What is the best diet for humans?

(Dameon Welch-Abernathy) #1

Nice reminder that there is no one diet that will work for every human.
However, there’s a good way to find out what will work for you here :slight_smile:

(Steve) #2

There’s no access to the data.
Their project page: http://newsite.personalnutrition.org
The institute it’s associated with: http://www.weizmann.ac.il/pages/home/algorithm-diet

The problem (and suspicion) that I have with something saying “no food is bad” is that it could be funded by the entities that know for certain that specific foods ARE bad for virtually everyone. By creating chaos (line noise), it makes it confusing for a lot of people, so they have a far more difficult time finding the truth.

(Rob) #3

Oh the range of emotions as I watched this…

Initially - very skeptical - the title is classic click-bait
Then - duh - food impacts depend on many factors - genetics, lifestyle, etc.
Then - respect - did a reasonable clinical trial using a good comparable factor (BG)
Then - meh - cherry picked a good example to suggest he has magic sauce
Finally - double meh - sounds like he is selling something…

He is…
https://www.amazon.com/Personalized-Diet-Pioneering-Program-Prevent/dp/1478918802/ref=sr_1_2/135-0101489-5092570?ie=UTF8&qid=1524949032&sr=8-2&keywords=the+personalized+diet

In the end we are all doing what he talks about - we are all n=1. Does he have the sauce to predict what experiments will work? Maybe, maybe not. By not demonstrating an understanding of the mechanisms that are truly at work (e.g. the hormonal changes), his analysis is a little superficial in terms of delivering health per se, vs. at best delivering reasonable BG levels.

Someone will have to buy his book to evaluate further… (puts finger to side of nose)… not me!

(Dameon Welch-Abernathy) #4

Anytime someone mentions “artificial intelligence” you should definitely check your bullshit meter :slight_smile:
Even so, a broken clock is sometimes right.
The positives I took away from this:

  • What works for me may not work for you
  • Use a blood glucose meter to test to see what does

Which, I suspect everyone here already knows :slight_smile:

(Steve) #5

You don’t think hundreds (possibly thousands) of groups are building AI’s today, or what’s that comment to mean?

(Dameon Welch-Abernathy) #6

In the industry that I’m in (Information Security), “AI” or “Machine Learning” are terms that are tossed around quite liberally in vendor marketing.
That isn’t to say AI or Machine Learning don’t have value, but the value isn’t nearly as great as the marketing would lead you to believe.

(Steve) #7

Ok. Yeah, it’s entirely possible that they were just leveraging some business intelligence apps and didn’t even utilize an AI.

I work in tech as well…marketing speak is usually without value (if not outright lies).

(bulkbiker) #8

only usually?

(Steve) #9

Heh…be nice…there could be people here that work in marketing. :slight_smile:

(Dameon Welch-Abernathy) #10

I actually work in marketing :stuck_out_tongue:
And yes, I understand that a lot of marketing is more hype than fact.
I try to stick to the facts :slight_smile:

(bulkbiker) #11

So there’s at least one honest one! Well done you.

(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman ) #12

If they suggest that omega-6 seed and veg oils, refined sugar and refined flour are part of anyone’s healthy diet, they were bought. Paleo, Keto, Med, “Plant based” all agree.

(Karen) #13

I Put a hold on book at the local library.

K

(Steve) #14

Heh…I was just going to comment - anyone want to see what a “fad” this Ketogenic diet is - if your library is like the 3 that I’m signed up with - not a single Keto e-book is in stock. All are signed out with an extensive hold list.

Yeah…this is a “fringe” diet. :wink:

(Brian) #15

Interesting.

When I first saw the title, I didn’t even want to watch it. I figured it would be another “vegan or die, killing a thousand innocent lives along with your own” video.

My take-away message… N=1. I can definitely respect that.

(Fernando Urias) #16

Looks like Eran Segal looked at gut bacteria and DNA but he missed insulin levels. If you are measuring glucose only, you are ignoring the effect of insulin in lowering it. A person with a very good insulin response, for example, a young person, will show a very good glucose profile but this will not save her/him from getting diabetes in a few years. For a better conclusion on the insulin/glucose relationship, from using an experiment of n=1 to save his life, read Dr. Richard K Bernstein’s “Diabetes Solution”. He concluded that everybody, not only diabetic people, should not eat more than 30 grams of carbohydrates per day for life. There are so many bad TedTalks on nutrition that I stopped looking at them. The only ones I would recommend are Dr. Sarah Hallberg’s and Dr, Bert Herring’s. I have to admit that I went through all 2 Ketodudes podcasts (more than 100 hours in 2ketodudes.com/archives.aspx). They have done a great job of getting the right experts in a single place.

(Dameon Welch-Abernathy) #17

While I 100% agree we should focus on insulin (the real problem) versus blood glucose:

  • How many of us can measure our blood glucose with over-the-counter products? All of us.
  • How many of us can measure our insulin levels on even a daily basis, much less multiple times a day? As far as I know, no such products exist, particularly ones that can be acquired over the counter.

Blood glucose is not a perfect proxy, no doubt.
Is there a better one?

With a bit of knowledge about how insulin works and a blood glucose monitor, we can do what Dr. Bernstein did–figure out what works for us.

(Karen) #18

.:cherry_blossom::sunflower::rose::tulip:

(Fernando Urias) #19

I cannot do what Dr. Bernstein did because he is a Type 1 diabetic with zero insulin production. He was an ideal subject to test different foods and he arrived at the conclusion of no more than 30 grams of carbohydrate per day for life. If I tested different foods in myself, I would not be able to discount the effect of my insulin production. Since I have been in a low carbohydrate diet for 20 years, my insulin response is very good. I can take a relatively high carbohydrate meal, when I am in a social setting, pretending that I am normal, and be back in ketosis is one day. My normal day guideline is Dr. Bernstein’s 30 grams per day. No more than 6 grams for breakfast, and no more than 12 grams for lunch or dinner.