Will meds stop autophagy during EF water fast

#1

I am nearing the end of a four-day fast and am now just wondering if my regular heart medications are thwarting my water-only fast. Hope not, would hate to waste all that autophagy.

I had a heart attack 15 years ago and take a beta blocker to keep my heart rate down, an antiarhythmia tablet to calm my extra beats, a full-stength aspirin and a half a cholesterol pill that I do eliminate during EF.

If these three meds are knocking me out of autophagy then I may just concentrate on fat loss instead. If so I could then limit my fasts to 48 hours and include minimal fat.

I also take a fistful of supplements on non fasting days.

The more I learn about fasting, it seems the more obstacles I find. Heck, today I found out my toothpaste (Colgate Sensitive) has sorbitol (a sugar alcohol).

(Karen) #2

I guess I wouldn’t fret about toothpaste. I swallow so very little. And you can always rinse your mouth well.

K

(Omar) #3

I think you are the best to answer the question.

I found that while there is general bio mechanisms that can be applied to all humans, there is still big room for individuality.

If I talk about my self I found that many constructive pathways are very fragile and like if they want to find a reason to terminate including ketosis and digestion.

whatever answer people give you, you may want to experement and observe.

#4

I am also very cautious about what I ingest during fasts (water and electrolytes). If I need to take meds during a fast I will research the inactive ingredients, including the capsule and they are usually fine. I believe Dr. Fung or Megan Ramos said that items under 50 calories shouldn’t stop autophagy during fasting.

#5

This is usually the best option, but it is very hard to gauge autophagy. How do you do that?

(Omar) #6

Not only me can not answer the question even scientists can not answer the question. The whole autophagy science is immature.

but common sense and hypothesis can be used. the first question is what is autophagy supposed to accomplish.

“eat thy self”

what happens when garbage collection of dead cells, sick cells, and damaged metochonderial damaged DNA is recycled.

we become more efficient and our metabolism improve.

in short If I can not cash autophagy then it is a useless thing.

(Eric - The patient needs to be patient!) #7

This is an interesting question. I take heart medicine and other supplements in the evening and morning including a beta blocker and aspirin, multiple BP meds etc. I’ve had bypass surgery and have a stent.

I’m just now learning how to fast. Starting a OMAD fast today after Breakfast. I take my heart meds and BP meds during fasting but I stop aspirin and supplements. When I get to longer fasts I will skip every other aspirin. My blood is so thin now that I can do that at least for a couple of days.

I don’t know how to tell if autophagy is turned on or not. Wish there was a way to do that.

I’m thinking about brushing my teeth on fast days with baking soda.

It’s a journey isn’t it?

(Bob M) #8

You might consider stopping aspirin altogether:

https://lowcarbcardiologist.com/is-aspirin-dangerous/#.W8i1qvlRfz4

My cardiologist recommended I take a baby aspirin years ago, and I did research, and decided not to take it. I found research indicating the detriments outweighed the benefits. And the research has only gotten worse since then.

(Eric - The patient needs to be patient!) #9

thanks - and that from a cardiologist. My cardiologist is about to retire. I’m looking for a new, younger one that has a different view of the standards of care.