Trying to get into ketosis WITHOUT losing weight - please help!


(John) #21

There were a few benefits I saw once all plant-based foods were eliminated. Granted, some were better with the reduction a few years prior, but ultimately the complete elimination of them showed more improvements, still. The mental and emotional clarity is much better. Like I said, SAD was a regular occurrence about this time of year and that’s completely gone. I would also have minor bouts of depression from time-to-time and haven’t had any since. And even when I’m tired and don’t want to think, I feel like I still can - used to be that my thinking could get a bit cloudy especially when really tired. There’s also a massive improvement in digestion which was actually the catalyst to eliminating all plants in the end (I had an ulcer). Once every spec of veggies was gone, digestion issues went with them. Zero gas, bloating, or anything adverse down there. Plus the weight and hunger management. When I was low carb but still eating some veggies, nuts, and oils, my weight was ok but I still had to be mindful of how much I was eating. Now that I eat meat and eggs, it’s really not an issue. The hunger and satiety signals are much clearer and over-eating is honestly pretty hard to do.

For hydration, I simply salt all of my water. The electrolyte mixes for sale aren’t really necessary. Potassium and magnesium are in my food, plus I salt my food. But I also add one of those little single-serving packets of salt to every 8 oz of water and I drink no less than 64 oz of water per day (usually more). No need for flavored mixes or anything like that.

I’d say that instead of trying to determine which podcaster is right, look into the science of metabolism for yourself. And never just assume that someone citing a study has it right. Look at the study for yourself. Sadly, almost all of the studies on nutrition are pretty worthless. There are hardly any that can draw the conclusion that’s in the headline. Perplexity or Claude can be helpful here, too. Give it the study and then this prompt: What flaws and weaknesses exist in this study’s design and methodology which limit the accuracy of its conclusions.


(Edith) #22

It’s been quite some time now since I tried carnivore. I don’t actually remember how long ago at this point, 5 years maybe. Overall, it helped me improve joint issues, especially with my lower lumbar, I believe, because I did a lot of oxalate dumping during my trial.

Unfortunately for me, after seven months I had to stop, because my histamine issues became pretty severe. It got to the point where I couldn’t even tolerate red meat. I believe this happened because I wasn’t getting enough vitamin C. Our bodies produce an enzyme called diamine oxidase to help us break down histamine, and vitamin C is a necessary component for it’s production.

I don’t remember the exact time scale any more, but once I reintroduced some leafy greens, particularly arugula because it is low oxalate, my histamine intolerance improved fairly rapidly, within a week or two. I still eat fairly close to carnivore (it is just soooooo easy) but I do eat leafy green and some berries. I do still have histamine trouble here and there, but nothing like when I did my carnivore trial. Every once in a while, I try to introduce more fruits and veggies, but within a few days, the inflammation and joint aches return. Nightshades definitely give me inflammation and aching joints.

As far a hair regrowth is concerned:
Due to years of 2MAD, and eating about 1200-1400 calories a day, my hair became thin and barely grew. About two and a half years ago, I started listening to a podcast called MindPump. It’s hosted by three gym bros and their main topic is strength training. They are big proponents of getting one gram of protein per pound of body weight daily and to making sure one eats enough to fuel that muscle growth and recovery.

I couldn’t believe the change in my hair once I started eating more and upped my protein. I’m 60 years old, and three years post menopause at this point, but I have quite the glorious head of hair (if I do say so myself. :laughing:) I thought the problem with my hair was my age, because I read that’s what happens to women once they go through menopause. I now believe its because women don’t eat enough protein and don’t eat enough in general, especially as they age.

Finally, paleo keto:

I eat a lot of meat, leafy green, some berries. I should eat fish more often, but I find I tend to have histamine issues from it unless it is frozen. I do enjoy some nuts on occasion, but they seem to cause inflammation if I eat them too often. I use olive oil, avocado oil, bacon fat/lard, and beef tallow. Duck fat is a good fairly neutral tasting fat which can be used in place of butter.

A few more thoughts:

When I did my carnivore trial; I, of course, joined an online carnivore group. Their answer to any problem was always, “Eat more meat… You are not eating enough… You don’t need extra electrolytes…” They never once discussed oxalate dumping which can be a huge problem when one switches to a carnivore diet. You may want to look into the FaceBook “Trying Low Oxalates” group. It is a wonderful resource, run by oxalate researchers and nutritionists, and they have a carnivore subgroup.

At the time, I realized that with any group, you only hear from the ones for which the diet worked. Even in this forum. For the people the diet didn’t work, they leave the group and you don’t ever get to hear about what went wrong for them.

Good luck with your journey.