Would you continue to eat rat poison?

(Ron D. Garrett) #1

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In a forum that I’m in a person asked if they should go back to eating how they did before Keto once they reached their weight loss goals…my response of course:

“If you found out for years that everytime you went over to someone’s house that they were putting rat poison in your food and it was slowly killing you would you continue to go to that person’s house and eat their food?

It’s no difference with “carbage” as it treats the body overtime much like rat poison would if you ingest it…IT KILLS YOU!

Why go back to the food that is killing you?

I’m not saying that you cannot have some of it from time to time if you are in “maintenance” or if your are not metabolically damaged BUT AGAIN…WHY?

And to address the question “what about having a little bit of what you ate before?”

You wouldn’t suggest that an alcoholic have a little to drink would you?

Well, a huge majority in his forum realize that they got where they are because they were addicted to food, sugar, and or carbs and in that vein having “a donut” could send them back down the road that could kill them. If a person does not have that issue then go for it but again…why?

Lastly, for some people like myself pizza and donuts over time WAS killing me and many others so YES it’s like rat poison to the metabolically damaged and I WAS A BODYBUILDER who knew how to eat

Your HEALTH NOT WEIGHT should be most important since in reality a number on a flipping scale is irrelevant and can go up or down by as much as 10-15lbs due to sodium and water alone AND I’ve found in my research and study that if you take care of the body that weight and body composition normally over time takes care of itself.

Ron “Big Black” Garrett

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(Ken) #2

Easy now Ron,

Sometime in the future, you’ll have lost all you excess weight and have met your health goals. At that time, your body will be able to burn fat and carbs with equal efficiency. As long as you don’t go back to a Carb based pattern, you’ll be able to eat them, and they’ll be beneficial and healthy for you. It’s what I call “Carb Awareness”, and is the key to Maintenance. You can even eat totally awesome, spectacularly delicious CRAP that you now consider poison, and it will actually be good for you. Just not often.

#3

sugar is going to always be poison

(Ron D. Garrett) #4

You obviously didn’t read the whole post or skimmed it because I said that if you hit maintenance then it would be okay but Iid did lose “why?” would one go back to that stuff when it was killing your body and was what got you in the position to have to lose anyway.

Also, I said that for SOME that are “metabolically damaged” that it IS like poison to us since we were slowly being killed and it’s dangerous to make someone especially a newbie that is trying to get off of that road to death to intimate that carbs are okay for them.

This doesn’t mean that we can’t have a donut or whatever but what I did say was that it would not be wise since the diabetics or sugar addicted person’s relationship to carbs has been medically proven to be in the same vein as alcohol is to the alcoholic.

Please read all and then think of the context before writing such a foolish response. I don’t mind ANY comment but when someone has mistaken what I said without easily to read context I will never let that slide by because whether you like it or not for some never going back to carbs is a life saver.

(Ron D. Garrett) #5

Again, for some it is just as addictive as alcohol is to the alcoholic and sugar in many cases is a destructive in the liver as alcohol as it causes non-alcohol related fatty liver and is now reaching epidemic levels. So what I said is that it is LIKE a poison and die some it is just as dangerous as a poison.

(Ron D. Garrett) #6

AND please show me where I said that sugar was a poison? I said that it works in the body like a poison in the vein that for many of us it’s “killing us” nonwjere did I say it WAS a poison.

(Felix) #7

Amen. If a diet makes you ill, why would we ever go back to that diet?
There’s an article in MacLean’s mag (Canada) just out, saying, oh sure, LCHF + keto diets work, but they’re not sustainable, you have to keep eating that way. Somehow the definition of a diet’s success is that you can stop that way of eating, go back to the standard crap diet, and not regain the weight. Why? It’s what’s causing the problem.

I usually compare it to taking arsenic. If an arsenic-free diet makes you feel better, why would you add arsenic back in, just because everyone else thinks it’s “normal”?

#8

I did say it was poison, and will stand by that claim. Things that provide no value and make you sick seem like poison to me.

(Bunny) #9

Even if I do eat the rat poison I know how to get rid of it, just thankful and grateful I have the awareness, intelligence and knowledge to know the difference about what will kill me faster!

(Kirk) #10

Calm down folks. You’re killing my zen chill.

(Ron D. Garrett) #11

That comment was not directed at you! Sorry for the misunderstanding!

(Ron D. Garrett) #12

Umm you don’t have to be here :joy:. Zen on my Keto friend :joy:

(karen) #13

That’s the heart of it for me, and it’s the same for practically everything in our culture: how long / how much do I have to do this new thing before I can go back to exactly what I was doing before. Why the f*** would you expect to be able to go back to exactly what you were doing before, the point of changing your behavior is that what you were doing doesn’t work.

(Ron D. Garrett) #14

Yes!

(Kirk) #15

OK… then. I’m out.

#16

Maybe yes. I see where your argument is coming from, but sorry, I have some points for you to consider. Try to patch them up and adjust a little bit.

  1. I know rat poison kills, but it doesn’t taste good as well. BUT, carbage tastes much better than rat poison, so your argument is not valid when you compare the taste between them. Of course, maybe you are considering those rat poison that attracts the rats to eat and they will find it tasting good, and then it kills them with the poison inside. If it is the case, then it is my argument that is not valid instead.

  2. It is likely that fat is also a poison. As in, carb(especially sugar), a long time existing item, can be proven as a poison in these last few years, and low-fat is proven to be bad after quite a long time of being said to be good: Who can be sure that fat is not going to be proven (again) to be bad in the future?

Of course, I am still trying my best to stay in keto, and eat as keto as possible, since meat and butter taste quite alright, and it is better than rice and sugar in terms of nutrition. (HEH)

(Ken) #17

Ron, (and really everyone else)

Meh, you’ll eventually understand my point. It may take years, but you eventually will. Right now you’re pretty caught up in things, which is fairly normal. It took me a long, long time to ease off and have fun with it.

Call me a nut, but from the title of the thread I thought you were equating carbs to poison…

(karen) #18

Naw, I get what you’re saying. Personally I’m not going to stick with 20 carbs a day for the rest of my life, but I’m learning a whole lot about what my body can handle, and reaping the benefits of extremism for the moment. My post was more toward people who keep asking, “When can it be exactly the same as it was. When can I go back to eating 150 grams of carb for breakfast every day, preferably chocolate donuts. When can I go back to sitting on the couch for weeks at a time. When can I go back to having my usual six pack with dinner.” It feels like the people who whine and wait for “normal” just haven’t learned a thing.

(Jay AM) #19

What benefits do carbs provide that make them beneficial and healthy out of curiosity?

(Karen) #20

I follow our friends that are in maintenance to watch how this works. What would I eat again?? Wheat again… Not likely. Sugar again… Not likely. Starchy veggies, I hope in moderation.

K