Very important Question?

(Kristina) #1

So I’ve been on the Keto diet for a while now with great success. My question is this. I’m an avid backpacker and I have a week long 98 mile backpacking trip coming up in the High Sierras. I’ll be burning upwards of 3000 calories a day and I know I’ll need some extra carbs to sustain me through the mountainous peaks and passes. I was wondering how many extra carbs I would need to have enough fuel for the trip but still stay in Ketosis. My current macros are 20g carbs, 82g fat and 75g protein. Any advice will be helpful.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #2

What carbs would you need? I’m confused. Surely keto snacks are what’s called for.

(Davy) #3

How many miles per day do you plan to do? 25?
You probably weigh about 110lb?
Anyway, this might help http://www.healthyweightforum.org/eng/calculators/keto/

(less is more, more or less) #4

Hrm. If I read this correctly, you’re making fundamentally wrong presumptions (I’ll need some extra carbs) and suggests you may want to brush up on the advantages of this way of eating and its advantages.

http://pwop.com/download/TheKetogenicDietInANutshell.pdf

Keto shifts your body to burning fat for energy, including – and most say enhancing – high-energy activities such as what you’re about to embark upon. It sounds like great fun, as well.

If this couple can row to Hawaii on Keto, then you should be fine:

That article may help you with what foods to bring along, as well.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #5

Check your arithmetic. If she’s eating 75 g of protein a day, then at 1.0 g/kg of lean body mass, she has to weigh nearly 200 lbs. Even at 1.5 g/kg, it still works out to a total of 132 lbs, allowing for a woman’s 20% body fat.

(Kristina) #6

This is helpful information. I weigh 122lbs and do fine on my current macros. If you think I’ll do fine without any added carb fuel I’ll do that. I plan on doing between 18 and 25 miles per day. I just don’t want to poop out on the trail due to lack of fuel.

(Empress of the Unexpected) #7

That is a cool little calculator! Thanks for sharing that.

(Davy) #8

A red Indian thought he might eat turkey in church.

(Katie) #9

Snack ideas include a Keto Brick (available online at the end of this month) and keto-friendly nuts.

(Davy) #10

My suggestion will get some flack, but I’d sure have some back up, high energy things to eat; just in case. Else you might be miserable or get in trouble. You can always get back INTO Keto, but stuck out on the trail?
Don’t know WHEN your hike is, but do you have time to get some Bear Valley Pemmican? The fruit and nut is to die for. https://www.amazon.com/Bear-Valley-Pemmican-Fruit-3-75-Ounce/dp/B000LKTCVW/ref=sr_1_3_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1531765042&sr=8-3&keywords=bear+valley+pemmican

(Ashley) #11

@DavyKOTWF Just out of curiosity, how Keto are you? Because from the threads I’ve read that you’ve replied to you seem to comment a lot about fruits and vegggies that are very carb heavy. To each their own just a observation.

(Crow T. Robot) #12

You won’t, as long as you have a fair amount of body fat still, and/or are consuming plenty of fat during your trip. You general macros sound fine. If you are fat adapted, and it sounds like you are, you should be fine.

(LeeAnn Brooks) #13

I’m running a half marathon trail run next month, and not only am I doing it without carbs, I’m going to do it fasted.

If you are fat adapted, you shouldn’t need additional fuel sources.

If being the operative word.

(Edith) #14

I also saw a video about a climber who climbed Mount Everest eating low carb. For long endurance like hiking, I don’t believe carbs are necessary.

(Kristina) #15

Awesome advice. Thank you. I’ll continue on my usual macros and maybe bring a couple emergency gels in case things go south.

(Kristina) #16

I’m pretty new to this forum so I haven’t replied to any posts yet. I’m pretty well into Ketosis and avoid fruits (except berries) and stick to leafy greens for fiber.

(Ashley) #17

I wasn’t referring to you at all! If you look at the beginning of my quote I was referring to Davy. Your fine :slight_smile:

(LeeAnn Brooks) #18

Most of us here tend to think that the whole idea of “carbing up” for athletes is completely unnecessary if you’re on Keto.

I used to have either a banana before a run or a bowl of Special K Red Berries with Almond milk. About an hour before a run.

Now I do it without anything. In fact, if I’ve eaten within 5 hours of running, it upsets my stomach.
And I’m running much further now than I was pre Keto.

Just think, the average banana has something like 24 grams of carbs.

That more than my whole days allotment now.

(Crow T. Robot) #19

Feel free to bring whatever backup you want – I’m a belt and braces man, myself – but, even if things “go south”, I recommend first trying what Vinnie Tortorich (ultra-endurance cyclist and trainer) uses: a single Jolly Rancher (or other small hard candy), instead of a gross gel-pack. Trust us, you don’t need fuel from carbs; you have plenty on your body or from your keto food. However, Vinnie says that sometimes the body holds on to fuel if you’re really exerting yourself and that little taste of sweet (just let it slowly dissolve in your cheek for as long as you can) kick-starts something and the body releases energy. Just a thought.

(Alec) #20

And lots of people report improved performance and feeling great when they eat salt before and during exercise. Worth taking some along for the ride! :running_man:‍♂