Don’t for get…
Keto and cancer…keto and hair growth…keto and just about any hormone imbalance.
Without Carbs you will die. Sugar is an essential nutrient. You need 53 essential nutrients
Robert_Johnson
(Consensus is Politics)
#144
The was a line in a stand up routine I remember from the 80’s.
“Somewhere in the world is the worlds worst doctor… the scary part is… someone has an appointment with him!”
Bellyman
(Brian)
#146
I’ve had a couple of times when I’ve gotten those “twinges”. I almost immediately would hit the lemon juice and the ACV. So far, they’ve never lasted more than a few hours to maybe a day.
I did have one time a few years ago when I thought maybe I was having back spasms that I kinda wonder if I may have had a kidney stone. Whatever it was, it was pretty rough and lasted several days. I had no trouble going #1, though, so maybe it really was back spasms.
Either way, the extra lemon juice and ACV don’t seem to hurt anything. I’ll think of it as my insurance policy since I really do like especially lemon juice on an ongoing basis. Don’t know if it works as a get-out-of-kidneystone-hell-free card or not. (?)
Regina
(Empress of the Unexpected)
#147
As my mother-in-law would say, “You have to tell the doctor what is wrong with you, and how to fix it!”
Regina
(Empress of the Unexpected)
#148
I get upset when otherwise rational people just do what the doctor says. My neighbor is now on about five medications. She says, well, my thyroid is off. And all she got was a TSH test? Bad doctor, bad doctor. She smokes, won’t exercise, eat well, etc., but keeps going to the doctor, and getting more medications. Why? I tend to get in doctor’s faces, which really throws them off. I’ve always been like that. Her husband is pre-diabetic, and I walked in and he was eating fruit yoghurt. I’m terrible, I haven’t been to my new doctor in a year and a half, and before that I was doctor free for five years. Last time I was in I had high trigs and the recommendation was a low fat diet. Can’t wait to see the look on my doctor’s face. I somewhat blame consumers, sorry.
Alecmcq
(Alec)
#149
My strategy is, if anything goes wrong with me, I rock up to the dr so they can diagnose. In my opinion, in general, drs are not bad at diagnosis, ie telling me what’s wrong/what’s happening to my body.
If they want me on any type of pill or potion, I would normally agree, go get the meds from the chemist/drugstore, but when I get home i am all over the internet researching exactly what the dr has said i’ve got, and the pros/cons of the meds he’s given me. Before I take ANY meds I get fully researched up on what they are and what they are going to do and how they work.
Half the time I end up not taking the meds, and finding much better solutions than the dr prescribed.
Lorenna
(Carol D)
#150
Shallimar: Your neighbor may well be pre-diabetic if the wrong labs were done. There is a stage before the system breaks down further where one eats a lot of carbs, blood sugar spikes, but the body can make and use enough insulin to bring the blood sugars down. During this, the body becomes more and more insulin resistant until you enter the more obvious pre-diabetic state. It would be very worthwhile to check insulin levels rather than the more common tests for blood sugar levels. Chances are its only a matter of time before his system breaks down. I don’t have any blood test markers in my normal labs that show pre-diabetes, but its obvious to me that decades of being morbidly obese have been pushing me that way and I am so glad to be controlling my blood sugars, resting my insulin production and losing weight!
JohnC
(John Collyer)
#151
When I was having blood taken at a kidney transplant outpatient clinic, I mentioned to the nurse that I was pleased to hear that her hospital had removed sugary drinks from its vending machines. She disagreed because she could no longer get a sugar rush to keep her going on long shifts. She was not a slim nurse. I don’t blame her for lack of understanding. Nurses are clever enough to understand nutrition if given appropriate training and encouraged to refresh it in their continuing professional development.
adam80
(Adam Letschin)
#152
The crazy thing is that out of all the ingredients you mentioned it’s the bacon we were taught to avoid but in reality it is far and away the best…
Robert_Johnson
(Consensus is Politics)
#154
Update on my lack of kidney stones. Still lacking. Anyone else have broken kidneys from doing keto and can’t produce anymore stones?
@keehan whats your doc think about it now? Is he still pushing the Dash?
keehan
(A ham loving ham! - VA6KD)
#155
Yep…keto totally ruined my doc’s kid’s college fund.
He sticks his fingers in his ears when I say keto though. 
Momof5
(Susan)
#156
That Rocky dog is awesome, what a hero, wow! The coolest dog, ever…=).
I was a major sugar maniac before Keto, now I am not bothered at all when people around me are eating it. I always know I can have one of my Keto Fat Bombs if I crave something sweet.
I have a bag of frozen raspberries in the freezer, and often I find eating even 2 of them makes me feel like I am having a treat, like grabbing some candy in my pre-Keto days =).
That neighbour is so rude and ignorant though, people should be more encouraging, and be like “wow, you are doing great” even if they don’t want to try the Keto lifestyle for themselves, they should not be so horrid to others who are in it… makes me angry.
Alecmcq
(Alec)
#157
I have been thinking about why people react like they did to the OP, cos I find this really interesting. Some ramblings…
We are showing them something that is 100% the reverse of what they KNOW to be true: what they have been told again and again and again by people who they trust (like doctors, dieticians and magazine article authors!).
What we are saying cannot possibly be true because we are the only people saying it. All the people who really know about this (doctors, dieticians, magazines) all say that fat is bad. How can you possibly eat all that fat? Fat is BAD for you…
What we eat is not balanced… it is just plain common sense to eat a balanced diet.
You don’t eat fruit and vegetables??? This is INCONCEIVABLE! (@MooBoom, @ruina, see I am learning! 
). Fruit and veg is the basis of a balanced diet, it is what everyone tells us. How can you possibly think fruit is bad for you? Someone told me that fruit was bad 4 years ago (very pre-keto), and I thought they were utterly mad. So I was on the other side of the fence. I was 100% convinced I was right. I thought they were barking mad. I think I was even angry that they said this… 
We really don’t like it when something we know to be true is attacked as wrong. It creates all sorts of mental confusions. It is just plain uncomfortable.
There are also some people who just don’t like being told something that they disagree with. They think it is their moral obligation or right to put the other person right. And diet seems to be particularly bad for this. It is a secular religion. Get 3 vegans and 3 carnivores in a room, mention best ways of eating and stand back… has anyone ever done this?
atomicspacebunny
(Bunny)
#158
Hmmm! That would be more like a pay per view WWE cage fight…lol
From both saturated fat and resistant starch your going to get butyric acid and fiber (cellulose etc.) from fruit, seeds and vegetables when eaten in small quantities…
But grains and processed sugars (onset of agriculture) that’s another which means an enlarged (in diameter) inflamed puffed up intestinal tract? (I want to get more into that in a future post)
When you eat something baked it turns back into dough and then it gets fermented (wait for the dough to rise?) and expands while phytic acids block the absorption minerals so you can’t digest them as it makes its way through your intestinal tract along with the nutrients until it exits and takes it with it. I suppose phytates has its purpose to make sure we don’t absorb all the toxins in things also?
And here we have my dinner…just joking but I really like the picture; but that’s how I (should always) really eat. I would add raw eggs to that picture!
The “True” Human Diet: “…Sarah Palin, who wrote in Going Rogue: An American Life, “If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?” Have a look at Genesis 9:3—“Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you.” …” Note: processed grains and sugar are not alive? (a living natural organic thing vs. simple carbohydrates or empty calories?)
Here we have the beginning Neolithic tell tale signs and impact of agriculture and gluten on tooth decay!
