What can I expect on keto?


(Luka F) #1

I’m a 23 year old male who currently weighs 230 lbs 5’10
I’m currently eating a 90% plant based diet. I’ve been eating relatively healthy for the past few years as well. I have been working out 4 times a week every week this year.

I’m curious as to what I can expect on the ketogenic lifestyle? I hear a lot of insulin resistance and I’m not sure how I can test for that. I don’t want to simply assume that my age automatically negates any insulin resistance. I’m curious at the amount of carbohydrates I will be able to eat on the keto diet because I know that the optimal range is between 20-50 g of carbs per day


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #2

There is some indication that insulin resistance begins long before blood glucose rises enough to alert your doctor to a diagnosis of diabetes, so you are wise to be concerned. The only real test for insulin resistance at your stage is an oral glucose tolerance test, which is tedious and expensive, because it involves taking a dose of glucose and then periodically measuring your insulin response over a couple of hours. Unfortunately, this cannot be done at home, since the insulin assay involves radioactivity and an expensive machine. (There are people working on a home insulin test, but it is proving quite a challenge.)

The key to a ketogenic diet is to limit your carbohydrate intake to a level low enough to avoid stimulating an insulin response. Elevated blood glucose and insulin levels are dangerous, for a number of reasons. The exact level at which blood glucose stimulates insulin seems to vary from person to person, and the 20 g/day of carbohydrate limit you see recommended on these forums is arbitrary. But it will get you into ketosis, and once you become fat-adapted, you will be in a position to see if your body can handle more carbohydrate than that, as it most likely can.

The vegetables we recommend eating on a well-formulated ketogenic diet are leafy greens, and cruciferous vegetables such as broccoli and cauliflower. Cucumber, tomato, and others that are mostly water are semi-okay, you just need to watch their carb content. Fruits are also iffy, except the savory ones, such as avocado, and the “vegetables” that are really fruits. Berries tend to be high in fiber, so that offsets their carb count (“net carbs” = total carbs - fiber; “total carbs” = digestible carbs + fiber). We also recommend staying away from sugar as much as possible, because it has deleterious effects on the liver as well as raising insulin.

If you go keto, you can expect a period of adaptation that may last as long as two months. Your exercise performance will drop, until your muscles adapt to using fat instead of glucose for energy. You may also experience flu-like symptoms (called “Atkins flu” or “keto flu”), but these are the result of a sodium deficiency and are completely avoidable if you take care to increase your salt intake (the kidneys excrete sodium more rapidly in the absence of dietary carbohydrate). Once you have become fat-adapted, your performance will return to and possibly exceed its pre-keto level.

You may also have trouble with what we call “hidden carbs,” and one solution is to avoid processed foods and concentrate on whole food: meat, fresh veg, that sort of thing. You will also need to replace the missing calories from not eating carbohydrate with calories from fat, since fat stimulates very little insulin response, and is therefore a safe source of energy. Eat mostly saturated and monounsaturated fats (butter, ghee, lard, tallow, bacon grease, and fruit oils—avocado, coconut, and olive), and eat fatty cuts of meat, cheese, heavy cream (assuming dairy is okay in your diet).

There’s a lot more in the way of healthy eating, but cutting carbohydrate is the key to all the rest.

Do let us know how you’re getting on. I’d love to know how things turn out for you. Welcome to the forums!


(Luka F) #3

Thanks for the help with that Paul! I was concerned about the vegetables allowed on keto and I’ll stick to the 20g carb range until I become ketogenically adapted and then play around with the numbers. I’m thinking of starting Saturday, however I have a late Valentine’s Day dinner planned for that evening so it looks to prove quite a challenge on Day 1… Might end up going full tilt on Sunday if that’s the case. Will keep you updated for sure!


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #4

I started by eliminating sugar and sweets from my diet first, not worrying about the other carbohydrate (pasta, bread, oatmeal, etc.). To my surprise, it wasn’t as hard as I thought, and I started to feel so much better that in a couple of weeks I decided to go full-on keto. That was almost two years ago. True, I’ve had to deal with carb/sugar cravings, but they are not insurmountable, and not having to go hungry on this way of eating is an enormous help against the cravings.


(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #5

I was vegetarian when I started keto and I think my journey is middle of the road, similar to everyone else’s but I will comment that my previously loud, gurgling and demanding intestinal tract has been silent and compliant since starting. I wouldn’t have said I had GI issues before but just now that it’s not always rumbling or making a tiny pain here and there I really notice. It’s a great thing.


(Alex) #6

you can expect at least some, if not all, of the following benefits from a ketogenic lifestyle: weight loss, mood stability, increased mental clarity, increased energy, increased sex drive, higher self-confidence, clearer skin, better organ function, better sleep, increased metabolism, increased insulin sensitivity, reduced appetite, reduced blood sugar levels, reduced blood pressure, better vision, diminished cravings… the list goes on! best of luck on your journey :slightly_smiling_face:


(Alex) #7

oh, and i forgot to mention, a much stronger immune system! that’s a big one. it’s nice not coming down with the flu once every six weeks, which is what often happened to me in my carb-fueled days…


(Ken) #8

Here’s a little more practical guide. Occurring after you stop eating carbs.

Day two. Dietary carbs in you digestive system are used up and you start to secrete glucagon to enable glycogen use.

Day three to five. Glycogen depletes, causing initial water weight loss. Withdrawal symptoms (Keto Flu) possibly beginning during this time. Drink liquids and electrolytes.

Once glycogen depletes, Lipolysis (fat burning) begins.

Two weeks to three months. Adaptive stage when body is able to use fat efficiently. Try to keep carbs as low as possible to assist adaptation. Eat plenty of fat. If fat loss is your priority, eat only when hungry, and eat enough to feel sated.

Post adaptive period. If losing fat, maintain the same pattern. If Stalled, explore other options like Fasting, carbs on the Weekend, etc. There are many options at this phase, it’s a matter of finding out which one works.

A normal fat loss rate is between one to two pounds per week.


(Luka F) #9

Day 1 of full keto

Feeling a bit weird. Not feeling full satiety as I hear those who are fat adapted say

Breakfast: 3 eggs with 2 extra egg yolks omlette with some aged cheddar cheese, bacon and a handful of spinach cooked in the bacon fat. Omlette cooked with ghee.
Also espresso with coconut oil blended in

Lunch: some bone broth, 3 walnuts and 4 cacao beans (for potassium and magnesium)

Felt hungry again so I had a rib eye steak cooked in ghee

Dinner: 5 asparagus stalks cooked in ghee with S&P and 80/20 ground beef cooked with an egg and some cheese on top.

Am I doing alright so far?


(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #10

That all sounds good. In the beginning, I’d say those first two weeks I had loss of appetite and then I ate everything in my kitchen in two days. I was ravenous and I don’t know if it’s because I ran out of glycogen stores and was actually hungry or because I was having so much fun eating meat and fat again. Anyway, listen to your hunger signals, feed your body when it wants food and don’t eat in between.

(I personally get hungry more often when I have nuts.)


(Scott) #11

Fat adapted is many weeks or months away for you. Not trying to be harsh but ketosis is quick but fat adapted is best left to the calendar.