Interesting since cutting way back on portions my blood glucose has dropped into the 60s during the day and my ketones have shot up to 4.7
TreatyMeatyCarnivore December!
MeganNZ
(Megan)
#102
Hey everyone, I just did an online order for meat. Horrible price, but I ordered a fair bit. The cheapest place to buy pork is my local supermarket, they often have pork shoulder and leg roasts reduced to $8.25 a kilo. The cheapest place to get beef is the butcher I do online orders with. I just bought:
10 kilos of 80/20 beef mince (ground beef) - $149
4 topside beef roasts - $80 (they are meant to weigh approx 1.3kg each but so far have all been closer to 1kg than 1.3 which really annoys me!)
3 kilos of rump steak - $66
3 pieces of pork belly - $54 (website says approx 1.3kg each, weâll see)
Total - $350 ouch
I donât particularly like mince, but I need to eat more beef and less pork and itâs the cheapest way to buy beef. I donât think living mostly on pork is ideal b/c of the rubbish commercially raised pork is fed, and they arenât ruminants. Plus all the beef is grass fed right through the animalâs life.
Iâve been eating some nuts and seeds and a few even worse things with my greek yoghurt off and on the past month and have reined myself in. 100% unnecessary and 100% unwanted behaviour! Yes, Iâm having an awful time with losing Grace, but I am a slippery slope type person and have started having cravings for absolute crap like pizza etc. So, stern talking to myself has happened, and all offending food items have been binned. Now I need to detox, mentally and physically. I think the beef will help.
I had my gallbladder out a year or 2 ago and, because it was emergency surgery, they had to do open surgery rather than keyhole. I developed a large incisional hernia on each end of the surgical cut then had to have emergency hernia repairs done due to a piece of bowel getting caught in one of them. The mesh repair quickly failed on the lower hernia and itâs really bulging. Starting to give me some real pain and I feel quite out of sorts at times. I havenât told my doctor yet b/c the failure rate for hernia repairs is very high (25-50%) so this isnât an unexpected thing, and the failure rate for re-repairs is even higher. Just tracking the damn thing, keeping an eye out for any of the things that mean I really must hike off to the doc asap. Itâs bugging me tho. Some anxiety about possibly needing another surgery and what the pain means, a large bulge on one side of my mid abdomen when the other side in that spot is now wonderfully flat due to my weight loss, plus feeling out of sorts at times is much more noticeable now I am doing this woe and am generally feeling quite a bit better most of the time.
Losing Grace has left a real hole in my life and itâs not a hole that can be filled with anything else. Itâs a Grace hole. I think time and grieving is the only thing that will mend it. I miss her so much and Iâm still struggling with how she died. God Damn cancer. It took my beautiful healthy full of life dog years before she should have died.
Azi
(Linda )
#103
So sorry about your losing grace but sounds like you gave her a wonderful life and sounds like she really touched yours âŚ
Good for you for getting back on track I actually like mince so versatile as nachos or stroganoff type meals or Mexican or meat loaf or scotch eggsâŚim not into stew type meals though lol
JJFiddle
(Judy Thompson)
#104
So right, so well stated Megan! I admire your tenacity and determination to set yourself right. Iâm estimating my own diet successes at about 35 so far in this life starting at the age of 12 with those prescription amphetamines. So as of now, I at least believe myself to be aware that if I leave this woe Iâll start going downhill in appropriately 10 minutes. If my life expectancy is 90 then I only have to do this for about 20 years to avoid diabetes, cancer and heart disease, all rampant in my family history.
And today marks 11 months carnivore. So much has changed in me. Not just the obvious but yesterday hubby mentioned that Iâm more confident⌠He acted like that was a bad thing 
- I said as opposed to what- mousy? LOL 
Today was a chicken day. Gravy was a pint of chicken bone broth thickened with half a dozen egg yolks, then on day 2 I threw a cup of grated Parmesan in, and today heated that and added heavy cream. Tomorrow is hamburger - what will I do to that sauce tomorrow?
Later in the day I cut up a hard boiled egg and added tuna and mayo to make a salad, then tonight another egg and finished it. Taught my 4 private students online. A nice easy day.
Fangs
#105
Reading great posts on the board!
@JJFiddle
I smiled big reading your sayinâ on your coffee mug in your pic. Too darn funny~!
