Testing enhanced fat burn with raw whole ginger root

(Edith) #10

Why can’t one just swallow the raw ginger root?

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #11

@Nasir The breathalyzers used by police have a different sensor in them which either does not sense acetone or ignores it. It’s only the cheap ones that will work to detect acetone.

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #12

@VirginiaEdie Chewing starts the digestive process by mixing enzymes with the ginger. Chewing also macerates the ginger into a pulp enabling the nutrients/chemicals in the ginger to break down for easier digestion. There are a lot of different chemicals in ginger and I think this is the best and easiest way to make them as bio-available as possible, whereas just swallowing may not.

That said. If you want to cut it up into little pieces and just swallow it, go ahead. Track and document so you can share results. We don’t know until someone tries whether or not chewing makes a difference.

(Omar) #13

Ginger makes me sweat

Not sure what that is indication of.

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #14

@Alpha That is a common experience.

(Bunny) #15

What might make it work even better for fat burning (if true) is to use a cheese grader (the fine part) and shred it (raw ginger root) directly into some drinking water with a table spoon of apple cider vinegar ACV and it also makes for a nice digestive bitter?

Apple cider vinegar will force your body into increasing ketosis to burn more body fat through a metabolic pathway called PGC-1 alpha.

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”…PGC-1α coactivates PPAR-γ and other transcription factors, is expressed at much higher levels in brown adipocytes than in white adipocytes, and is induced in brown cells upon cold exposure in vivo, or by β-adrenergic stimulation in isolated cells20,21. When introduced into white fat cells in culture or in vivo, PGC-1α ‘switches on’ many of the key features of brown cells, including mitochondrial biogenesis and UCP-1 activity20. Cells ectopically expressing PGC-1α also have an increased fraction of uncoupled respiration, a key characteristic of brown fat. Although PGC-1α is clearly a key effector of the thermogenic programme of brown fat, cells lacking PGC-1α still show a morphology that is brown-fat-like, and still express certain molecular markers of brown fat22. Thus, it seems likely that other factors function upstream of PGC-1α to control the determination of brown fat cells. …” …More

Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV): If you put two 2x acetic acid molecules together (your own ketones + ACV) you get DIACETIC ACID or ACETOCETIC ACID or 1 of 3 ketone bodies!

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Ginger Extract Ameliorates Obesity and Inflammation via Regulating MicroRNA-21/132 Expression and AMPK Activation in White Adipose Tissue

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Notice the the reduction in the size of the white adipose tissue (WAT) cells and the swelling (inflammation) in the adipocytes before?

Need help with Apple cider vinegar
(Troy) #16

Interesting topic OP

Love Ginger!
I’m fact, I’m drinking my nightly ACV Drink right now!
And yes, it includes powdered ginger

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Although kinda looks like a urine sample on ice :flushed:

(Omar) #17

Any one noticed any differance between boild ginger and raw ginger?

Eventhough boiling damage some micro nutriants, I feel that boiled ginger is more effective.

(Tamela Robinette) #18

Fascinating! Going to buy some ginger TODAY!

(Hyperbole- best thing in the universe!) #19

I just bought some based on this topic myself… but I’ll be damned if I’m buying a breathalizer and follow this protocol. My tape measure will be metric enough for me and I ask the scientific community to excuse me from anything beyond n=1.

“My doctor says I have a malformed public duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fibre, and that I am therefore excused from saving universes.” ~Ford Prefect

(Tamela Robinette) #20

Yeah I’ve never obsessed over the science, so I don’t test or track ketones.

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #21

@Ruina @Robinette71 Have at it and have fun.

I just weighed in this morning at 141 pounds. :roll_eyes: So I’m a bit restricted/conflicted about continuing to test this on myself. I’m less than 14% body fat, so I don’t have much to play with. I’m convinced the only reason I have not lost more weight is I’ve avoided a calorie deficit most days, although not all.

So, it would really be advantageous if someone trying to lose serious weight became interested enough to test the proposal here. Of course, I’d like someone who will follow the protocol I’ve outlined so we have some real numbers to look at. BUT anyone who wants to try this on themselves just to see if they lose more weight faster is welcome to give it a go!

Anyone out there? :pleading_face:

(Hyperbole- best thing in the universe!) #22

I’m already “at” goal, with another 7 lb it wouldn’t hurt my feelings to lose. Also, I’m in the developing world so I could get a cheap breathalizer probably. Maybe. Anyway, I’m probably not your best test subject.

But maybe if you reviewed your instructions and made either the procedure or the instructions themselves simpler you might have more takers?

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #23

@Ruina Suggestions? I’m all for making things as easy as possible and convincing as many as possible to participate. However, my overall goal is to determine, in a quantifiable manner, the following:

  1. Does the effect exist
  2. If so, what is the magnitude of the effect over time
  3. Can we measure the effect reliably, best way of doing so

After the first goals are quantified, I envision testing further to determine what is the minimum amount of ginger required to induce the effect, whether the effect can be enhanced by the addition of other nutrients, eg apple cider vinegar as suggested by @atomicspacebunny, and/or other ways of ingestion, eg cooking as suggest by @Alpha, drinking as suggested by @Tmdlkwd, etc, are there any negative side effects. There may well be other related issues that arise during the testing and discussion that warrant their own testing.

(Bunny) #24

That study I cited on the ginger root extract looks pretty convincing to me, even if you have a lot of fat which may just be inflamed adipose tissue, it seems to shrink the adipose cells rather than oxidizing them so by adding the Apple Cider Vinegar ACV you are shrinking and oxidizing them in succession? Why not look good while you burn…lol

I have been doing the Apple Cider Vinegar ACV everyday other day since Dr. Berg suggested it in one of his videos in 2016 and an earlier video in 2015 where he is using cheese grader to shred the ginger root into glass of water with ACV and lemon juice. Here is a 2019 Video on the subject of ACV. Dr. Berg never says how much ACV you can drink, so I wrote him and he says “…it is ok to drink once every day…” lemon juice optional if you want to prevent kidney stones from oxalates.

I often wonder if we really burn fat (total oxidation and death of the fat cell) or if it is really an inflammation problem as suggested by Dr. Micheal Eades and Hyperlipid?

(Nasir) #25

In case people don’t know this already, ginger almost completely prevents delayed onset muscle soreness i.e. I don’t get muscle pain after heavy lifting if I drink ginger juice or eat it afterwards.

(Troy) #26

Yeah.
Another possible benefit, I get no muscle cramps at night. As mentioned, I agree with hot or sweats though
It happens
Or it could be the added cinnamon and turmeric :slightly_smiling_face:

@amwassil I’m more in the maintenance stage. But, enjoying all the info and science…thanks again

Side note
The gin gins candies are so good. Sampled one not too long ago…please don’t google the ingredients Keto police :policewoman:
Not to thread hijack, wanted to post, but there is a candied ginger recipe out there that uses swerve…yum!
I want to try making

(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #27

What are your thoughts on someone trying this with pickled ginger/sushi ginger for those who might not be able to tolerate raw ginger?

(Libby) #28

Also, what is the dosage of ginger juice for muscle soreness? A shot glass full (30 ml give or take)? Half of that? I have a kilo of young ginger in the freezer that I could run through the juicer maybe. I bet it would be a harsh experience straight up. I’d be torn between quaffing it straight or cutting it with something like applejack.

(Tamela Robinette) #29

I just “attempted” to chew on 10 grams of very thinly sliced ginger and wow. I made it through maybe 4 grams, 5 at most. I love pickled ginger and I bought some capsules today. Not sure I can stomach eating it raw.