This stuff is Fire ! :)

(Full Metal KETO AF) #7

@RobC so I read the article you posted, are you one of the total carb camp people? :cowboy_hat_face:

(Dirty Lazy Keto'er, Sucralose freak ;)) #8

Yea… So marinading in this mix, then pouring out the excess, is probably not too bad. But using 2 -4 tablespoons of each, in my breakfast with my 12oz Salmon fillet is probably not acceptable… Unless I skip veggies with my dinner that night ?

Honestly, I feel like I can stay in ketosis with probably 30gms of carbs a day… But I still try to stay below 20…

(Full Metal KETO AF) #9

That leaves you at least 15 carbs to play with at dinner time Chris. No need to skip vegetables. :cowboy_hat_face:

(Dirty Lazy Keto'er, Sucralose freak ;)) #10

Yea, I’m just bummed that more things just don’t use sucralose, and forgetaboutit…

Same thing with my stupid Icebreaker breath mints (sugar free, but they use sugar alcohols) … They are probably .49 carbs per mint. So if I eat 20 in a day, their goes half my daily carb allowance on stupid little breath mints ! Freaking sneaky @ss carbs ! Urggg…

(Dirty Lazy Keto'er, Sucralose freak ;)) #11

I can’t speak for Rob, but I have always been a bottom line kind of guy. I don’t care what it feels like, or how it seems… Give me something with 50 total carbs… but only 3 carbs net, and that sounds like it could be a good dinner to me :slight_smile:

(Robert C) #12

When it comes to non-real non-whole foods - yes.

Rebel Ice Cream wants you to believe that each vanilla pint is 6 net carbs - so 3 pints a day would leave you under 20 (net) grams of carbs. A person with a history of dieting and willing to bend numbers any way a marketer can make them believe could think that 3 meals a day of a pint of this ice cream and a Ribeye covered in butter is “Keto”.

But the label shows 10 grams of carbs per serving and 2 grams of fiber so the “count total carbs” number would be 40 grams per pint and then “count non-fiber grams of carbs” would get 32 grams per pint. To me, these numbers make much more sense and that eating a half cup would leave you some room to play with on other carbs and a cup is just about your 20 gram cap.

Eating 3 pints would, in my opinion, affect people in a way closer to having 100+ carbs.

Directly from the Rebel web site:

They simply state this contentious idea as fact.

The bottom line is that I am pretty sure they must - per FDA - list the carbs, fiber, non-fiber carbs but, the label on the front is not an FDA label so they can write “Net carbs” or “usable carbs” or “human carbs” or just about anything as “5” per pint. Ultimately I think this is intentionally misleading - but, who would suspect that of a marketer?

Keto Ice Cream - what's the catch?
(Dirty Lazy Keto'er, Sucralose freak ;)) #13

Hey Rob, all valid points.
Ya’ know, it’s weird. I’ve been a food hog all my life… Especially junk food. But since doing Keto now for 3 months, I really don’t find myself wanting to eat a whole bunch of keto treats in a sitting ? (very unlike me) but rather, I need to control myself when eating beef or chicken, especially since I’ve been SV’ing the best meat in my life ! :slightly_smiling_face: Now I’m craving dead cow :grinning: lol

Edit: In fact, case in point, my GF bought a pint of this ice cream over a week ago. I think I grabbed a couple of spoonfuls twice…

(Full Metal KETO AF) #14

Good points Rob, I don’t really consume pre made foods other than cured meats like Salami and stuff like mustard or hot sauce. I can see a sugar junky eating three of these daily like you said, people always look for shortcuts to lose weight or ways to continue feeding an addiction instead of dealing with it head on. Surely eating three pints per day would be an interesting experiment for someone already fat adapted to see if they gained some weight in a week. Especially someone who’s all into the testing and experimenting with the individual foods effect (not me). I’m sure I get more than I track sometimes but sorting out the difference between Processed and Whole Foods wouldn’t change much for me. :cowboy_hat_face:

('Jackie P') #15

It’s a weird one, but lakanto is monkfruit and is often mixed with erythritol. The first sweetener I ever tried when I started was this mix and I love it. Everything I read says that it is keto friendly as the sugar alcohols pass straight through and don’t raise insulin or blood sugar. And yet if I put erythritol into Cronometer it gives me a shocking carb count that I ignore!
I say the lakanto is ok.

