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(Bunny) #21

Apparently your neighbor does not know what gluconeogensis is? And that your liver will make glucose for your brain if it really needs it and wants a break from the ketones the brain is using as fuel/energy besides the glycogen stored in the muscle tissue from glucose!

If you don’t eat fat then you cannot get enough of the cholesterol the body needs to manufacture the hormones (HGH {high levels of glucose\sugar blocks it}, DHEA, Testosterone etc.) needed for the oxidative breakdown of fat stored in/on the body!

When you stop eating fat, your body does not know what to do and furthermore will do nothing (entropy) in the presence of high glucose including the insulin spiking by the glucose itself? :thinking:

It can be a vicious vacillating circle if you don’t know what’s going on!


#23

In all fairness Bunny, I didn’t know what the heck that was until recently! :laughing:

Really, people just have no idea because they’ve been fed a load of bull for so long. After all, I thought I was doing everything right by eating “healthy” for so many years.


(Brian) #24

Felix, maybe when your friends are sick and are at a point where their own health is in serious enough jeopardy that they’ll have one of those “come to Jesus” moments, maybe they’ll remember enough of what you were trying to tell them and enough of your example to at least go check it out… when they’re ready.

When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.


#26

Where I work, the women - all post menopausal and in their 60’s- are all lean or barely overweight and are all on a variety of medications. All on statins, most on antihypertensives, the majority on meds for IBS, add in sleep aids and thyroid meds. I am the only person who does not practice that sort of medicine. I frequently share with them what I consider healthful healing.

I have recently shared ketogenics given that I have been so for close to 1 1/2 years and my weight loss was questioned. First, whether it was intentional, which was actually a breath of fresh air given if one is obese surely you want to lose weight. Next I was asked how I was losing my weight. All of them are happy for me losing weight, because really (sarcasm here) shouldn’t all obese people want to lose weight? So, while they will listen politely to the density of the information I share and patiently answer their questions, it is really only good for me not them. They would never dare challenge the MD’s that treat them.

And everyday for the past 5 months one of them asks me if I want fruit, bagels, chocolate, chips, or candy at least once a day. I don’t have to say no, they immediately respond to my face with “oh, that’s right you’re on that diet thing”. For Christmas I was given a 2 pound box of truffles…

I’m grateful and I’m tired.


(Michele) #27

There is a horrible irony in that statement :frowning: Lets reward ourselves for beating up on weird keto lady by going and eating the killer diet!


#28

Tell your neighbor they’re 100% correct and give them all of your sugary snacks and drinks. Also, any you receive as gifts also give them to your neighbor. Once your neighbor is super obese and can no longer leave the house, you won’t have to deal with their bullshit any longer. You should be a good neighbor and make lots of cake with extra icing as a gift to speed up the process.


(Consensus is Politics) #29

Truffles?? The good kind? Or the poisonous kind?

By that I’m asking the kind the pigs locate in the woods, or the kind Pigs make and sell?


(Consensus is Politics) #30

:unamused::disappointed::pensive::persevere::confounded::tired_face::cry::sob:


(Tim W) #31

You don’t need to be good at science argument as long as you keep setting the good example and be ready when one of them peels off the herd and comes to you asking how to achieve the same success you’ve done.

I’ve learned not to mention fasting, to say something like “we eat low sugar, low carb, lots of whole foods, kind of like a paleo diet”. Then, when they get a few weeks into the WOE, we bring up IF, long fasts, and the more “advanced” tools of the WOE. Just be ready, your success will be the proof you need. You’ll be the change you wanted to see in the world, how powerful is that?

Same thing happened to me for about a few months, EVERY ONE around me eating out daily, bringing desserts on a non-stop basis, sucking down sugar drinks like their lives depended on it. Being in the military and outranking 99% of those I worked with, I finally threatened to start punishing anyone offering me the crap, I know they were only trying to be nice but when I’ve turned that stuff down more than a couple of times, and you know I don’t eat it, continuing to ask is passive aggressive harassment, trying to pull you back into the herd, down to their level.

Have you considered being a asshole about it? Getting them all together and putting them on notice, “next one you to offer me something you KNOW I don’t eat is gonna get an ass whopping!”…

I know that’s not everyone’s style but your gonna have to do something to put an end to the passive aggressiveness of it. Most likely, your office doesn’t support open conflict like that and I’d be willing to bet many things are dealt with in a passive aggressive manner, that’s frustrating.


(Consensus is Politics) #32

The parallels between finding Keto and becoming a born again Christian are undeniable (for me anyway). When I became a Christian some 30ish years ago, I couldn’t stop talking about it. Indeed, I was the guy at work that people would call a Bible thumper. Although that’s an oversimplification of how it was. I didn’t go proselytizing, but if the subject came up, I was all in. I hated misinformation. Even way before that. When I was a kid I would correct obvious (to me) misstatements. Yep, I was an annoying kid for sure.

So when I re-discovered Keto, and my diabetes began to get better faster than I could even imagine, I couldn’t stop talking about it. Gas stations, grocery stores, even in World of Warcraft (an online game with millions playing it worldwide at any given time), if I was asked how I was doing, I would give a brief description of getting diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes, and how I gave up on what the docs and nutritionists wanted me to do, and how I am no longer at risk of the disease, basically cured myself without the doctors help. One of two things happen after I tell them how I did it. Either they say, “oh, glad you found something that works for you”. Which to me, was the same thing as knocking on the door, to share the word about Christ (yes, I’m one of those :cowboy_hat_face: ) and being told, “oh, we go to church on Easter, thank you, good bye, go away please”. More politely than other times :wink:! Or, they say, “Really?!? You’re kidding?? Can that really work? How? What? Why? Just like bringing the Word out. Most people don’t want to hear it. But when those that are ready hear it, they can’t get enough.

