Would you continue to eat rat poison?

(Robert C) #21

Hi @Rgbigun!

I think your message is close to the mark but off (only a little)!

The reason, simply because there are many places where lots of people live past 100 years old that have been eating carbs their whole life (Okinawa Japan is a “blue zone” and is not low-carb at all).

Demonizing an entire macro may seem like a good idea but it is too easy for the sugar industry to argue some positive benefits (best to not give them that edge).

But, you are close to on target:

  • Push against adding sugar to foods that never had them (they added them while lowering fat grams for the “low fat” mindset).
  • Push against processed foods - refining allows the body to absorb too quickly and encourages fat storage - even just juicing fruit vs. eating oranges.
  • Push against fat in a food (avocado, ribeye etc.) being a problem or negative.
  • Push against non-foods (Coke, Doritos etc.) being served in schools (did you see Doritos on a restaurant menu lately?).
  • Push against food that is engineered for a long shelf life but short human life.

I can see you are passionate but please, take a big step back and look from a 10,000 foot level.
Can your message be easily ignored or “cancelled out” as too extreme with a couple of counter examples?

If you have the time and fortitude to really make a difference - pick your battles.

Just an idea - hoping to help direct your obvious strong passion.

(John) #22

noun
1.
a substance that is capable of causing the illness or death of a living organism when introduced or absorbed.

(John) #23

This isn’t exactly accurate at all and is hyped all the time by high carb folks. Okinawa HAD significantly better health outcomes than mainlanders, but they also ate 30% fewer carbs. Over the last couple of decades they have swapped their traditional sweet potato for rice and bread and their longevity is plummeting and obesity rates skyrocketing. It is a complex issue and wrong to assume we are all the same or even similar, Japan and other parts of Asia have up to 95% lactose intolerance while America has relatively little. That doesn’t make us better, it just means we have centuries of developing our bodies to work in a certain way, as have they and as have the Masai.

(John) #24

This is just straight up BS. Got some sources on when donuts will be “healthy” for me? Or when it will be “Good” for me. Just because you may get to a point where you can tolerate these things, as I have, does not mean they have any nutritional value whatsoever.

(Ron) #25

I question this line as well. Could you please present some science that potentially validates this statement?

#26

I like what Dr. Sarah Hallberg says, in her Ted Talk, “we have essential amino acids (proteins), essential fatty acids, but, nope, no essential carb.”

(Dan Dan) #27

I hear “Yanny” :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye::crazy_face:

I read (hear) why would you after regaining your health go back to eating food (or in a way) that makes you sick (can kill you)? Others read something totally different?

Is this the " Yanny or Laurel" effect ?

(Ron D. Garrett) #28

You must have only read the title as I did not say that they were a poison but that in the body for many they do what poison does. And your inferences that someone is dumb simply because they hold a different point is ludicrous and shows your lack of class. Blessings anyway KCKO

(Ron D. Garrett) #29

If you put rat poison in something that taste good you obviously don’t taste the rat poison. Didn’t think I’d have to spell that out as it should be inferred. KCKO

(Maz) #30

The “unsustainable” argument is such bollocks isn’t it? Humans sustained very nicely on meat and fat for I don’t know how many thousands upon thousands of years.

(Ron D. Garrett) #31

some of you know what the post is about but you just want to justify eating carbage and seemingly have little in your life to do but to try to draw people into useless arguments. Nothing that you’ve said have or will ever change my mind that it’s poison for me or others who agree and I’ve already postulated that if someone is in maintenance or IF they are NOT metabolically deranged THEN carbs are not a problem is inferred. If that (carbs) is your preference then Bravo!!! Go ahead but the truth is that sugar in many people acts like poison to the body and harms it. This may not fit your narrative so this post ain’t for you. So I bless you and pray that you enjoy the rest of your day! To the ones who took the time to read this and keep it in context thank you whether or not you agreed with it. KCKO

(Ron D. Garrett) #32

Just had that convo with some people. Thank you!

