What happened with Jimmy Moore at the weekend?

[gardengirlkp]

I see Jimmy Moore as a community “connector”. He has the social connectors to key players in the field. That brings immense value to the community so that key social and science work can move forward faster, to help more people.

That being said, as a lay person who had 40 years of prior obese, overweight and binge eating, I need to take my key and core advise at a personal level 1:1 from others who were obese as children and are long term weight maintainers >2 years due to weight maintenance requirements and the stone cold data facts that somewhere between 2-40% of folks relapse.

Here’s my 2 cents and soap box-IMO.
We are smart people with almost too much advice paired without the optimal level of critical thinking, lab testing, targeted group support, and science. The Art and Science of Weight Maintenance is still developing. Me included 5.5 years out.

It’s truly my hope that we can grow more individuals and groups based around Weight Maintenance and LCHF/Keto. Surely I’m not the only one who doesn’t have health when they don’t have a normal range BMI.

A good part of it has to do with my genetics (FTO/TD2 and ghrelin genes ) , height (being short) and what I consider food addiction. My joints ache and I’m in tears when I regain. I deserve better.

Here’s to focusing on the strengths we all bring to the community and to leaving the differences behind us. Jimmy brings connection to the community. That’s valuable. Growth requires change. We can expect to see experts connect and disconnect based on many factors. Needs, key learning changes, new research, new connections, better fits within the community.

I started in 2011, late and have totally changed up who I learn from and who I had to stop following because I would start to binge eat, even in this community. We can and will learn and grow. Bring the social Art. Bring grace and social intelligence.

Take what works, move along until the whole puzzle fits for you. Be ready to change up- this group or individuals.

When you lose weight and maintain you will become much hated by most, loved by a few. Weird but true. Nobody wants to hear what worked or do the work or accept your answer may be 5-10 years down the road.

[Saphire]

I have never listened to fasting talk but like Keto Talk. I like Jimmy and even though I am a very cut and dried person, I find him easy to listen to when I am driving. He has a professionalism that keeps the discussion lively but informative.

Was recently driving and was listening to another podcast by two science people (not Megan or Jason) whose writing I find fascinating. Listening talk to each other I almost fell asleep on the road! If Jimmy had hosted them it would have been much more listener friendly.

Also, I think he has a specific role when co hosting with a physician, to encourage the expert to stop and explain the science to people who have never heard of a Fodmap or vLDL. I am sure when he says, what is that it is not because he does not know but because he needs to slow the geek train in a way people can understand

[Mike_W_Ellwood]

I am sure when he says, what is that it is not because he does not know but because he needs to slow the geek train in a way people can understand

I agree with this, and in reply to another poster, I never found even his older podcasts or blog posts amateurish. And clearly he put a lot of time into them, and would have found it hard to hold down a full-time job as well, so advertising was a must. Even the saintly Chris Masterjohn advertises these days, and no one much criticises him.

[ianrobo]

oh I do, he is very dry and frankly boring to listen to and now he has started to quote studies and we know what to think of them !

I like Jimmy a lot and his relationship with Will on Keto Talk took a while to get used to but now works better.

[David]

I am on the “I listen to Jimmy Moore podcasts in spite of him not because of him” wagon. I haven’t listened to Keto Talk since Doc Muscles left, not because he left but because I haven’t listened to any podcasts in a while.

[richard]

31 posts were split to a new topic: This week’s LLVLC episode with Mark Sisson

[PaulL]

Jimmy’s personality has never worked for me. I respect him, but don’t particularly care to listen to him, and have no idea why. It’s just one of those things. But I’m sorry that things didn’t work out between him and Dr. Fung and Megan Ramos. The keto world is small enough that I hate to see any of us in conflict. I hope they can at least stay friends, whatever it was that actually happened.

[Hermione]

Well the only thing that stands out for me there is that Dr Fung is now booking new consults for 2020. If anyone can wait that long then by what definition could they need a Dr? Remind me of the old GP’s surgery joke I read a few years ago, where a receptionist offers a patient an appointment for two weeks time. The patient objects “but I’ll be better by then!”

I often think that for someone who clearly has such problems with food and weight, Jimmy Moore might do well not have a job where the focus is so much on food. Really, with the sort of problems he faces, you need to do something where you’re not thinking and talking about food all the time. In fact, though I didn’t care for it so much, he would do well to listen to the recent ketodudes podcast about the problems that women have in losing weight. Journal, journal, journal!

[clackley]

I would suggest that Dr Fung’s bookings (so far into the future) are because there are so many people that are desperate to lose weight and get control of their metabolic disease. They are holding out hope that his program will help them. Lots of people seem not to be able to do it on their own. Maybe because it is vehemently opposed by the medical establishment and society in general.

I have not listened to the most recent ketodudes so not sure what the 'journal, journal, journal comment means. Perhaps you would be kind enough to elaborate?

[Hermione]

Why not listen to the podcast?

[clackley]

I apparently have listened to all the podcasts so I guess I don’t know which one you are referring to and what the ‘journal’ reference is. Perhaps you could name the podcast?

[marklifestyle]

not sure what the 'journal, journal, journal comment means

I believe it is simply to keep a food log. Jimmy was commenting recently with Mark Sisson that he was stalled and Mark tried to help him break Jimmy’s stall. Jimmy just eats Keto but does not log.

This is excellent advice and my experience. When I don’t feel right or I don’t achieve the results I think I should have the best place to start is not to change a thing and log for a week or two. Discovered too much xylitol in me makes a difference. Likely the insulin spike in response to sweet taste.

[Shalmar]

Looks like jimmy is winding up fasting talk- breaking news!!
We’ll see what new project is around the corner. Looking forwards to it as FT was getting a little stale

[Hermione]

Keto Women Pilot with Daisy Brackenhall.

[Hermione]

Keto Women Pilot with Daisy Brackenhall

[ianrobo]

Well Jimmy just posted this and I think it is clear who he references here as stabbing him in the back.

this does happen when money and careers get in the way …

[Madeleine]

ugh - this is hard to read. I don’t think it’s just money and careers; we’re looking at less-than-ideal communication skills. The reason “I” statements are so helpful in relationships and in conflict resolution is that as soon as you start to accuse others of certain ways of thinking or ulterior motives, you shut down the discussion completely.
The above Facebook post closes doors, whereas the same statement could read: “It’s been a rough stretch, and I was so upset to see an important collaboration not work out the way I had hoped and imagined that it would. I’ve been moving through [whatever it is he’s feeling: sadness, disappointment, etc] but hope to [whatever he hopes]”
That’s more honest and it allows for movement forward. Hearing those early podcasts, I can absolutely see why the unnamed person (well, both of them) would have wanted to move on without any malice or desire to back-stab. As it turns out, for me it was them that got Jimmy on my radar and not the other way around.

[Ian, I loved hearing your episode with 2KD! Found it very inspiring ]

[ianrobo]

Thanks and happy at the feedback I got !!!

[Mandilou]

I agree completely. I had never heard of Jimmy and he was honestly the part I liked the least about the podcast.

[clackley]

The other thing that occurs to me is that in media in general, popularity is usually fleeting (read ~ jump the shark). This is likely true for podcasts. I have listened to J.M. for years and finally tired of his ‘brand’. I will still listen if he has a guest that appeals to me but not regularly anymore. That is just the way it goes. We as ‘consumers’ are fickle.