Would you continue to eat rat poison?

(Brian) #42

No worries. I actually wondered if I should delete mine as well. Not sure it was all that relevant to the conversation anyway… I just saw a question out there hanging and couldn’t pass it by. Maybe i shoulda…

(Ken) #43

Please show me where I asserted or inferred that you or anyone else with your views was “Dumb” or disparaged in any way. My point was that over time, your views can change. I also stated that I had believed the same thing, and it was only by the passage of time within the lipolytic lifestyle, and years of self experimentation, that my views were somewhat mitigated. Obviously I’m a Heretic, or possibly an Apostate to some, but it doesn’t change the fact that within a lipolytic lifestyle you CAN consume limited amounts of carbs and be perfectly fine, as long as types, amounts, and frequency do not cause lipogenic or other detrimental readaptation.

To the anti-carb zealots here, carbs are simply nutrients, and as long as they’re not of a type specifically discordant to your genetics, (e.g. gluten for many, including myself) your body utilizes them like any other nutrient. It’s the degree of consumption and the potential adaptive changes that can possibly happen that counts.

(Ken) #44

Actually, it’s “Meat and Fat and Seasonal Carbs”. That’s why we have the ability to utilize them at all. They were infrequent, but they were there. If they had not been, we’d have lost the ability through Natural Selection to process them. Having said that, it’s clear that Mankind’s primary diet was meat and fat.

(Ron D. Garrett) #45

What the heck are you talking about? Who said that these were poison? These are Keto friendly! Some of you need to get a flipping life and stop arguing for arguments sake. We obviously are taking about process carbs that as Keto people we shouldn’t eat and I postulated that IF someone was in maintenance OR simply if their body was not metabolically damaged that carbs wouldn’t be an issue. I smh at some of you

(Kaiden) #46

If I had a platelet clotting disorder, and was prescribed warfarin, I’d probably take it. Perhaps this is too literal, but this is the question asked.

(Ron D. Garrett) #47

Can we go back to what I ACTUALLY SAID? if you read closely I said that IF carbs were “like” rat poison to the body inferring that like the poison that in some people it could kill them “like” the rat poison. NOWHERE DID I SAY THAT CARBS WERE POISON! I thought that intelligent people would deduce that I was making a point that for the sugar addicted or metabolically damaged that carbs react like poison Iin the body YET I CLEARLY also said that IF one was in “MAINTENANCE’ or was NOT metabolically deranged that carbs may not be an issue.

(bulkbiker) #48

There’s the difference between can and should. I often end up in this discussion with the people with prediabetic HbA1c levels who say … “well yes but I can eat once slice of bread without my blood sugars spiking too much” to which I usually reply … indeed but if you didn’t eat it at all maybe you wouldn’t have a spike at all either. For me I know it is a very slippery slope as carbs trigger all my old bad food habits which I really do want to avoid in future.

(Ashley) #49

I think ken was just stating you can have carbs in limits. And there is some nutrients in carbs, as our body can use them for fuel and break them down. Problem is we got so carb heavy with diet that our body can not handle that. Back before we had all these fried, carb loaded food, people would eat fruits and certain veggies that do have carbs, that can be broken down and digested and used nutritionally. But our SAD diet takes the threshold of how many carbs we should eat and times that by x1000. To each their own. But I can completely understand once your at your goal weight, consuming some carbs more than we do at the current moment before our goal is met. Obviously you wouldn’t go eating a crap ton. But some carbs implemented in can be consumed and used as fuel.

(Felix) #50

Congratulations on your camino! I was just on the camino Portugues this month, love love love it. Ate a few more carbs… now facing down cravings. Not walking 20-30 km per day with a pack and now back to my desk job means no leeway.
I hope you had a wonderful time.

(Ron) #51

I am not sure either but think the question has to be taken in context of the whole post.

" You can even eat totally awesome, spectacularly delicious CRAP that you now consider poison, and it will actually be good for you."

Given this line in the post indicating that sugars, starches and substitutes (subjective to individual definition) can contribute to overall health. I think this raises a big question that needs some form of validation for distinction over conjecture.

(karen) #52

Did you blog about it? Doing C-Portugal is on my bucket list but I’ve been putting it on the back burner every year. Love to read about your experience!

(Felix) #53

I instagrammed it, definitely! Did one week only this May, but the whole thing from Porto to Santiago last Sept-Oct. I highly recommend this trail, if you can swing the airfare/time away. Porto is heavenly, the ocean, gorgeous landscapes, friendly kind people, good food, and not as overwhelmingly busy as the Camino Frances in Spain, which gets now hundreds of thousands of hikers. I would do it a third time, absolutely.

Scroll back a dozen or so posts to get the Portugal camino photos. (Caution, pics of my planned keto-exception: cream tarts (pastel de nata))
@felixbc

(Ron D. Garrett) #54

Same here. It’s what I said for people like us it is like poison but for the ones who are not damaged or in maintenance they can probably have them with no issues

(Ron D. Garrett) #55

That’s why i quoted what I said since I said as much. Even though I lift heavy for two hours or so as a powerlifter when my keto carbs are up past 30 my BG stays up longer so for me I may never be able to eat a higher carb limit consistently but that doesn’t mean that now and then I won’t be able to have them but my health is more important to me than a donut or other carbs. As a former bodybuilder my mindset makes me be able to eat the same things for months as food is simply fuel UNLESS it’s sugar :joy:. Then I go nuts :joy:

(Raj Seth) #56

A+100. I’m with you 100% of the way. Just because I can build up a tolerance to poison - doesn’t mean I’ll I have it. I can survive a flesh wound from a 0.45 slug - doesn’t mean I’m going to shoot my self once a year?!?!?

I’ll just avoid the poison, :pray:

(Ron D. Garrett) #57

Not talking down or calling the rest of us “dumb”, huh?

(Ken) #58

It may take years due to it taking that long for your body to reach Maintenance. It has nothing to do with intelligence. Ron, it’s you with your very emotional reactions that has been talking down to people.

(Ron D. Garrett) #59

If you knew me you wouldn’t be making this assumption that I’m “emotional”. Just because I stress what YOU said doesn’t make me emotional. I simply pointed out what YOU said and how you were wrong as you asserted something in my post that I didn’t say. YOU intimated that I called all carbs poison when I did not. I show emotion when a brother or sister in arms doesn’t make it back home NOT on a public debate sir. This debate has little impact on my life since when one has served with their life on the line daily posts like this don’t make them emotional but that doesn’t mean that I won’t vociferously defend my position when wronged as you did when you mischaracterized what my post meant and what I said. So be blessed. KCKO my keto friend

(Ron D. Garrett) #60

Amen. I thought that my post was clear that carbs are “MUCH LIKE” poison to the diabetic or sugar addicted and if you are “NOT metabolically damaged” OR if you are in “maintenance” do you BUT MY stance is why? But that doesn’t infer Anything but my opinion for myself. Thank you for understanding what I said

#61

Hi Ron,
Your common sense approach is so refreshing! Thank you!!! I intend to copy your post (with your permission please?) and send it to a few friends. Its a WOL/WOE for me…
Best wishes
Ali