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Simple day. steak and pork. I did buy some more Nathan hot dogs on good sale. Why I am wanting them I have no clue HA ate 3 yesterday along with my pork.
This morning I woke up super not hungry. No food focus. No âI will eatâ this. I am not sure what to defrost ya know? I do have 2 big burgers in fridge to use but kinda marked those dog but I think I will get 2 more out of freezer and eat those probaby first. I donât know if I love days I have no thought about food or an appetite draw or if it makes me more anxious to not defrost a bunch of meat and know I am covered LOL
oh wellâŚzc on I go 
Fangs
#107
@MeganNZ----- by george he seems all improved. back to his crazy over excessive barking seizure med self
I tell ya Megan I donât know if he was misdiagnosed, maybe had some pancreatic poison hit that bloated gut in âan xrayâ but we never did an ultrasound yet? and then his bloodwork numbers were SO OFF with into possible kidney failure and liver getting hit and more???
I am like. wait. then new vet? new med testing? wait to see if my vet called it all wrong and more and then pour some bucks into him again to âknow more truthsâ?
It is like he is him again on the seizure meds as he changed on those.
key being I then changed that I cut back one seizure med from 3 pills a day to 2âŚI cut his phenobarbtyl down from 90mg to 75mg and no seizure activity and he is darn perkier for sure. I changed time of day. I give smaller does, 1 30mg in morn and at night he gets 45mg for âsleep night timeâ in second dose and it seems to be âall goodâ. I also stopped the thyroid pill. 1.5 pills per day, low dose but it also has increased his appetite maybe? being off those. I know one thing, WE ARE now doing him off what we see ya know
kiddo and me say one thing. thank heavens we did NOT follow vet advice of bringing him in on that monday to be put down. I knew in my heart that wasnât happenign anyway til WE KNEW what his level of health was ya know but damnâŚ
We are on eggshells of movement forward but my best call I think will be new vet after xmas.
I put out fresh chicken for him about an hr ago and he ate 1 piece and wouldnât touch it but now I threw that and cooked burger and here he is woofing it ALL down. As long as he eats I feel there is life but honestly I almost donât wann know what is going down for him in a way, like I know I gotta do new vet to find out new things and âsee whereâ we are at but my kid is again relieved he is not passing ya know and deems him the cat dog, 9 lives cause we had huge issues thru the seizure part and he died twice in the seizure issues? but in the end, I think I donât wanna know but we gotta know?
ughâŚso many frigginâ emotions, AS you know when it comes to our fur family.
not only do I listen to my body but the furball is showing me truly what he wants at all times LOL now I gotta do 2 carnivores in the mix in this family and the other doesnât communicate too well but I am learning and listening
Megan thanks for letting me spill about what is going down on him to you I appreciate me chatting it out ya know and with someone like you who is willing to walk the walk to make it all best for our fur family!!!
this is him barking and barking get me the meat! but too hot, he had to wait a minute or 2. tried raw on him but he wants it nuked. hey he gets what he wants
this pic is him woofing it all down. he is super content now!
ahhh, what we do when we gotta do it 
Shinita
#108
I feel sorry for your health problems 
What. Pork is about as expensive as beef there?
Ouch.
I believe in my own body Anyway, itâs pork or seitan for me, ruminants have no chance yet⌠I use other meats too occasionally (all cheap, turkey, chicken, hake fish, sometimes rabbit, thatâs the most expensive but home-raised and lovely and mostly not for me) and hope for the best!
My current roasted pork was $3.38 per kg (USD). Price cap and LIDL. Cheapest beef is over $10 and I strongly prefer pork.
But itâs Europe so letâs hope the pork is somewhat better here even if itâs not from a farm. Iâve read huge differences between European and American pork, no idea what is the case for Australia and NZ.
I will focus on farm meat if I get money but well, the human body is amazing, people survived on super horrible food (not healthily sure but sometimes I donât get HOW they even survived), my good genetics with the best I can do should be enough for a healthy long life.
