The Carbohydrate-Insulin Model of Obesity

[akirby83]

hence fatty liver disease from too much alcohol or from too much sugar

There’s another probable cause - maxing out your acipocytes. Fat then gets stored anywhere the body can shove it, in and around the organs. This also jibes with the skinny fat phenotype since they have a low personal fat threshold. IMO in this case it’s less about carbs by themselves and more the carb+fat double whammy.

[akirby83]

My opinion is that obesity is caused by overeating a combination of starch/sugar along with fat

Bingo, this is the true obesigenic combo, particularly when the fat is seed oil and the carbs are refined. The CIH is a good start for most people but definitely limited. There is a bigger unifying theory that encompasses the carb+fat combo, nutrient density, industrial “foods”, and the personal fat threshold.

[nvmomketo]

Ted Naimen seems to disagree with the CIH in that when insulin is high from eating a fair bit of carbs, it’s not so much the carbs that is being stored as fat, but the dietary fat is being stored as fat. The potatoes with a big dollop of butter and sour cream will contribute to weight gain due to a caloric excess, and because the potato primed the body to store the butter and sour cream as fat.

I could be way off, but that is my understanding of Naimen’s thoughts.

[Alecmcq]

Remember that Keys’ own data in the Seven Country study showed a very strong correlation between sugar consumption and cardiovascular disease in all 22 countries that he studied (including Japan), but he decided that this correlation was irrelevant, and so he focused his report on only the 7 countries out of the 22 that appeared to support his hypothesis about fat and cardiovascular disease.

This annoys me every time I read it. This unscientific direction taken by Keys is the source of pain and early death amongst millions. I think ultimately (when we get these dietary guidelines finally sorted) history will view Keys extremely badly.

[kib]

I don’t think he decided it was irrelevant at all. He was in direct competition with John Yudkin, who was promoting a sugar-heart disease connection. I think he intentionally buried a very promising can of worms that supported his competitor’s hypothesis, and I have no problem with history burying him in blame.