Another similarity is conversations in the work place. The USAF wasn’t as bad as say the Navy (using a stereotype here) for language. But it was bad. I would walk into the room, and it would get quiet. The talk would get cleaned up, most of the time, because they knew I was a Christian.

And I read here already where someone gets offered some sweets and then the offerer recoils back and says, “oops, sorry, you are one of those” :roll_eyes:


#33

@infromsea
Tim you are refreshing! I do work/live in a culture that has a great deal of passive aggressive style:) I am a transplant, which you probably know about being military. I am known as the out-spoken one. When I do clinical consultation the feedback I get is often “you said THAT?”. I want to thank you for the nudge. While I can’t stop someone else’s PA behavior I can certainly make it uncomfortable:)


#34

You make me smile.


(ianrobo) #35

I read the horror stories above and luckily from work colleagues and others I get none of this, the most questioning I have had is from a cardiologist (mentioned him on other threads ) and he kinda got it and Vegans …

All I do is to show my bloods, the photo’s etc and let the truth speak and yes that sounds quasi religious, it can be but I have the proof to show people and slowly people get it …

Up to them if they take it on but even my very sceptical wife has stopped bread but in her words ‘can never give up pasta’ in itself that is an admission carbs/sugar are addictive !


(Darlene Horsley) #36

It saddens me to see or read about people who cannot seem to celebrate others accomplishments, goals and or dreams. It is not restricted to Keto! Why is it that the human population always looks for ways to tear it down instead of building it up?


(Sophie) #37

I agree. It’s very petty, isn’t it.


(Tim W) #38

I think it’s part of our “software”. Our genes are for one purpose, to ensure we continue to pass them along, anything and everything that might get in the way of that, we question, argue, and fight against, often with zero clue of why we are so opposed.

In this case, the OP is healthier than the others in the office, they recognize that, even if it’s subconscious, they can probably sense better health through clear skin, shinny hair, whatever, it’s most likely not at a conscious level.

So, their reptile brains are threatened. Another member of the gene pool is in better health, therefore has a better chance to pass along genetic material, so, we must try to bring them down to our level (via snipping and passive aggressive mechanisms since we are “civilized” and we fight in this manner rather than just butting our heads like other species…).

If you can keep everyone around you at a lower level of performance/health/wealth/whatever, then you reduce competition.

Once again 98% of this is happening in the subconscious and yes, I am series. Once you’ve read enough/studied human behavior/psychology
enough, it’s as clear as the nose on my face. (I have a big nose…)

You are welcome and I hope that you do start to “fire back” at them, in some manner. I wash dishes at my local VFW just to get out of the house and interact with people. The cook is a 70 year old wonder woman whom I’ve grown very fond of, but she constantly wants to feed me. I told her I was carb sensitive and just couldn’t eat 90% of what most people eat. She backed off and since then, has taken that into account. Maybe sitting your co-workers down and just explaining that sugar/carbs could put your health at risk so you’d appreciate it if they stopped with the “good natured” offers? (Though we know it’s not good natured…) If, after you make the situation clear, they persist, then it’s face punching time (metaphorically!).

Best of luck!

I was thinking on your post and I realized that the parallels between keto/eating healthy/living clean and financial fitness are similar as well. Not to devalue your POV, just to say that there are many corollaries between this WOE and other mental models that a large part of our society do not use/embrace/live by. I’ve often felt that having the self control to either control your diet/finances/anger/attitude/time often creates benefits in other areas of our lives. Once we get our finances “under control” (say by not eating out daily) we can use that same skill set to improve other areas of our lives. Improve enough areas and bamn, you are doing great, threatening the gene pool on many levels!

Great post RJ, I hope you have a good day.


#39

I heard an interesting conversation with Melissa Hartwig (one of the Whole30 founders) who said that at first she didn’t understand when folks were so resistant to just trying to shift their eating in case it could help with a particular condition. It seems like a no-brainer: trying something for a short period of time - something that has clearly helped others with similar conditions - seems at least worth a shot. But she said she realized that if folks accepted that something might improve by changing their eating, the implication for them was that they caused the situation they were currently in, and that was too much guilt to handle.
My guess is that some of this tearing down of others has to do with that: it’s a wholesale rejection of the idea that what we put in our mouths actually affects our health, because the guilt of accepting that might be too much to handle.

[They then went on to have a really interesting conversation about guilt and responsibility…]


(Robert Pickel) #40

Yeah, I’ve come to see that “diets” can be as divisive and personally invested as politics and religion. There are some really nasty video encounters online between “expert” proponents of low-carb vs low-fat dieting. Amazing, isn’t it?


(CharleyD) #41

Those bastards at the Walmart meat and produce sections have me over a barrel, now! Curses! Stab my eyes!


(Carolus Holman) #42

His point was that since the liver makes sugar for your body, you need to eat sugar to help your liver. This is the same thinking as eating fat will make you fat, or eating Bull Testicles will make you virile. Pure nonsense.