Of course itâs still painful, not so much time passed. And itâs especially bad that it wasnât even a full life
I donât know when I will stop thinking about my Aunt and feel bad every day⌠The worst time passed but itâs still a little stab every time. And we werenât particularly close or compatible. She still was a good person and I listened to her garden and health talk a lot every time we talked⌠At least we had that. After Grandma died, Mom and I stopped visiting my Aunt (Momâs only sibling) and all contact was lost until Momâs funeral. Mom wasnât a social person, she didnât talk to me if she could do it⌠I was a tiny bit lonely as a kid in my 2 person family. Nothing too bad until 17, that was a fragile time⌠But I stop reminiscing here.
Hi guys, lovely sunshine and all day frost here! The few snowflakes didnât melt, they just exist in their pitifulness!
Itâs past 5pm and I start to get hungry.
I fried hake fish, I still have my beef liver (merely tasted it yesterday) but the star is my freshly finished pork roast! (I do this roasting not at once thing for reasons.)
The freezer is defrosted, yay!!! Still not much more space as I couldnât put back the stuff into the lower shelf, far from it so all the space I won on the upper one, had to get used up. Oh well, itâs fine.
Alvaro brought 10 eggs. He tries again tomorrow. I keep avoiding using eggs. Itâs a welcome challenge for me right now, unusual 
But I have so many items to useâŚ
My long sleep at a more proper time helped but I am still not in my top shape. But I am hopeful and want to change my life for the better!
Shinita
#109
Yay for Bolt! 
It was nice to read he has wants and he gets them 
Dear lil boy.
I had my lunch. Pork roast (fresh, warm, with tiny nice fatty partsâŚ), beef liver (cats got some chewier pieces, I wasnât in a liver mood but ate some), 3 cheesy puffs, some fried fish and very lightly milky coffees for today. I ate meat until it felt okay, definitely over mere satiation but of course, zero force. I wondered about having some more dairy for dessert but nope, my body definitely doesnât want more food.
I will track tomorrow. Because
- I doesnât want the numbers influencing me.
- Who knows if I will get hungry later? I donât want to do more work than what I need for one day even if my first meal numbers are interesting too. But I want them to be the same if possibleâŚ
I am very, very satiated now.
MeganNZ
(Megan)
#110
Yea, I must admit I was absolutely gob smacked the vet suggested immediate euthanasia. Are you planning to get the 2nd opinion from the different vet, or keep doing what youâre doing and see what happens? Cost is a real issue when it comes to pet care so I 100% understand any reluctance you may have to pour a ton more $$ into him. The wonderful thing right now is the changes you have made have helped him feel a lot better! Thatâs awesome! YOUâRE awesome!
You can talk about him as much as you want to here, I know I am not the only person closely following how the wee fella is doing.
JJFiddle
(Judy Thompson)
#111
True, I know weâre all watching Bolt to see how things will go. So glad heâs doing so well. So many meds you gotta adjust just on intuition to balance his metabolism on your own. I hope the new vet you get after Christmas will be a better match for you guys and for Bolt.
Today, I cooked a lb of hamburger for the 2 of us, but also made a chicken salad for me with a boiled egg and mayo. I didnât expect to but ate all of it and it felt so good just to be satisfied for once!
No other food til now, if he wakes up and wants something Iâll cook some eggs and bacon.
The restaurant gig went so well tonight, Tuesday is an off night for tourist traffic and for restaurant traffic too, but the place was comfortably full and the people were very nice to work with. I walk around from table to table and he stands at the door mostly and plays, tries to figure out what Iâm playing for each table and joins in on string bass. Some nights itâs easy and people are friendly and other nights itâs like pulling teeth, most nights are in between, but tonight was super. Hubby has some kind of digestive crud but thinks heâd feel better with eggs and bacon⌠but heâs already fallen asleep lol.
Shinita
#112
Of course we gladly read a lot about how well Bolt is doing Or whatever he will do but I hope for the best and his current state is promising!
I tracked my previous day. Today as it wouldnât do to trigger my mind to do things my body doesnât need. Maybe it wonât happen but I saw things from it before so letâs be safe. And anyway, I ate too many times after midnight and I donât want to do the work twice.
Guesstimation (I didnât even weigh a few minor things but I probably guesstimate more than less for yesterday) says 151g protein and 52g fat (And 13g carbs but that doesnât matter, I just like my numbers. But carbs is almost never fun, just a small number on carnivore.)
Well, yeah. I lack eggs, all the 3 meats I had were lean⌠The tiny cheese and added fat couldnât overpower them.
