaven’s sake…
IF someone works well more carbs, don’t force it low? I totally agree. I am not among them according to my body. If I eat carbs, that’s for joy or whatever, not because I need it. So leave me alone.
But they do as I don’t have any of the 5 problems. Zero fiber actually works wonderfully (the same as little or much or very much, my body is stubborn at that). But I ate much fiber on my original keto as my high total carbs didn’t interfere with my ketosis so I never cared about that. I don’t know about a higher-plant keto with little fiber, I never did that but I don’t remember stories about ketoers who neglected their fiber and had problems so it can’t be very common…?
Even if someone has constipation, it may be the result of zillion other things.
And well. Lack of carbs GUARANTEES trouble? No, it doesn’t. Many people who do it right don’t have trouble. Are they ignoring both science and lots of experience here? Focusing some bad keto or just their thinking disconnected from reality?
And nope, not everyone gets satiated if they eat much fiber. Fiber does exactly nothing to my satiation, for example. But carbs make me hungry (at least plant carbs but it’s impossible to test).
I know these nice lil ideas about satiation (more fiber, bigger volume, slower carbs, more protein, more and smaller meals…) and they all work nicely for many people… And totally fail for many of us. It’s very very individual. I saw people who only could eat little enough to lose (it’s needed for us normal beings) if they ate sugary fruits. I need carnivore for the same. And some people get satiated based on calories alone (probably not exactly but it’s true on a not insane woe that they actually can do).
If people would just get satiated with volume and fiber to the extent some people imagine, they easily would slim down using huge salads (with some protein in/with it, of course) without more suffering than what eating huge salads can cause… Yep, some of us eat for other reasons than hunger but some people are determined enough to give up those and it’s still not necessarily easy.
What is nature-seeker? I am probably that unless it’s something illogical and I am an ex but huge veggie lover (it stopped quite a few years after I went keto and I totally blame the charming carnivores on this forum. thank you guys :D). I ate them for joy and I had other reasons like we practically always cooked vegetarian food, not for nutrients or something. Though they probably helped until I added meat, now I so don’t need them, in the contrary.
BUT if someone needs them, fine. Just don’t spout bullshit. Even pretty okay things said as general truth are very wrong and even potentially dangerous.
And grains are VERY overrated IMO. I mean, of course they are hailed in this world but it’s still too excessive. Once I almost broke a vegan when I told them I don’t eat grains. They are sacred in the vegan or certain HCLF health conscious (they truly try to do it right, maybe they don’t know it right but they don’t eat crap for joy not caring about their health… and it surely works for some) circles, it seems. And I can’t imagine why. Tradition? But cereal isn’t even a long-term one like bread. But it may be log enough for the currently living folks… Oh well. I can’t and don’t need to understand everything.
It happens, no wonder. A strong addiction tends to preserve itself. Some of us can separate our thinking from our desires/compulsions, some feels better not to…? I don’t know, I am the separator type, mostly. I may ignore my smarter voice here and then but I do fight for the right cause and I prefers harsh truths over pretty lies.
But of course, it’s not so simple. Ketoers are very biased and blind too, quite often. Keto isn’t for everyone and we may need very different styles even on keto. I don’t consider carbs necessarily bad, they clearly works very well for many. And even if low-carb would be better for some of them and they would need to sacrifice too much to gain very very little, it’s a bad deal.
(I personally want the best, healthiest woe for me, I am a good enough hedonist to enjoy the hell out of it - it takes time and training but I can do it. Maybe I leave some tiny extras but only if my body easily handle them. My health is my number one priority as it should. I am baffled why so many people seemingly don’t care about it. I understand not everyone is willing to be as extreme as I am - not like I consider my lazy on/off thing extreme at all but it’s still very extreme for most people - but some steps into the right direction…? No? No, it’s all about short term joy and convenience and compulsions are fine, let’s eat whatever we see and fancy, no matter what. Not smart and not hedonistic. A real hedonist want to enjoy life in the distant future too.)
I noticed that drastically differently eating groups often say the exact same things about their woe. I guess if you cherry pick your infos well enough, you can do it…
You have a point with the heroin metaphor If the bad things only happen in the beginning, who knows if it’s due to the new woe or the last one? My body responded to very low-carb keto drastically differently after high-carb and after low-carb. A very drastic change is often not pleasant. Run or lift (not even very carefully but nothing extreme) after being super sedentary for long…