Telling the difference between real and false hunger pangs?


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #1

I’m great with book learning, so I can figure out the percentages and stuff, but sit me down with my body and my feelings, and boy, am I lost!

I recently stopped eating sugar because I realized I was addicted to it, and now it’s looking as though I’m addicted to all carbs, period. It’s natural, when trying to get clean from a substance, to encounter cravings, and having been sober for quite a while, I know a repertoire of tricks for dealing with cravings, but what has me flummoxed is that I’m having trouble telling whether I’m really hungry or just craving carbs. I thought I felt hungry a few times today, but I ended up not eating until 7:00 p.m., so it couldn’t have been real hunger, could it?

It sounds really stupid to me that I have to ask the question, but nevertheless: what does real hunger feel like to you?


#2

I know I’m hungry when I feel achy like feelings in my stomach. My problem, is I can now go 20hrs without food, but once I eat, I’m actually watching the clock for the next meal. An old routine that I need to break!


(Khara) #3

I think it takes some time and practice to work on it. I heard somewhere once to ask whether you’re hungry enough to eat a hard boiled egg. If yes, then it’s real hunger, if no and you’re trying to pass over the egg looking for carbs, then it’s a carb craving. It kinda works for my brain. Good luck!


(Mike Glasbrener) #4

How long have you had your carbs really low (~20gr or less per day)? It takes between 4 weeks and a few months for your body to decide time burn fat for fuel in any significant quantity. In the mean time when you have hunger pangs eat something with saturated fat in it (no carbs). Over time your snack hunger pangs will go away then you’ll be much better at understanding what your body is saying.


(Sjur Gjøstein Karevoll) #5

There’s many different ways to feel hungry as you’ll discover when you change your eating habits. It’s a very mental thing though it does have several physical triggers and effects too, kind of like being horny. I don’t think any of them are fake but just being hungry doesn’t mean you have to eat.

One thing you’ll find is that being hungry is a learned behavior. When something good happens, like eating tasty food, the brain reinforces the thought patterns surrounding it (see Pavlov’s dogs) so that in the future you have greater chance of engaging in behavior leading to the same outcome. This is how addiction works, although I’m loath to call it such except in extreme circumstances since this is one of the major mechanisms of learning and brain function. Anyway, if you happen to trigger a neutral pattern that has been linked to other patterns that get you closer and closer to eating this would also trigger hunger since hunger and eating are closely associated.

If you crave something specific, like for example chocolate, then that is your learned behavior kicking in. The brain has learned that X + eating chocolate = feels good, so if X then encourage eating chocolate. X could be anything, for example it could be low blood sugar, stress, emotions, pretty much anything. One obvious association is that thinking about tasty food makes you crave that food, because when you’re eating for example chocolate you’re also thinking about it. Determining if you should give in to the craving or not is up to you and what you figure the craving is caused by.

This learned behavior also applies to more general hunger. If you associate watching TV with eating then watching TV will make you hungry. Used to having a snack when you come home from work? Coming home is going to make you hungry. Eating makes us feel good so the brain has learned to make us hungry when we engage neural patterns that have historically been proximal to eating.

The good thing about learned behavior is that it can be unlearned when it no longer serves a purpose.

There are also signals coming from the rest of the body that make you hungry. The body periodically sends out hunger hormones throughout the day to remind your brain that it should seek out food. Without this reminder it’s entirely possible we could go for a long time without eating because we were busy doing other things, and while it’s not exactly harmful to not eat several times every day for most animals (including humans), animals that don’t spend a lot of their time seeking food typically don’t live very long. It’s a built-in biological mechanism to periodically bump food to the top of the priority list to make sure we don’t starve.

Hunger hormones could also be released outside of their usual schedule for a variety of reasons, including because the brain said to.

The bottom line what I said in the first paragraph: I don’t think there’s any type of fake hunger but just because you’re hungry doesn’t mean you have to eat. Eating is of paramount importance to survival and so evolution has given us a robust system for ensuring we seek out food, but it has also given us humans in particular a large brain with the ability to override instinctual behavior when we determine that our instincts are counter-productive.


#6

Someone (maybe Phinney?) said that true hunger is you opening the fridge and eating some butter. If you decide you don’t want it then you are not hungry. I may have overly paraphrased that but you get the idea. Maybe it would help you to just adopt a routine for a while of 3 reasonable meals a day and not eat anything else? Eat what you should be eating and to your normal portion size. Do that for a couple of weeks and then reassess. That way you will know that any hunger pangs are not likely to be real hunger and maybe will help you identify the difference?

I am very familiar with emotional eating (and other things that numb pain). My recommendation is therapy - find someone you really get along with and work on healing the old traumas that these habits stem from. It is hard work but it is tackling the root cause.


(Ben) #7

Often thirst and hunger can feel the same.
So have a cup of tea or a drink of water and see if you’re still hungry afterwards.


(Doug) #8

Someday I may find out. For now, I’ve got 90 or 100 lbs. to lose before I think the real deal comes to town.

Strongest thing I’ve felt lately are the alcohol munchies. And perhaps there’s been the normal reaction that we think of as “hunger” when our blood sugar drops down a little.

Twice today, I cut off little morsels of butter to eat. So good… I wasn’t even hungry, but hey…

Not saying disregard what our bodies are telling us, but there’s hunger and then I think there’s hunger.


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #9

You guys are great. Thanks so much for the great insights and advice. I’m touched.

I was wondering about the possibility of a connection between hunger and thirst, so it’s good to have that confirmed. And I’m going to try to think about eating an egg (don’t really like hardboiled, so that will be a good test, lol!) or some butter.

And I can always put some of my learning from early sobriety to use and try postponing eating for a while when I feel the urge. It finally occurred to me (duh!) that a craving will go away, and real hunger won’t. And either way, I’m good!


(Carpe salata!) #10

My body signals used to be a real mess. I’m sure I often interpreted thirst as hunger. I think I even interpreted needing to pee as hunger. Boredom, anxiety, yep, all hunger.


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #11

Stress, too, I’m finding. In the old days it would have been the urge to drink, now it’s hunger pangs.

But everybody, thanks for all the suggestions. I thought I was hungry last night, but I couldn’t imagine eating butter or eggs. So I tried drinking some water, and what do you know?

The stress of finishing packing has been getting to me, and I started fantasizing about making a doughnut run. So guess who’s having steak for dinner? This way, I’ll be feeling a lot better in the morning, when the movers arrive.


(Liz ) #12

There’s a lot of great advice in this thread & it sounds like you’ve got some good things to try to find your true hunger signals. I also find eating a bit of pink Himalayan salt can hurry a hunger feeling right out the door & I know it works for others as well so maybe add that to your bag of tricks :smile:


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #13

I’m getting better at telling the difference, now, thanks to you folks. Thanks for taking the time to respond to my query. Your replies were insightful and very helpful.