Victoza plus keto is a magic

(Hala) #1

I started victoza 2 days ago no snaking usually I do IF with keto but when I eat after 16 hrs of fasting I feel I want a snack like nuts but after victoza I’m not feeling hungry at all especially usually I’m not hungry bcz of Keto I feel I’ll lose weight and I’m happy for that but I’m worry abt my appetite I dnt feel like eating at all but I’m eating just to keep my ketones and my energy

(Karen) #2

Glad to hear it is helping you a bit.

K

(Hala) #3

Thank u Karen ur always supporting me :kissing_heart:

(Richard Morris) #4

Victoza’s mechanism is to increase insulin secretion to help diabetics clear glucose, slow emptying of the stomach (this is probably the effect you are noticing), and reduce the production of glucose in the liver.

In a ketogenic context we shouldn’t need to increase insulin. We are also relying on our livers to make glucose because we don’t eat any. So that last effect could be making keto a little harder.

Dr Phinney (who is the subject matter expert on Nutritional Ketosis) suggests that people should come off all diabetic drugs other than metformin, unless they need insulin injections.

(Hala) #5

So u prefer to stop the victoza is better

(Hala) #6

Victoza can kick u out from ketosis ???

(Richard Morris) #7

Not exactly.

It’s more like your liver has to work just a little harder to make glucose because your brain is telling it “Make glucose for me cos we’re not eating any” and Victoza is telling your liver “Don’t make so much glucose”. You may even make a little more ketones because the process of making glucose in your liver also causes ketones to be made.

But I am just guessing. All I know is that the Dr Phinney says when we have adapted to running on fat we can come off all diabetic medication, especially any that are hypoglycemiic (cause us to make more insulin or pee out more glucose). Although he does say to involve your doctor in the decision when and how to do that.

#8

Could you maybe offer a little more context @Jackson as to why you were prescribed this medication in the first place. Was it to assist with Type 2 diabetes symptoms? It might be easier to work out what is going on and others might have similar experiences to share with you. I understand your concern about losing appetite, especially if you are fasting as well and don’t have a nice big supply of body fat to sustain you! It is always a good idea to think all around and about a situation to make sure you are doing the right thing.

(Hala) #9

No I’m not diabetic my doctor told me can help for weight loss and he knows I’m in ketosis and he was so happy that I’m in ketosis he s my hormonal doctor (I have hashimotos) but now I’m worry abt my ketosis diet and Victozia wht do u think ??? I prefer to be fat adapted but the prob with keto no weight loss ( and everything perfect net carb and fat …) but I weight loss

#10

As a weight loss tool, I would strongly advise against it. I am sure others will have more to offer about the medication itself as it is something I am not familiar with but taking a drug out of context is rarely a good idea. I am surprised a GP would do that - not great form. Do you take anything for the Hashis? I was under medicated for years which is very common. I now take a T3/T4 combo which is much better than the T4 only I was on before. If you don’t already have blood tests for the Hashis, I would get some - TSH alone is not much use, you need to get Free T3, Free T4 and ideally keep track of your antibodies too. Keto and being gluten-free should help a lot but it is usually key to get treatment right too.

Do you actually need to lose weight? Maybe you are fighting against a weight that your body is actually happy and healthy at? If there is still a little left to go then optimising your thyroid function will probably help with that.

Obviously discuss the Victoza situation with your doctor but I would be concerned about the fact that they recommended it for weight loss.

#11

We can’t give you medical advice or tell you what to do or not do re prescribed meds. However, we can encourage you to question what your doctor tells you if it doesn’t feel right to you or if there is something you are concerned about or is not working for you. It is a good thing to ask questions here and also to go off and do some research of your own. The better armed you are with information, the more likely you can get a great handle on your health with the help of your doctor. They know you to a degree obviously (depends how long you have been with them etc.) but they don’t always know what is best for you. Work with them and for yourself. Empower yourself with as much knowledge and awareness as you can. It might irritate some doctors but so what - it’s your body.

(Hala) #12

Dear I did all the test T3 is a little bit low but tsh t4 good the doctor said he can’t give me any medicine and sureeee my antibodies not good but my doctor told me he can’t give me anthg still I have nigative results concerning my tsh and t4 T3 so my only solution now it’s victoZa to lose weight and abt hashimotos I take a lot supplements and surely no gluten and dairy free ! And I take b12 omega 3 selenium magnesium vitamin d and zinc now I’m thinking abt ashwagadha but my research said no ashwagadha for hashimotos so still dunno if I take it or no

#13

So you don’t take any thyroid meds but you are diagnosed with hypothyroidism? That is not right. Honestly, I would want to get a second opinion on that. Have a look at this website which has fantastic information about hypothyroidism. It was this information that led me to drive further testing and get better meds for my own hypothyroidism.

(Hala) #14

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(Hala) #15

Im not hypo I’m still hashimotos still my thyroid is working this is the doctor said he said for now we can’t do anthg for the antibodies we have to wait till to have hypo then he can give me a medicine

#16

You need to get Free T3 too. “Free” shows how much is available.

Hashimotos is the most common form of hypothyroidism. All people with Hashis are hypo but not all people who are hypo have Hashis. You generally get the diagnosis after a test for antibodies. Check out the website I listed above, it has loads of info.

(Hala) #17

I’ll now and honestly u convinced me I’m gonna check another doctor

#18

Well it certainly wont hurt to do some research of your own and get a second opinion. It is your body and health and right that you get the best treatment available. That can mean getting a second opinion or sometimes just discussing your concerns with your existing doctor to see if they are willing to think things through further.

(Hala) #19

Daisy my doctor think I’m crazy every two weeks I go to him and try to convince him to give me medicine and every time he s telling me he can’t! Bcz I’m okkkk but I’m not ok ! So I started to take supplements bcz my research said take these supplements and h ll feel better and btw my doctor he s the best in my country usually it’s hat to have an apoitmenet but I’m always paying extra and btw every 3 month I check my t3 t4 tsh and cholesterol …

#20

Please check out the STTM website and then, yes, I think you need to talk to another doctor about your thyroid. They should be willing to give you the necessary tests but then also assess your symptoms alongside that. I will give you an example - my GP discussed my latest tests with me and said my Free T3 result was now on the high side. Was I experiencing hyper symptoms? “No”, I said. He was fine for me to continue at the same level of medication because although the blood test would indicate I might be taking too much, my symptoms did not. Thyroid is notoriously tricky and should always be treated with a combination of symptoms and blood testing.

I would also question the prescribing of Vitroza for weight loss while you are at it. Maybe there was a good reason for putting you on it but I would want to know what it was if I were you.