I was very, very satiated yesterday but I had an abnormal day before and that is an important factor. I will try such a day again (maybe with some more fat, below 1200 kcal isnât what I usually can handle but occasionally happens).
I shouldnât overdo my protein Itâs costly. Oh well, itâs 150g, not 230⌠And maybe my body finds some good use for it, who knows? I donât even know my protein need, just that I canât get satiated below 120-130g, almost no matter what. (I have no idea why I can when I can either.)
Why my body has this obsession with numbers I still donât know, it acts like a program, not a proper human body when it comes to them. Fortunately fat is flexible. itâs fine below 100g if I get enough energy and itâs fine way above 200g too. I just overeat then but I feel just as satiated as I did yesterday with 52g. And I donât feel any other noticeable changes either. But of course, these are just for 1-2 days, never very long term and that matters. Still informative as some people react to such changes on the same day. My body is stubborn and tries to keep itself the same forever. It is losing, aging is unavoidable but itâs just some tiny things this far. I want more muscles though.
Oh I had a second dinner yesterday too. I got properly hungry so I had quark with sour cream. And this tiny dessert did the trick. Wow.
Oh I found an old pic! The disks are quiche with red cheese.
Is it normal to be a bit green for beef liver after frying� (In real life it was greener.)
Not a pretty dish and I wasnât in liver eating mood so only had some (the cheesy puffs helped) but it tasted normal for liver. Again, it wasnât bitter at all so beef liver is really like that. I tried it 2 times this far, loved first and I am not in the mood now, maybe all the chicken liver I used for variety (and lean stuff, itâs useful if one is very much prone to overeat fat while trying minimizing it since more than a decade. but it seems I figured it out now)⌠Itâs not bad, I just donât want it. But itâs not bitter, the liver flavor is there, just nicely chewy (with some pieces for the cats)⌠So itâs a fine liver when I am in the mood. I didnât even enjoy my fresh pork roast much yesterday, just the fattier parts. Hopefully today will be better. My pork is very pretty, I will bring photos later.
No idea if I fried it for the right time, it lost more water than last time⌠But it didnât take much time and I like well-fried liver even if beef liver seems to be different⌠Not enough experience yet.
Fangs
#113
@MeganNZ
we leave for a 8 day beach camp trip the day after Xmas. I think when we get home we will hit up new vet. I see no changes ya know but his little belly area is extended and hard but then again, he actually is overweight so? Right now it is all about watching him like a hawk. He eats, acts the same, all seems âin normal fineâ me and kiddo thought just go with the flow and when home from beach trip concentrate and find out what is âreallyâ happening with him ya know. Fingers crossed on it all. Thanks for your post
@Shinita
the green color can be normal for liver when cooked. the bile leeches and some liver is heavier concentration so when cooked it can easily change to a green tint and it is fine to eat
I hope you get in top shape feeling better soon!!
@JJFiddle
I woke up this morning thinking, darn I want one of those seafood towers to eat! You guys got a cool career JJ.
Hope your hubbyâs gut issues get better fast! Nothing worst than gut stuff, not a fan!!
------------------------today is simple
defrost Tbone steak and have either pork or chicken tonight. I am gravitating toward chicken cause I think I might want some alfredo sauce on it. Eating the big Tbone steak first will drive how I eat the second food, eh, just wait and see on that.
I booked day after xmas for 8 day beach trip. Weeee. Can only hope poochie does ok thru it all but I already scoped emergency vet near the campground so covered if we have issues. Also bringing along his doggie stroller. Being older and issues now, he can walk out very very far and go long distance still for his little olâ selfâŚwhich is fab, but getting back is a chore for him on return trip LOL In Key West when we went it was like 99 deg. and he did fine thru most of the walk til he just started to hyper pant and we thought, darn we need an emergency stroller for him and we bought one for a pet and it is great to have when needed. At night at the beach in the 90s he would âagain walk out very far with usâ but return trip the panting and overheating would kick in on him and into the stroller he would go for the return trip. See little dogs, yea they go out on a few miles easily but return walk is tough on the little guys when older Omgosh reading that backâŚpet stroller for the dog! hey it works tho HAHA
ok onward into the zc day we go.
not good sales on ribeye around. I missed the Publix at 5.49/lb for standing ribeye and my store has it on sale for $7.99/lb. I donât know if I wanna store up a bunch. Irks me I missed the lower cost. I have to hit grocery store in a bit here fast for a few small items for family and will check out meat counter thoâŚsee if I get inspired.