('Jackie P') #16

Funnily enough I came across this (lakanto) today. I was looking for “keto and cancer” as I have a dear friend of 30yrs old who has lung cancer with brain secondaries (never smoked). She was diagnosed last year and responded well to treatment initially. I spoke to her about keto and she said she would look into it if her treatment ever failed her!
It has started to fail her, she has had a number of fits in the last week. I have been looking for an article or video, something gentle and not too scientific, and I found this. Even though the lady does promote Lakanto, it is a very good message

(Dirty Lazy Keto'er, Sucralose freak ;)) #17

Hmmmm. I’ve read that sugar alcohols still contain about 2/3rds as many carb cals as sugar.
Which kills me, as their are certain things (breath mints for one) that use sugar alcohols, and that bugs me every time I eat them.
I’d love to find out that they, in fact, pass right through you (like my beloved Sucralose :slightly_smiling_face:)
Anyone else want to weigh in on this ?

('Jackie P') #18
(Dirty Lazy Keto'er, Sucralose freak ;)) #19

Good informative video.

Also on that same page, was a very good article on sugar alcohols (not just erythritol) and wouldn’t you know it, my monts (Icebreakers) use the worst sugar alcohol available… Freaking maltitol :confused: Are you freaking kidding me ? That stuff is worthless ! Like 2/3rds the carb cals as actual sugar ? Totally lame that they can call it sugar free… When it has something nearly as bad…

What mints to start buying now ?

('Jackie P') #20

Chew on a mint leaf?:blush:

(Susan) #21

What about these? are they any better for you? I don’t use sweeteners; but when I was new to Keto, I looked up what was the best gum for Keto and Pur came up; and they make these mints too, so maybe?

(Dirty Lazy Keto'er, Sucralose freak ;)) #22

That’s funny… We actually have mint growing in the garden. I’ve chewed on a leaf or two and it was… Interesting :slightly_smiling_face:
But I don’t think a leaf or two would do it… And I think a handful would be waaay too much :smiley: lol
It’s probably that maltitol that makes the mints taste so good… I still don’t see why they don’t make them with Sucralose ? Those, and about 1000 other things for that matter !

Ya’ know, it’s funny, I’m getting to hate alcohol sugars, nearly as much as I do alcohol ! Maybe it’s in the name ?

Wait… It is the best thing to extract vanilla… And I do try to remind myself, it’s good for cleaning wounds :slightly_smiling_face:

(Dirty Lazy Keto'er, Sucralose freak ;)) #23

Well, I just looked up Xylitol, and honestly, it still has 3/4s as many carb cals as table sugar :slightly_frowning_face:
Again they need to use Sucralose FTW !

Also, I said I’d never have Xylitol in the house, with our 4 dogs… But then again, the only place I keep my mints, is in my car or truck…
So all the danger would be my own :slight_smile: …in the form of unwanted carbs.

(PSackmann) #24

Curious, how many breath mints do you go through in a day? I used to have a sugar-free gum habit that I’m still fighting, it just seemed to prolong the desire for sweet after meals. I’ve turned to chewing a bit of salt instead, gets rid of that feeling of wanting “something”.

(mole person) #25

When I had a keto breath issue the best thing for it was actually sucking on salt crystals. No mint or breath aid worked as well as that. My husband was a harsh critic and I had keto breath forever (it only finally stopped when I went keto-carnivore), and when I used the breath aids he’d tell me 15 minutes later the bad breath was back, but sucking on a few Himalayan salt crystals really killed it for hours.

('Jackie P') #26

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