#33

I am starting a fast tomorrow, partly to help quit eating almond meal cake. I started eating limited carbs (spuds, chips, bread, almond cake) while walking the Camino, which I finished last month. I have continued having the odd carb and eating 50+ g carbs per day. Today I felt actually jittery. It is time to stop eating treats and KCKO. Yes, for me sugar and carbs are addictive, but so too whole food is quite satisfying.

I hope a short fast will help me ditch the past few weeks of eating a slightly higher carb diet.

:face_with_raised_eyebrow:

(Karen) #34

I read the article and they have 69% of their diet as sweet potato. Wow!
Maybe there’s some hope for future starch…but not yet.

K

(Chris) #35

Yup. The Okinawans also ate more meat than anyone in Japan at the time. And their health was decimated in a single generation by introducing processed Western foods.

(Karen) #36

Looked like less meat, less fish, less eggs, less dairy in the article.

Kind of sweet potatotarians.:wink:

K

(Brian) #37

Sometimes when people go keto, they find that their consumption of foods containing sodium, potassium and magnesium are reduced. That’s not to say a person can’t get what they need eating keto, but it is fairly common for people to have to work out their intake levels of at least one of these three at least in the beginning.

There are a good number of carby foods such as potatoes and bananas that have significant levels of potassium in them. There is an ingrained thinking that salt is evil in our “modern medicine” so sodium is sometimes lacking when we go keto and still don’t use much salt. Lots of people are deficient in magnesium whether on keto or not.

Some carbs do contain things that we need for our bodies to run smoothly and efficiently. I’m not saying we need to eat lots of carbs. But I do think it’s important to get our nutrition. If we don’t get our nutrition from carby foods, we do need to get it somewhere. There are keto sources of potassium and magnesium, and sodium is pretty easy to come by when we’re no longer afraid of the salt shaker.

There are some carbs in things like spinach and avocado, which are quite keto friendly, that provide a good dose of potassium. Swiss chard, along with the spinach can provide a good dose of magnesium as will a number of nuts and seeds, again, with a few carbs, but mostly very keto friendly.

I may be barking up the wrong tree and may have misunderstood your question, I’m not sure. And I may be preaching to the choir. (?) Didn’t mean to do that as this is probably already stuff you know…

I just noticed no one actually addressed your question, unless I missed that too. :confused:

(Brian) #39

How much more specific do you want me to be? I already mentioned potassium and magnesium being two things that are often found in carby foods that can be issues with people going keto.

I also added that it is possible to get those things on a keto (read that “low carb”) diet. It may even be possible to get those things on a zero carb diet.

If you’re trying to say that some carby foods do not contain potassium, for instance, I’m not sure quite where you’re going. Potatoes and bananas do. But I’m not advocating anyone start eating potatoes and bananas. I’m saying that people need to get their potassium. Make it keto, make it low carb, make it zero carb if you want, just get your potassium.

Once again, I guess I didn’t say it right. :frowning:

(Robert C) #40

Kimchi is not rat poison mixed with probiotics.
Broccoli is not sulforaphane (a seemingly anti-cancer compound) and fiber mixed with rat poison.
Neither kimchi nor broccoli was formulated by “big sugar” to enhance addictive properties and neither should (in my opinion) be categorized as poison due to non-zero carb content.

Again, I think a “pick your battle” approach here is appropriate.

  • Why should soda pop be available to our youth?
  • Why should fruit juice (processed for a 24-month shelf life so essentially just like a flat soda) be available to our youth?
  • Why are Doritos considered to be a food?
  • Why are avocados considered fattening?
  • Why are seed oils - that we never could have consumed in our history - okay, even though it takes very strange processes to create them?

Again, picking on carbs isn’t the best bet here. Picking on carbs intentionally turned into addictive substances seems to make much more sense. Picking on advertising that shames all non-low-fat foods - regardless of best overall health value - also seems to make sense.

(Chris) #41

I don’t think I read you right, I’m deleting my comment my dude.