I know one thing. I got all you can eat crab legs, tons of other seafood too and prime rib and more for my beach trip at a great buffet restaurant. might save my cash and put it on that expensive dinner out vs. stocking up freezer. Wallet is in Xmas shock mode kinda right nowâŚtime to shut down the wallet a bit
ZC Soldier on all!
FrankoBear
#114
Yesterday I climbed a âMountainâ - it was a large granite monolith 411m high. Mainly steps 300 (stair climb) up then back along a bush walk trail. There were also two steel ladder climbs near the top. It felt like I achieved getting to the start line for something. My fuel was a cup of coffee. I ate lamb chops afterward and rehydrated with some extra magnesium supplement.
Shinita
#116
Yeah I figured the liver was fine, I saw it raw anyway, proper liver. Green color never bothered me (sunflower seeds with sodium bicarbonate becomes green in baking, âovercookedâ, perfectly fine hard-boiled eggs has green too), I just never saw it in my usual chicken liver (thatâs not a pretty dish either, some food canât be made pretty easily but itâs fine :)) so it was odd. It was liver colored rawâŚ
I remembered I didnât look at the percentages, I usually donât care but it was an unusual day. 54% protein. Shows how stupid focusing on percentages unless there is a reason.
My protein is perfect at 30-35% but for unusual days itâs different, of course.
My poor fat It almost never went below 50%, once (very many years ago) I actually jumped a lot of carbs with carbs, odd combo from me as I eat fat with everything all my life but there was a few exceptions (bread with honey if someone is interested). And carbs with carbs has zero or less satiation level so I ate a lot. I still ended up with 45% fat, fat is unavoidable.
But if I eat very low-carb, itâs way easier to eat low-fat (still tricky) so no wonder my few low-fat days almost always happened on very low-carb (my old keto wasnât enough). I had one low-fat high-carb day but I had to focus like crazy (but if I already did it, once in my life, I wanted to check out super low-fat as well so it was a fat-phobic day. didnât help me understand fat-phobics. it was awful. I think I ate 130g a day for fat-loss at that time, on good days I mean, I needed more here and there to keep my fat longing in check).
By the way, fat! I tasted my lard and it reminds me of good duck fat! But itâs just mere lard from my supermarket pork. My meat was fried in it, that surely helps but still, itâs amazing!
(I am in my fasting window but I fried a little thing and licking my finger isnât above me.)
I hope Alvaro brings eggs so I can have my sponge cakes again. It is almost a week I had them and I used to eat some every day (sometimes 10, 6 was very common).
Gloomy, super cold weather. I started to wear fluffy gloves in the house. Not the right solution but being active in various ways and get my spirit lifted takes longer.
I need 2 pairs of warm socks too⌠My other parts are fine enough but a tiny bit more heating wouldnât be amiss⌠Itâs not that simple what we should do but we will figure it out.
Karen18
(Karen)
#117
Was out most of yesterday. Ate at the Salvation Army and had 1 egg fried as they only had one left and 4 rashers of bacon to make up for the missing egg! Forgot to take a photo.
Picked up a few more Xmas pressies and a jigsaw table for me. I had been looking at doing some jigsaws since my stroke and seen the foldaway tables but kept putting it off so took bull by the horns qhen i saw it in charity shop and did the dirty deed ⌠it only just fit in my boot and was quite heavy! The manager said it had been reduced down from £80 to £40. I said i came in on the right day then lol!
When i got home i made a rump steak that needed eating which was nice, ate a bit of cheese and then later felt i needed something else and fried some turkey mince, added a bit of jerk spice and a few knobs of butter and it was lovely. Ate the whole pack, 2 small bowlfuls.
Not a great sleep last night but i am putting it down to having the alarm set this morning for the Gasman arriving to fit new smart meter. Everytime the alarms set!
Had a small bit of cheese and then fried 20 beef meatballs. I have another pack of meatballs that will get cooked later. The tutkey mince and meatballs were all reduced price from lidl⌠nowt wrong with reduced price lidl stuff 
100 push ups yesterday and today. No stair runs today with my routine being put out by the gasman lol. Wont do me any harm to miss a day.
Just had the 2nd pack of beef meatballs, just as tasty as first lot.
Shinita
#118
I just wrote about day and was thinking too much again.
Today wasnât totally carnivore as it would make OMAD forceful and I donât care about 1-2g net carbs from plants now - but it was until the very end, itâs not a tiny thing from me in December⌠Even if itâs easy now.
Very proper day, 100g fat and 138g protein (13g carbs, 1.4g from plants) though I suddenly got hungry around 3:30 so I didnât wait until the sunset just almost Not like it matters, itâs just a fun thing like my numbers.
I am stuffed but it was easy to eat. Not as enjoyable as usual but I donât miss food joy yet and it was nice just a bit lean, a bit chewy (2.5 hours and my pork still was chewy⌠I wonder why. not bad, I am just used to a very high level tenderness especially from this cut. maybe itâs another part, somewhat, the whole hind leg minus the feet is a big part with various muscles, after all. and I donât know which part actually goes into the package)⌠Maybe the weather or other problems of mine had a factor too.
But it was fine and now I feel very, very full. I hope it passes, I dislike feeling full, I prefer perfect satiation. But it is promising, I probably wonât get hungry again today. My macros are right for it. Itâs good my body is pretty much predictable, obviously not totally but to a nice extent. And I planned a day (mostly because I had a decent amount of leftovers in a plate) and then I obviously changed it at a few places but it was still very helpful. And my body cooperated too.
I guess it will be easier later but I try to establish OMAD now and itâs not trivial or automatic, it never was. But non-OMAD pretty much proved that it canât work, usually while my OMAD days typically are way better. So I go for it now, obviously there will be non-OMAD days too.
Oh my lunch. No photo as I suddenly got hungry and didnât eat my prettiest pork anyway yet⌠I had some pork roast, a tiny bit of fried fish, some beef liver, a cheesy fluff, a small sausage with mustard, 0.75 boiled egg with mustard, quark and sour cream, some with pancake. And I wasnât in the mood not to follow my desires when I donât want most stuff so I had a pancake with a different filling too. Still very low-carb and thatâs what really matters, I am sure. I will try to remind myself in January that while I donât want carnivore (I wish to try it but I canât think I need it), per se as I want very low-carb net plant carbs (close but still oh so different as itâs simultaneously way easier - possible would be a better word, hopefully it will change - and more dangerous), it will be very useful to form better habits. And curiosity, anyway but that can wait. I need some motivation to help with tiny, not too annoying hardships. The mental part is pretty serious, I had times when I had baby hardships and didnât see the point therefore immediately stopped. If I know what I am doing and am determined (and the thing isnât some inherently hard thing to do), I can do WAY more and itâs not even particularly demanding.
I canât focus on everything now but I am not displeased with today.
If I just could quit coffee⌠I had eggy, buttery ones today.
415g/0.92 pound meat for today, just perfect for today.
653g/1.45 for yesterday unless I calculated wrong but I donât think so. I probably could eat a ton of fish as itâs not so very substantial⌠But I put most of it into the freezer, for emergency food. Way cheaper and better than tinned fish. Maybe more convenient too though more work, sure as I use hake fish with organs, spine, skin (the tin involves careful washing, storing, traveling with the tin to throw it out. metal is what we know goes to the right place, plastic is a mystery. and I often only want half a tin). But I make 3 cats happy And I donât need to do it often. Especially on OMAD, that helps with food boredom though the end of the meal may be trickier.
Alvaro brought 90 eggs, now we have 107 (106 after I ate one), wonderful. I am already in my egg sparing mood so it will last for long I suppose.
I will try to eat simpler but we have many things now and my OMAD is fresh so I just focus on itâŚ
Azi
(Linda )
#119
Are you sure publix sale is still not going? I went in today our sale is 5.99 lb so I bought a 4 bone roast for $50.00 they separated the bones and cut it down into 1 inch thick steaks got about 8 nice steaks they in the freezer I already have a couple whole roasts so Iâll have one of those for Christmas âŚ
Interesting there rib eye steaks were on-sale 9.99 lb but they always cut it down if you ask.
Naghite
(Michael)
#120
